NU Heliolisk

[roxie]

[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed and useful immunities to Water and Ghost, which let it take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie, and Shell Smash Blastoise and pivot into Choice-locked Ghost-types like Golurk and Decidueye. Heliolisk can also run multiple sets, like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord and Choice Scarf to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage from Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot also gives many ways to target checks like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and Decidueye. However, its poor defenses can leave it revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol, and other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed it if it does not run Choice Scarf. Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its ability to check Ground-types with STAB Leaf Storm and Levitate.

[SET]
name: All-out Attacker
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to Heliolisk's STAB options like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Alternatively, Grass Knot KOes Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and Golurk. Choice Specs helps Heliolisk take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi, giving it an easier time getting past defensive Pokemon like Goodra and Diancie, while Heavy-Duty Boots is an alternative for fewer prediction-reliant plays.

Heliolisk should be paired with Pokemon immune to Ground like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. Xatu and Talonflame can also form a VoltTurn core with it to bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Drapion and Braviary make great partners to check Grass-types like Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Celebi. Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, Garbodor, and Dragalge also wears down foes. Furthermore, the former three Pokemon check Dragon-type threats like Dragalge and Goodra for Heliolisk.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Grass Knot provides necessary coverage for Ground-types like Mudsdale, but Dark Pulse is useful if being walled by Decidueye and Dhelmise is undesirable.

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Pokemon that are immune to Ground like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu form a pivot core with Heliolisk and provide it with opportunities to come in safely. Dark-types like Guzzlord, Drapion, and Scrafty provide utility with Knock Off and check Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Garbodor, and Diancie also helps to wear down foes and give Heliolisk an easier time cleaning late-game.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Focus Blast can be used to hit Copperajah and Guzzlord, but this causes Heliolisk to be walled by Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch on its Choice Scarf set to not lose momentum against Ground-types while also slightly chipping Grass-types.

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of Surf and Grass Knot.

**Grass-types**: Celebi, Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Rotom-C resist Heliolisk's Electric-type STAB moves; additionally, the former three can recover on Heliolisk with Recover, Roost, and Synthesis.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

**Residual Damage**: Without Heavy-Duty Boots, Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by entry hazards, and it's vulnerable to Toxic poison from bulky Water-types like Mantine and Vaporeon.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee, 481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [Mariannabelle, 435989]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Rabia, 336073], [Finland, 517429]]

 

[roxie]

If this isn't done by tonight, I wont get to it till Monday, don't shelf tho (going out of town without comp sadly)

 

[S1nn0hC0nfirm3d]

roxiee 48 hours plz

 

[Finchinator]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed, Normal typing checking Ghost-types like Decidueye, and ability in Dry Skin, offering Water immunity to take on Pokemon like Vaporeon, Mantine, and Starmie.

I think you should change it to "common bulky Waters and Shell Smash Blastoise" rather than listing these Pokemon. Those are the two categories that fit in -- with Scald and Flip turn being soaked up by the former and Surf by the latter -- to the Dry Skin group anyway. With Blastoise being as hot of a topic as it is right now, I feel like it warrants mentioning it.

Rest of overview is fine. I feel like it mentions choice scarf a little too much, but emphasizing that it faces stiff competition is important enough in painting the right picture.

Regarding the Choice Specs set, you cannot ever sell me on being walled by Golurk entirely, which Normal+Electric+Fighting would do. I advise removing the backslsh of Focus Blast (and shifting it to set comments or OO).

Heliolisk should be paired with Ground immunities like Flygon, Talonflame, Rotom-C, and Xatu to switch into Ground-types like Flygon and Mudsdale. These Pokemon can also provide support in pivot, forming a Voltturn core and bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Wish passers like Sylveon and Vaporeon provides cleric support and helps its longevity. Defensive teammates like Assault Vest Copperajah and Guzzlord are appreciated to check special attackers like Starmie, Rotom-C, and Salazzle.

Add on to this that Heliolisk likes to be paired with hard hitting physical attackers which appreciate coming in on normal specially defensive switch-ins, imo. Rest is great!

I will be honest: I have yet to use Choice Scarf Heliolisk and I feel like my input on the set should not be the only reference point here, so make sure the second check stresses this. With this said, I think Volt Switch should be the only slash -- ditching it and running U-turn feels super flimsy and situational. Teams with Heliolisk should naturally come prepared for Grass and Ground types as is, especially if they are relying upon the weaker Choice Scarf variant.

