OU Keldeo (Substitute + Calm Mind)

With permission from Jukain. Taking over for Josh Morales



QC Approvals: aim, Valentine, TRC
GP Approvals: fleudyleurse, frenzyplant

Calm Mind
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name: Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Scald
move 4: Secret Sword
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
========
Substitute protects Keldeo from status and revenge killers while it gets in enough Calm Mind boosts under its belt to get enough power to sweep late-game. Scald is Keldeo's STAB move of choice, and its 30% chance to burn the opponent makes it able to debilitate Keldeo's checks, such as Azumarill and Mega Venusaur. Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous bulk with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune. There are not many other options for moves in this set. Hydro Pump is a Water-type STAB move that is much stronger than Scald, but Scald's higher PP, as well as the ability to burn things for Keldeo to set up on, is much more appreciated.

Set Details
========
A Timid nature with maximum Speed EVs allows Keldeo to Speed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion. Maximum Special Attack investment allows Keldeo to hit as hard as possible, especially after a couple of Calm Mind boosts. Leftovers is the item of choice for this set, as Keldeo appreciates having some recovery to create more Substitutes. A Life Orb could be used for more power, but the lack of recovery, as well as the additional recoil, will wear Keldeo down exceedingly quickly.

Usage Tips
========
The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on a Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much. This set can be annoying for stall to face, but it needs to be played correctly in order to be. For example, Keldeo should spam Scald in the early- or mid-game to weaken its checks and fish for a burn. One should not be too reckless with the use of Substitute, as it can wear Keldeo down quickly, but do not be afraid to use it if it can pay off. Once Keldeo's checks have been weakened in the later parts of the game, Keldeo can set up Substitute and proceed to Calm Mind away and set up its sweep.


Team Options
========
Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any of its Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock. For this reason, Choice Scarf Tyranitar is a good teammate for Keldeo, as it can Pursuit trap them. While it is not as effective as Tyranitar due to its lower bulk, Bisharp can Pursuit trap Latios and Latias as well and can handle Unaware Clefable, which stops Keldeo in its tracks. Landorus-T can pivot into Talonflame and Mega Pinsir should they try to KO Keldeo with their STAB Flying-type attacks, and it can also set up Stealth Rock to wear down Keldeo's checks. Mega Venusaur can stop this set as well, so teammates like Latios, Latias, Talonflame, or Pinsir that can handle it make for good partners. Should Talonflame or Pinsir be paired with Keldeo, another teammate will be needed to handle the stacked weaknesses to Thundurus, such as Assault Vest Raikou and Choice Scarf Magnezone. Mega Alakazam pairs well with Keldeo, being able to handle the Latios and Latias as well as Venusaur and Amoonguss, whereas Keldeo can handle Tyranitar and Bisharp, which give Alakazam a lot of trouble. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon can KO Keldeo through its Substitute with a Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice. Jirachi can reliably switch into both Gardevoir and Sylveon, and if used on a more balanced team, can pass Wishes to Keldeo so it has more health to create Substitutes.


Moves
========
*Substitute protects you against status, and allows you to get in multiple Calm Minds much easier
*Calm Mind boosts Keldeo’s Special Attack stat, allowing it to break through things it could not before
*Scald is the preferred Water STAB, as the higher PP and ability to burn things for Keldeo to set up make Scald too good to pass up.
*Secret Sword is Keldeo’s secondary STAB, and allows it to bypass specially bulky Pokemon, most notably Chansey
*Hydro Pump is much stronger than Scald, but Scald's higher PP, as well as the ability to burn things for Keldeo to set up on, is much more appreciated.

Set Details
========
*Max Speed Max Special Attack for obvious reasons
*Timid Nature for maximum speed to outpace as much as possible
*Leftovers gives Keldeo needed Recovery, as this set needs some recovery for creating more Substitutes.

Usage Tips
========
*Set up a Substitute on Pokemon that cannot threaten Keldeo or are scared off by it, such as Heatran, Alomomola, etc.
*Can be annoying for some stall teams to face, but needs to be played correctly in order to do so
*In the beginning of the game, just play it as you would any Keldeo and spam Scald
*Do not be too reckless with using Substitute, as it will wear down Keldeo quickly.
*This set is really good late-game, when Keldeo's checks have been weakened, along with the rest of the opponent's team.

