Research How many Pokemon are obtainable in each title?

Cobalt Empoleon said:
Minor question about this line: are you excluding Milotic from the Gen 5 count because it evolves by trade now? Because you can fish it up in rippling water on Route 1 (it's actually the first Pokemon I encountered with the Super Rod in White lol).

I might just be misinterpreting you though! Disregard if so
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Uhhhh... very good question!

I can't remember - this was so long ago I'd have to do a recount. That certainly sounds like I'd overlooked it also being catchable in the wild, but I'm genuinely unsure.

I'm currently in the process of compiling a document that will log every available Pokemon in each game, and will have a definitive number for each, taking into account factors such as evolution stone shortages. Be a while before I'm done with it though.
 
LGPE are actually pretty trivial because of the Dexit. If regional forms don't count, then each game has 135 of 153 Pokemon available. If they do, then each game has 149 of 171 available. Mew, Meltan, and Melmetal are only available with outside help and each game has 11 version exclusives, 15 if you count regional forms.

EDIT: Also missing are the four trade evos, whoops. However, all the mons that were either/or in the originals are obtainable in other ways in LGPE (the fossils are in Cerulean Cave and the Hitmons and original starters, plus the new ones are in the wild).
 
Kurona said:
Really interesting stuff! Are you planning to do one for ScarVi and LGPE, or does that sound just a bit too exhausting? I guess technically ScarVi aren't 'over' yet, mind
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I've not (yet) played ScVi - considering it when the DLC drops - so I wouldn't be the best person for that.

Planning to come back to this down the line though so if I do I will, but atm other things are taking priority.

Ravenson said:
LGPE are actually pretty trivial because of the Dexit. If regional forms don't count, then each game has 135 of 153 Pokemon available. If they do, then each game has 149 of 171 available. Mew, Meltan, and Melmetal are only available with outside help and each game has 11 version exclusives, 15 if you count regional forms.

EDIT: Also missing are the four trade evos, whoops. However, all the mons that were either/or in the originals are obtainable in other ways in LGPE (the fossils are in Cerulean Cave and the Hitmons and original starters, plus the new ones are in the wild).
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This is fab, thanks!
 
Just seeing this for the first time a thought has come to my head.
You mention how you can only obtain one of either Eleki or Drago in the Crown Tundra, but you need both in order to obtain Regigigas. Not sure if you originally included that, and I figured I'd mention it so it wasn't something to forget if/when you come back to this.
 
pieman83 said:
Just seeing this for the first time a thought has come to my head.
You mention how you can only obtain one of either Eleki or Drago in the Crown Tundra, but you need both in order to obtain Regigigas. Not sure if you originally included that, and I figured I'd mention it so it wasn't something to forget if/when you come back to this.
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Another good spot! I'll make a note for the spreadsheet I'm working on. Not near Gen VIII yet but that's a good point to keep in mind.
 
SV would also wind up being fairly easy thanks to Raids & Dexit. You can get Slowking, Scizor & Palafin through raids (in fact, I have several of them)

If we don't count the Foreign pokemon at all, and assuming you're doing nothing else, it's 372/400 (400-the 6 other starters - the 22 version exclusives)

After that things get kind of iffy since there's various Pokemon we've been able to get via the online 7* Raids, plus Iron Leaves/Walking Wake. Like they're available to everyone if you have online, and they're not something that necessarily requires playing with other people (aside from the VE Paradox, if yo uhave the raid data they will show up until you connect again after they leave), but if you're connecting online anyway well I mean you could also grab the other VEs (except for the box legends) out of the Raid Board without enough luck or patience. And also all the raids are time limited. But also each month is adding more Pokemon to the pile and Home's still not out and yadda yadda yadda.
It'd be 374 (SV offers access to Quagsire & Perrserker in the base game) out of [whatever at 4/25 +X where x is anything in the future]
 
I loved this thread and i am very happy to discover it, since i'm on a mission of completing every pokedex for each gen as much as possible. I only have 1 game of each GEN, so this helps a lot.

Now i would like to point out something rather funny and something a lot of people might find "illegal", but in pokemon crystal (and i think gold and silver too, but i'm not 100% sure), you can in fact get all the starters and then breed them if you are going for a living dex. All you have to do is use a bug in the game that allows you to essentially dupe pokemon. In the case of starters, you can save before you get your starter, you get your starter, play until you can access storage, deposit the pokemon and then instantly switch boxes. If you reset the game at the right time, the pokemon will stay in the storage and you will be put back to the point where you saved, which was before you chose your starter. Do this 2 times and you have all the starters.

I've just finished my crystal living dex (well as much as i could ofc.) and i ended on 213 pokemon. Took me 100 hours of playtime.

Literally just finished like 10 minutes ago so i'm quite excited writing here
 
The_arrow said:
I loved this thread and i am very happy to discover it, since i'm on a mission of completing every pokedex for each gen as much as possible. I only have 1 game of each GEN, so this helps a lot.