The set comments are lacking a little overall. I would mention how hazard support is key here to improve damage output, which is not the same as choice specs. I would also note that you are going to want a more dedicated breaker for fat Waters like Vaporeon alongside this -- you do not do enough to dent it, especially with WishProtLefties being in the equation. You mention wallbreakers, which is a great start, but I think this deserves specific attention as Heliolisk teams tend to rely on Heliolisk for this specific duty, which the scarf variant cannot really do.

The rest seems mostly fine, but priority can be grouped with revenge killers in the C&C at least.

1/2 with this, but definitely have #2 give closer attention to the second set situation

 

[Rabia]

quziel can confirm that I have walled his scarf lisk with a vaporeon before

 

[roxie]

implemented, ig ill wait for shifts..seems like this analysis is abt to change a ton with the flygon mentions

 

[roxie]

Removed like 15 Flygon mentions

 

[Abejas]

QC

[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed, Normal typing checking Ghost-types like Decidueye, and ability in Dry Skin, offering Water immunity to take on common bulky Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, and Starmie and Shell Smash Blastoise. Heliolisk can also viable use multiple sets like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord or Choice Scarf to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage in Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot gives many ways to target threatening Ground-types like Mudsdale and Rhydon. However, its poor defenses can leave it being revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol. Other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed it without its Choice Scarf. Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its Leaf Storm STAB + Levitate checking Ground.

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to STAB like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Grass Knot KOs Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and the aforementioned Golurk. Focus Blast is an option to blast through specially defensive Pokemon like Guzzlord, Scrafty, and Copperajah. Choice Specs boosts the power of all of its attacks, helping take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi.

Heliolisk should be paired with Ground immunities like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine Rotom-C, and Xatu (I dont feel like running Rotom-C and Heliolisk on the same team makes a lot of sense but its your call, you also added Xatu twice oops!) to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. These Pokemon Xatu and Talonflame can also provide support in pivot, forming a Voltturn core and bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Furthermore, fast Pokemon like Talonflame, Choice Scarf Passimian, or Ninjask are used as speed control. Wish passers like Sylveon and Vaporeon provides cleric support and helps its longevity. Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, and Dragalge also wears down foes. Defensive teammates like Assault Vest Copperajah and Guzzlord checks powerful special attackers like Starmie, Rotom-C, and Salazzle. Add Garbodor since it can provide spikes support while checking most fighting types, its a pretty good teammate to specs sets.

Set Details
====


[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Grass Knot targets Ground-types like Golurk and Mudsdale. Dark Pulse notably hits Celebi and Ghost-types like Decidueye and Golurk. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch so momentum isn't lost against Ground-types while also inflicting Grass-types like Rotom-C and Celebi for small damage.

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Ground immunities like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. Pivoters in Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu gives Heliolisk opportunities to come in safely. Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Pokemon like Celebi, Toxicroak, or Growth Vileplume should be used alongside Heliolisk as more dedicated checks to defensive Water-types like Vaporeon and Araquanid. Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong and Diancie also wears down foes. Same as above, I would mention Garbodor especially here since scarf sets are really weak without proper support.

Set Details
====


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Alternatively, Focus Blast can be used to nail through Copperajah and Guzzlord. However, Heliolisk is then walled by Golurk entirely and relies on teammates to beat Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye.

Heavy-Duty Boots prevents Heliolisk from being worn down by entry hazards and choice-locked. Substitute allows Heliolisk to take advantage of passive Pokemon like Vaporeon and Mantine and spread paralysis with Glare. Parabolic Charge is also an option to give Heliolisk longevity.

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of its anti-Ground coverage moves like Surf and Grass Knot.

**Residual Damage**: Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by any entry hazard and status in burn and poison.

**Protect**: Pokemon like Vaporeon, Dragalge, and Sylveon can take advantage of it being choice-locked and scout its next move.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee,481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

Here are some checks I made looking over it. Consider it an AM check atm till the meta settles a bit, especially cause I havent used scarf heliolisk that much.

 

[roxie]

added this

 

[Mariannabelle]

Q/C wrapped up quite the discussion regarding set viability; thanks for your patience.
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[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed, Normal typing checking Ghost-types like Decidueye, [<- this is a two-way street, and Ghost-types like Palossand and Decidueye threaten Heliolisk more than vice versa in practice; I wouldn't call Heliolisk a stellar Ghost check for this reason] and ability in Dry Skin, offering Water immunity to take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie and Shell Smash Blastoise. Heliolisk can also viable use multiple sets like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord or Choice Scarf to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage in Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot gives many ways to target threatening Ground-types like Mudsdale and Rhydon. However, its poor defenses can leave it being revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol. Other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed it without its Choice Scarf. Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its Leaf Storm STAB + Levitate checking Ground.

[SET]
name: Wallbreaker
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to its STAB options like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Grass Knot KOs Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and the aforementioned Golurk. Focus Blast is an option to blast through specially defensive Pokemon like Guzzlord, Scrafty, and Copperajah. [<- Is this left here on purpose? It's also mentioned in Other Options.] Choice Specs boosts the power of all of its attacks, helping take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi. [ADD a point here addressing Boots, i.e. that it leaves you less vulnerable to Ground-types and Ghost-types that punish you for locking into Heliolisk's STAB options, with the loss in power as the trade-off. Also makes Heliolisk much less vulnerable to scouting by the likes of Vaporeon.

Heliolisk should be paired with Ground immunities like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. Xatu and Talonflame can also provide support in pivot, forming a Voltturn core and bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Furthermore, fast Pokemon like Talonflame, Choice Scarf Passimian, or Ninjask are used as speed control. Fighting resists like Garbodor, Sylveon, and Xatu are appreciated to check Fighting-types like Sirfetch'd and Toxicroak. [ADD a mention of things like Drapion or Braviary, which make good partners to switch/pivot to when Decidueye/Dhelmise get in on Heliolisk.] [Additionally, ADD a mention of Pokemon that make good partners to pivot to when faced with the likes of Goodra and Dragalge] Wish passers like Sylveon and Vaporeon provides cleric support and helps its longevity. [<- This one is kind of a generic statement, and Heliolisk shouldn't be taking multiple hits a match that need to be healed off, like Copperajah or Bronzong do.] Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, Garbodor, and Dragalge also wears down foes. [<- I'd clarify that this is especially important when Heliolisk forgoes Specs] Defensive teammates like Assault Vest Copperajah and Guzzlord checks powerful special attackers like Starmie, Rotom-C, and Salazzle.

Set Details
====


[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Grass Knot targets Ground-types like Golurk and Mudsdale. Dark Pulse notably hits Celebi and Ghost-types like Decidueye and Golurk. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch so momentum isn't lost against Ground-types while also inflicting Grass-types like Rotom-C and Celebi for small damage. [<- Move this to Other Options]

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Ground immunities like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. [ADD something about Guzzlord and Drapion- not only do they really help in the Decidueye/Dhelmise matchup, but also their Knock Off support can make a late-game cleaning much easier for Heliolisk. Golurk and Palossand are also critical issues that Heliolisk needs to account for, so ADD mentions of Pokemon that help in such a matchup. What shared checks does Heliolisk have with Dragon-types? Drawing them in and wearing them down also enables a late-game sweep by Heliolisk.} Pivoters in Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu gives Heliolisk opportunities to come in safely. [<- Kinda generic; consider saying something about how you can form Voltturn cores with them.] Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Pokemon like Celebi, Toxicroak, or Growth Vileplume should be used alongside Heliolisk as more dedicated checks to defensive Water-types like Vaporeon and Araquanid. Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Garbodor, and Diancie also wears down foes.

Set Details
====


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Alternatively, Focus Blast can be used to nail through Copperajah and Guzzlord. However, Heliolisk is then walled by Golurk entirely and relies on teammates to beat Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye.

Heavy-Duty Boots prevents Heliolisk from being worn down by entry hazards and choice-locked. [<- Remove from Other Options] Substitute allows Heliolisk to take advantage of passive Pokemon like Vaporeon and Mantine and spread paralysis with Glare. Parabolic Charge is also an option to give Heliolisk longevity.

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of its anti-Ground coverage moves like Surf and Grass Knot.

**Residual Damage**: Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by any entry hazard and status in burn and poison.