Now i would like to point out something rather funny and something a lot of people might find "illegal", but in pokemon crystal (and i think gold and silver too, but i'm not 100% sure), you can in fact get all the starters and then breed them if you are going for a living dex. All you have to do is use a bug in the game that allows you to essentially dupe pokemon. In the case of starters, you can save before you get your starter, you get your starter, play until you can access storage, deposit the pokemon and then instantly switch boxes. If you reset the game at the right time, the pokemon will stay in the storage and you will be put back to the point where you saved, which was before you chose your starter. Do this 2 times and you have all the starters.

I've just finished my crystal living dex (well as much as i could ofc.) and i ended on 213 pokemon. Took me 100 hours of playtime.

Literally just finished like 10 minutes ago so i'm quite excited writing here
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Always wanted to try this glitch for myself, but never have.

In the same vein, there's a relatively easy arbitrary code execution one can do in GS (presumably Crystal too) that allows one to receive any Pokemon from the Bug-Catching Contest. I set this up on my VC Silver title as a way of getting Celebi, though Poketransporter blocked it from transferring until Crystal was released.

(Congrats on finishing your dex btw)

I keep meaning to properly come back to this thread at some point and write things up in more accurate detail.
 
Had a bit of time yesterday so I finally put some of this data into a Google sheet - it's here for anyone interested.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SCWDi0YJ7To97NBPI3JttPxyI6Fei8UEASHnpaWgoxY/edit?usp=sharing

Presently I've only gotten as far as Gen V but I'd like to continue and add all the games in the series as well as Colosseum and XD (and possibly even Ranch for fun?). edit: Gamecube titles are now added I'd welcome any help and contributions on this (Altissimo, this might be of interest to you) so if anyone wants to contribute to it let me know.
 
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Came back to this thread after a month and i'm happy to see improvements !
After completing the Crystal pokedex, I've decided to continue the trend and get the whole pokemon HOME dex. Next stop was generation 3 of which I have pokemon Emerald. As of writing this post, if you are not opposed to breaking the game and bringing it to its absolute limit you can get quite a lot of other pokemon normally not available in this specific game. You can get all the events + starter pokemon and much more. I'm currently finishing the game with trying to obtain all the gold badges in the battle frontier and i just want to share this knowledge with everyone reading this thread.

If you were even mildly interested in what i wrote above, you should check guides of people like "Papa Jefe" and "I'm a blisy". These two are a blessing in disguise. And i know whats on your mind right now; "But doesn't this make the Pokemon "illegal"?" And the answer is a big fat NO. If you do everything according to the guides the pokemon are completely legit and you can transfer them up all the way to Scarlet and Violet. The pokemon obtained this way were also used in the world championship. (Just make sure not to fiddle around with the stats of the naturally generated pokemon and make sure not to teach the pokemon any moves they can't learn naturally).

Good luck on your projects and keep up the good work ! The spreadsheets help a load.
I'll come back here once I start playing GEN 4 :p
 
This isn't related 100% to the topic, but…

In gen3, if you have all of Ruby, Emerald, FireRed, Colosseum, and XD; you'd still be unable to complete the national dex.

That's because the Slowpoke line is completely exclusive to LeafGreen.

If you replace FireRed with LeafGreen, then this wouldn't be a problem and you could have a national dex in gen3 excluding mythicals. But for those of us who chose FireRed over LeafGreen…
 
Death Phenomeno said:
This isn't related 100% to the topic, but…

In gen3, if you have all of Ruby, Emerald, FireRed, Colosseum, and XD; you'd still be unable to complete the national dex.

That's because the Slowpoke line is completely exclusive to LeafGreen.

If you replace FireRed with LeafGreen, then this wouldn't be a problem and you could have a national dex in gen3 excluding mythicals. But for those of us who chose FireRed over LeafGreen…
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Yes, the Slowpoke line's rarity in Gen 3 is weird.

Colosseum was released pre-FRLG and deliberately prevented access to any Gen I species, which is why Espeon, Umbreon, and the bonus-exclusive Scizor were all locked to male as Ditto was not yet available and thus couldn't be used to breed them. Hitmontop is naturally male-only, and if Miltank were able to breed Tauros eggs (akin to the situation with Volbeat and Illumise) it likely would not have been made available.

So there was no reason Slowking couldn't have been a snaggable species in Colosseum as long as they'd locked its gender to male, but even ignoring that, XD goes out of its way to give you nearly all the version-exclusive Pokemon Colosseum doesn't; in fact, of all the version-exclusive mons in Gen III - legendaries and Slowpoke aside - only Oddish, Marill, Lotad, and Seviper are missing from both Gamecube titles. The former two are available in all three Hoenn games but the latter two are an odd omission especially considering that their counterparts Seedot and Zangoose were included.