**Protect**: Pokemon like Vaporeon, Dragalge, and Sylveon can take advantage of it being choice-locked and scout its next move.
[You can probably remove Residual Damage and Protect from the list- they're not specific to Heliolisk, and Boots should be slashed now.] [ADD your **Grass-types**, like Celebi, Decidueye, and Dhelmise, but that they should be wary of Dark Pulse.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee,481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]sername2, userid2]]

go ahead Q/C 2/2 when this is done

 

[roxie]

- I feel like Specs/HDB teammates are going to use hazard partners regardless
- I changed Wallbreaker -> AOA instead because HDB is not a wallbreaker set

rdy for gp

 

[Lunaflare]

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Heliolisk

[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed, ability in Dry Skin, offering Water immunity a Water immunity thanks to Dry Skin, which allows it to take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie, and Shell Smash Blastoise, and Normal typing providing immunity to Ghost,. an immunity to Ghost. Heliolisk can also viable use run multiple sets like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord or a Choice Scarf set to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage in Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot gives many ways to target threatening Ground-types like Mudsdale and Rhydon. However, its poor defenses can leave it being revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol. Other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed it without its Choice Scarf. Heliolisk if it does not run a Choice Scarf set, Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its Leaf Storm STAB + Levitate checking Ground. ability to check Ground-types with STAB Leaf Storm and Levitate.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to its STAB options like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Grass Knot KOes Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and the aforementioned Golurk. Choice Specs boosts the power of all of its attacks, helping helps Heliolisk take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi, (AC) . Choice Specs helps Heliolisk get allowing it to have an easier time getting past defensive Pokemon like Goodra and Diancie, (AC) easier while Heavy-Duty Boots is an alternative for fewer prediction-reliant plays.

Heliolisk should be paired with Ground immunities Pokemon immune to Ground like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. Xatu and Talonflame can also provide support in pivot, forming a Voltturn core and bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. form a VoltTurn core with Heliolisk in order to bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Furthermore, fast Pokemon like Talonflame, Choice Scarf Passimian, or and Ninjask are used as provide speed control. Fighting resists Pokemon that resist Fighting like Garbodor, Sylveon, and Xatu are appreciated to check Fighting-types like Sirfetch'd and Toxicroak. Drapion and Braviary make great partners to check Grass-types like Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Celebi. Hazard Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, Garbodor, and Dragalge also wears wear down foes. Furthermore, the former three Pokemon checks check Dragon-type threats like Dragalge and Goodra for Heliolisk. Defensive teammates like Assault Vest Copperajah and Guzzlord checks check powerful special attackers like Starmie, Rotom-C, and Salazzle.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Grass Knot targets Ground-types like Golurk and Mudsdale. Dark Pulse notably hits Celebi and Ghost-types like Decidueye and Golurk. this was already mentioned in the previous set, so I chose to cut it out.

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Ground immunities Pokemon that are immune to Ground, (AC) like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. Pivoters in Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu forms form a pivot core and gives provides Heliolisk with opportunities to come in safely. Dark-types like Guzzlord, Drapion, and Scrafty makes progress with Knock Off and checks Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. provide utility with Knock Off and check Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Pokemon like Celebi, Toxicroak, or Growth Vileplume should be used alongside Heliolisk as more dedicated checks to defensive Water-types like Vaporeon and Araquanid. Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Garbodor, and Diancie also wears helps to wear down foes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Alternatively, Focus Blast can be used to nail through hit Copperajah and Guzzlord, (AC) . However, Heliolisk is then but this allows Heliolisk to be walled by Golurk entirely and relies on teammates to beat Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch on its Choice Scarf set so momentum isn't lost against Ground-types while also inflicting Grass-types like Rotom-C and Celebi for small damage. slightly chipping Grass-types. Substitute allows Heliolisk to take advantage of passive Pokemon like Vaporeon and Mantine and spread paralysis with Glare. Parabolic Charge is also an option to give Heliolisk longevity.

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of its anti-Ground coverage moves like Surf and Grass Knot.

**Residual Damage**: Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by any entry hazard and statuses like in burn and poison.

**Grass-types**: Celebi, Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Rotom-C resist its Heliolisk's Electric-type STAB moves; (ASC) and additionally, the former 3 can recover on Heliolisk with Recover, Roost, and Synthesis, respectively.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee,481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [Mariannabelle, 435989]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

 

[roxie]

amcheck add remove (comment) (AC) = add comma (ASC) = add semicolon

Heliolisk

[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed, ability in Dry Skin, offering Water immunity a Water immunity thanks to Dry Skin, which allows it to take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie, and Shell Smash Blastoise, and Normal typing providing immunity to Ghost,. an immunity to Ghost. Heliolisk can also viable use run multiple sets like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord or a Choice Scarf set to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage in Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot gives many ways to target threatening Ground-types like Mudsdale and Rhydon. However, its poor defenses can leave it being revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol. Other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed it without its Choice Scarf. Heliolisk if it does not run a Choice Scarf set, Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its Leaf Storm STAB + Levitate checking Ground. ability to check Ground-types with STAB Leaf Storm and Levitate.

[SET]
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to its STAB options like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Grass Knot KOes Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and the aforementioned Golurk. Choice Specs boosts the power of all of its attacks, helping helps Heliolisk take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi, (AC) . Choice Specs helps Heliolisk get allowing it to have an easier time getting past defensive Pokemon like Goodra and Diancie, (AC) easier while Heavy-Duty Boots is an alternative for fewer prediction-reliant plays.

Heliolisk should be paired with Ground immunities Pokemon immune to Ground like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. Xatu and Talonflame can also provide support in pivot, forming a Voltturn core and bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. form a VoltTurn core with Heliolisk in order to bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Furthermore, fast Pokemon like Talonflame, Choice Scarf Passimian, or and Ninjask are used as provide speed control. Fighting resists Pokemon that resist Fighting like Garbodor, Sylveon, and Xatu are appreciated to check Fighting-types like Sirfetch'd and Toxicroak. Drapion and Braviary make great partners to check Grass-types like Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Celebi. Hazard Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, Garbodor, and Dragalge also wears wear down foes. Furthermore, the former three Pokemon checks check Dragon-type threats like Dragalge and Goodra for Heliolisk. Defensive teammates like Assault Vest Copperajah and Guzzlord checks check powerful special attackers like Starmie, Rotom-C, and Salazzle.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Grass Knot targets Ground-types like Golurk and Mudsdale. Dark Pulse notably hits Celebi and Ghost-types like Decidueye and Golurk. this was already mentioned in the previous set, so I chose to cut it out.

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Ground immunities Pokemon that are immune to Ground, (AC) like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. Pivoters in Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu forms form a pivot core and gives provides Heliolisk with opportunities to come in safely. Dark-types like Guzzlord, Drapion, and Scrafty makes progress with Knock Off and checks Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. provide utility with Knock Off and check Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Pokemon like Celebi, Toxicroak, or Growth Vileplume should be used alongside Heliolisk as more dedicated checks to defensive Water-types like Vaporeon and Araquanid. Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Garbodor, and Diancie also wears helps to wear down foes.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Alternatively, Focus Blast can be used to nail through hit Copperajah and Guzzlord, (AC) . However, Heliolisk is then but this allows Heliolisk to be walled by Golurk entirely and relies on teammates to beat Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch on its Choice Scarf set so momentum isn't lost against Ground-types while also inflicting Grass-types like Rotom-C and Celebi for small damage. slightly chipping Grass-types. Substitute allows Heliolisk to take advantage of passive Pokemon like Vaporeon and Mantine and spread paralysis with Glare. Parabolic Charge is also an option to give Heliolisk longevity.

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of its anti-Ground coverage moves like Surf and Grass Knot.

**Residual Damage**: Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by any entry hazard and statuses like in burn and poison.

**Grass-types**: Celebi, Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Rotom-C resist its Heliolisk's Electric-type STAB moves; (ASC) and additionally, the former 3 can recover on Heliolisk with Recover, Roost, and Synthesis, respectively.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee,481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [Mariannabelle, 435989]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

implemented thanks!
- Focus Blast can be used to hit Copperajah and Guzzlord, but this causes Heliolisk to be walled by Golurk entirely and relies on teammates to beat Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye.

I changed allow to cause xd

 

[Rabia]

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[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed, a Water immunity thanks to Dry Skin, which allows it to take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie, and Shell Smash Blastoise, and an immunity to Ghost and useful immunities to Water and Ghost, letting it take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie, and Shell Smash Blastoise and pivot into Choice-locked Ghost-types like Golurk and Decidueye. Heliolisk can also run multiple sets like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord or a and Choice Scarf set to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage in Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot also gives many ways to target threatening Ground-types checks like Mudsdale and Rhydon Mudsdale, Rhydon, and Decidueye. However, its poor defenses can leave it being revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol,(period -> comma) and other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed Heliolisk it if it does not run a Choice Scarf.(AP) set, Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its ability to check Ground-types with STAB Leaf Storm and Levitate.