But Slowpoke's absence from XD is really curious, since that game also gives you several hard-to-get Kanto species like Chansey, Tauros, and Kangaskhan. And as you say, no other Pokemon is in this situation.
 
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Altissimo said:
I wanted to hear it as well because I thought my calculations turned out to be wrong, but actually 170 and 171 are the numbers I came up with before and you never updated the original post.
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I've been busy with a bunch of other stuff so never really got round to it. At some point I'll probably find the time to go back to this and correct any outstanding errors.
 
I approached this question from a different angle: How many EVOLUTIONARY LINES were released in each generations.

Gen 1: 70, plus 1 event pokemon which is unobtainable normaly, so kinda doesn't exist.

Gen 2: 40 +1

Gen 3: 70 + 2

Gen 4: 40 + 5

Gen 5: 70 + 3

Gen 6: 40 + 3 - and from here on comes a sharp decline in numbers. While until now it rotated 70-40, now it'll be always ca. 40, and given that the company started releasing pokemons which are "the same but not the same", one might consider the numbers even lower.

Gen 7: 40 +2 + 12 ultra beasts, which are simply said not even pokemon

Gen 8: (41+5) + 2

Gen 9: (45+5+2) + 1 + (14+2+4). So 52 regular pokemon in total, 1 event-pokemon, and 20 "paradox pokemon" which are either regional forms or not pokemon at all.
 
QuentinQuonce said:
Gen II

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Gold: 198 78.88%
Silver: 198 78.88%
Crystal: 207 82.47%

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251 Pokemon available in all.

Though the fact that the percentages barely change from Gen I makes it seem otherwise, Gold, Silver, and Crystal actually have a comparatively large amount of absent Pokemon. The absent first gen starters, fossils, and legendaries add up to 18 (Aerodactyl, of course, is obtainable in-game via an in-game trade) while the starters not chosen by the player add six more. Gen II adds a rather weighty six Pokemon to the pool of those which evolve by trade (the most of any generation), leaving ten Pokemon completely inaccessible to solo players. That leaves us with 34 missing Pokemon on top of the version-exclusives.

Like Mew, Celebi is missing in these games, but not in Crystal VC. Of course, in the original cartridge version it is absent. Interestingly, without the VC event Crystal and Silver are identical. When weighing Crystal against other upper versions such as Yellow, Emerald, and Platinum, it's surprising that it didn't add any additional Pokemon - not the Kanto starters, fossils, or even the legendary birds. However, with Celebi included, it still squeaks over the line to be the winner, making this the only generation where all three games have exactly the same amount of Pokemon available (in the original release, at least)!

A very belated edit thanks to something highlighted by Altissimo: in GS, the player can only get one each of the Fire, Water, Thunder, and Leaf Stones, meaning that only one of their respective stone evolutions is available to the player without interacting with another file.

Fire: Flareon OR Arcanine (in Gold only) OR Ninetales (in Silver only)
Water: Cloyster OR Poliwrath OR Starmie OR Vaporeon
Thunder: Raichu OR Jolteon
Leaf: Vileplume OR Victreebel OR Exeggutor

So knock off two for Fire, three for Water, one for Thunder, and two for Leaf for a total of 8. Hey, look at that! Crystal, of course, makes the evolution stones repeatedly obtainable so has no such restriction.

Best value for money: Crystal (VC)
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Shouldn’t this be two each for Gold and Silver because Arcanine is exclusive to Gold? (Edited your post)
 
Something interesting about the Curtis/Yancey trades: there are 4 Pokemon lines you are traded that differ depending on the gender of your character. One of them is a fossil that is easily obtained in other ways, and the other three are either Heart Gold or Soul Silver exclusives depending on your character’s gender.

So if you had Heart Gold it’s better to play as a boy and Soul Silver it’s better to play as a girl, if you intend to use the Gen 4 games to help you complete your dex.
 
Welp, I'm back here after quite a long time to give my update on the GEN4 game Platinum I played for over 250 hours.
So, with every trick possible in the book that isn't considered hard cheating and using 3rd party software to literally create pokemon outside of the game, I've managed to almost complete the shiny living dex of pokemon platinum. emphasis on "almost".
So I've managed to catch 409 pokemon in platinum alone. And yes this includes the trade evolutions and all the gen 4 starters (because I used soul silver to help me out in this regard=)). Outside of version exclusives and the bullsh*t GBA cartridge pokemon, you can basically catch every pokemon and with some Event DNS wireless shenanigans you can obtain a lot of legendaries and mythicals through events which help add to the pokedex.
I wanted to write a more in depth explanation on how I managed to get 409 but this challenge took me so long that I forgot most of the things I did. Silver lining is the number 409 (minus trade evolutions and starters if you don't have another game to trade) and #NoCheating.
 
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