[SET]
name: All-out Attacker
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to its STAB options like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Alternatively, Grass Knot KOes Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and the aforementioned Golurk. Choice Specs helps Heliolisk take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi, allowing it to have an easier time getting past defensive Pokemon like Goodra and Diancie, while Heavy-Duty Boots is an alternative for fewer prediction-reliant plays.

Heliolisk should be paired with Pokemon immune to Ground like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. Xatu and Talonflame can also form a VoltTurn core with Heliolisk in order it to bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Furthermore, fast Pokemon like Talonflame, Choice Scarf Passimian, and Ninjask provide speed control.(Wrong use of the term "speed control," and I'm generally unsure how this point relates to Heliolisk in specific as opposed to a team as a whole.) Pokemon that resist Fighting like Garbodor, Sylveon, and Xatu are appreciated to check Fighting-types like Sirfetch'd and Toxicroak.(Is Heliolisk threatened by their Fighting-type moves? It's faster and does a trillion with its STAB attacks.) Drapion and Braviary make great partners to check Grass-types like Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Celebi. Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, Garbodor, and Dragalge also wears down foes. Furthermore, the former three Pokemon check Dragon-type threats like Dragalge and Goodra for Heliolisk. Defensive teammates like Assault Vest Copperajah and Guzzlord check powerful special attackers like Starmie, Rotom-C, and Salazzle.(Not overly important, so I think it's fine to leave out.)

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Grass Knot provides necessary coverage for Ground-types like Mudsdale, but Dark Pulse is useful if being walled by Decidueye and Dhelmise is undesirable.

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Pokemon that are immune to Ground (RC) like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu form a pivot core and provides Heliolisk with opportunities to come in safely. Dark-types like Guzzlord, Drapion, and Scrafty provide utility with Knock Off and check Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Pokemon like Celebi, Toxicroak, or and Growth Vileplume should be used alongside Heliolisk as more dedicated checks to defensive Water-types like Vaporeon and Araquanid.(These are very weird mentions because Heliolisk matches well into Vaporeon and Araquanid isn't a very common Pokemon.) Hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Garbodor, and Diancie also helps to wear down foes and give Heliolisk an easier time cleaning late-game.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Focus Blast can be used to hit Copperajah and Guzzlord, but this causes Heliolisk to be walled by Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye entirely and relies on teammates to beat Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch on its Choice Scarf set so momentum isn't lost against Ground-types while also slightly chipping Grass-types. Substitute allows Heliolisk to take advantage of passive Pokemon like Vaporeon and Mantine and spread paralysis with Glare. Parabolic Charge is also an option to give Heliolisk longevity.(These both sound really bad. Unless you've seen them used in meaningful games, I don't think they're worth suggesting in an analysis.)

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of Surf and Grass Knot.

**Residual Damage**: Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by any entry hazard and statuses like burn and poison.

**Grass-types**: Celebi, Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Rotom-C resist Heliolisk's Electric-type STAB moves; additionally, the former 3 three can recover on Heliolisk with Recover, Roost, and Synthesis, respectively.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

**Residual Damage**: Without Heavy-Duty Boots, Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by entry hazards, and it's vulnerable to Toxic poison from bulky Water-types like Mantine and Vaporeon.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee, 481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [Mariannabelle, 435989]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

There's an awful lot of mentions of Surf in this analysis despite it not being on either set or in the other options section. Fix that.

GP 1/2 when done.

 

[Adeleine]

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[OVERVIEW]

Heliolisk is a prominent special attacker because of its great Special Attack and Speed and useful immunities to Water and Ghost, letting which let it take on common Water-types like Vaporeon, Mantine, Starmie, and Shell Smash Blastoise and pivot into Choice-locked Ghost-types like Golurk and Decidueye. Heliolisk can also run multiple sets, (AC) like Choice Specs to break through Electric-resistant Pokemon like Celebi and Guzzlord and Choice Scarf to outspeed Salazzle, +2 Modest Blastoise, and Choice Scarf Passimian. Its coverage in from Hyper Voice, Surf, and Grass Knot also gives many ways to target checks like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and Decidueye. However, its poor defenses can leave it being revenge killed by physical attackers and priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol, and other fast Pokemon like Choice Scarf Rotom-C, Tauros, and Salazzle can outspeed it if it does not run Choice Scarf. Furthermore, Heliolisk faces competition with Rotom-C as an Electric-type because of its ability to check Ground-types with STAB Leaf Storm and Levitate.

[SET]
name: All-out Attacker
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Dark Pulse / Grass Knot
item: Choice Specs / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Dark Pulse hits Celebi and Ghost-types that are resistant or immune to its Heliolisk's STAB options like Decidueye, Golurk, and Dhelmise. Alternatively, Grass Knot KOes Ground-types like Mudsdale, Rhydon, and Golurk. Choice Specs helps Heliolisk take on Electric-resistant Pokemon like Dragalge and Celebi, allowing it to have giving it an easier time getting past defensive Pokemon like Goodra and Diancie, while Heavy-Duty Boots is an alternative for fewer prediction-reliant plays.

Heliolisk should be paired with Pokemon immune to Ground like Xatu, Talonflame, and Mantine to switch into Ground-types like Mudsdale. Xatu and Talonflame can also form a VoltTurn core with it to bring it in safely due to its poor defenses. Drapion and Braviary make great partners to check Grass-types like Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Celebi. Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Copperajah, Diancie, Garbodor, and Dragalge also wears down foes. Furthermore, the former three Pokemon check Dragon-type threats like Dragalge and Goodra for Heliolisk.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hyper Voice
move 3: Grass Knot / Dark Pulse
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====

Grass Knot provides necessary coverage for Ground-types like Mudsdale, but Dark Pulse is useful if being walled by Decidueye and Dhelmise is undesirable.

Choice Scarf Heliolisk is usually used on teams that need extra support against offensive Water-types like Shell Smash Blastoise and Life Orb Starmie. Pokemon that are immune to Ground like Levitate Bronzong and Xatu are appreciated to check Pokemon like Mudsdale and Rhydon. Dragalge, Talonflame, and Xatu form a pivot core and provides Heliolisk with Heliolisk and provide it with opportunities to come in safely. Dark-types like Guzzlord, Drapion, and Scrafty provide utility with Knock Off and check Grass-types like Decidueye and Dhelmise. Powerful physical attackers like Sirfetch'd, Golurk, and Glastrier make great teammates to take care of specially defensive Pokemon like Copperajah and Dragalge. Entry hazard support from the likes of Bronzong, Garbodor, and Diancie also helps to wear down foes and give Heliolisk an easier time cleaning late-game.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

Focus Blast can be used to hit Copperajah and Guzzlord, but this causes Heliolisk to be walled by Golurk, Dhelmise, and Decidueye. U-turn is an alternative over Volt Switch on its Choice Scarf set so momentum isn't lost to not lose momentum against Ground-types while also slightly chipping Grass-types.

Checks and Counters
====

**Ground-types**: Ground-types like Golurk, Rhydon, and Mudsdale can OHKO Heliolisk with Earthquake. However, Golurk and Mudsdale have to be wary of Surf and Grass Knot.

**Grass-types**: Celebi, Decidueye, Dhelmise, and Rotom-C resist Heliolisk's Electric-type STAB moves; additionally, the former three can recover on Heliolisk with Recover, Roost, and Synthesis.

**Dragon-types**: Dragon-types like Dragalge, Guzzlord, and Goodra are extremely bulky, letting them tank Heliolisk's attacks.

**Revenge Killers**: Faster Pokemon like Choice Scarf Passimian, Tauros, and Starmie can outspeed and revenge kill Choice Specs Heliolisk. Priority users like Sirfetch'd, Toxicroak, and Absol can also revenge kill Heliolisk after chip damage.

**Residual Damage**: Without Heavy-Duty Boots, Heliolisk is worn down tremendously by entry hazards, and it's vulnerable to Toxic poison from bulky Water-types like Mantine and Vaporeon.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[roxiee, 481576]]
- Quality checked by: [[Finchinator, 114198], [Mariannabelle, 435989]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Rabia, 336073], [Finland, 517429]]

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