Team Options
========
*Choice Scarf Tyranitar can Pursuit trap the Lati twins, who give this set a lot of trouble. Bisharp can do this as well, and can handle Unaware Clefable, who gives Keldeo a lot of trouble
*Landorus-T can pivot into Talonflame and Mega Pinsir for Keldeo, who tend to cause Keldeo trouble.
*Lati twins, as well as Talonflame and Pinsir can beat Mega Venusaur for Keldeo. However, the latter two stack an Thundurus weakness along with other Electrics, so a teammate such as Assault Vest Raikou or Choice Scarf Magnezone is good to handle them
*Mega Gardevoir can KO Keldeo straight through a Substitute with Hyper Voice. Jirachi can handle Gardevoir relatively well, and on more balanced teams, can pass Wishes to Keldeo so it can create more Substitutes
*Mega Alakazam is a good teammate for Keldeo, as it can handle Ammoonguss and Mega Venusaur while being able to weaken the Lati twins.
 
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Mention bisharp as a partner to trap lati twins as well ad take on unaware clefable. Defensive pivots like landorus-t who take care of pinsir and talonflame. Lati twins are great partners as they beat venusaur and non knock off variants of thundurus. Specify that this set is great late game and i'd also mention mega zam as a good partner. 1/3
 
Mention bisharp as a partner to trap lati twins as well ad take on unaware clefable. Defensive pivots like landorus-t who take care of pinsir and talonflame. Lati twins are great partners as they beat venusaur and non knock off variants of thundurus. Specify that this set is great late game and i'd also mention mega zam as a good partner. 1/3
Changes made, though could you elaborate on why Mega Zam in particular is a good teammate?
 
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Valentine

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joey covered just about everything, pursuit trapping latis is the main thing. i ran occa berry scizor to bait hp fire lati back in bw, which allowed CM Keld to win lots of games. don't fkin mention that, just saying, getting latis out of the way is important.

joey mentioned psychics like lati@s and alakazam to deal with venu/amoongus, but there are other teammates like talonflame and pinsir that do the same thing, mention those. this leaves you pretty weak to thundurus, which is why you'll often see bird+water teams run something like Raikou or Scarfed Magnezone to switch into Hp Ice/Tbolt (and trap skarm/ferro for birds).

2/3
 
joey covered just about everything, pursuit trapping latis is the main thing. i ran occa berry scizor to bait hp fire lati back in bw, which allowed CM Keld to win lots of games. don't fkin mention that, just saying, getting latis out of the way is important.

joey mentioned psychics like lati@s and alakazam to deal with venu/amoongus, but there are other teammates like talonflame and pinsir that do the same thing, mention those. this leaves you pretty weak to thundurus, which is why you'll often see bird+water teams run something like Raikou or Scarfed Magnezone to switch into Hp Ice/Tbolt (and trap skarm/ferro for birds).

2/3
I will implement what you said, and then I will write this up. Thanks!
 

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Calm Mind
########
name: Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Scald
move 4: Secret Sword
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
========
Substitute and Calm Mind are the focal point of this set. Substitute protects Keldeo from status and revenge killers while it gets in a couple of Calm Mind boosts under its belt, so it has to get enough power to sweep late-game. Scald is Keldeo's STAB move of choice, and its 30% chance to burn the opponent can cut a physical attacmaker's power in half, and can alsit able to debilitate Keldeo's checks, such as Azumarill and Mega Vaenusaur. Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey with ease, while allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune. There are not many other options for moves in this set. Hydro Pump is a Water STAB move that is much stronger than Scald, but Scald's higher PP, as well as the ability to burn things for Keldeo to set up on, is much more appreciated.

Set Details
========
A Timid Nnature with maximum sSpeed EVs allows Keldeo to sSpeed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion. Maximum Special Attack allows Keldeo to hit as hard as possible, especially after a couple of Calm Mind boosts. Leftovers is the item of choice for this set, as Keldeo appreciates having some recovery to create more Substitutes. A Life Orb could be used for more power, but the lack of recovery, as well as the additional recoil, will wear Keldeo down exceedingly fastquickly.

Usage Tips
========
The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on a Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much, such as Heatran, Alomomola, and the like. This set can be annoying for stall to face, but it needs to be played correctly in order to do so. For example, Keldeo should just spam Scald in the earlierduring early- to middle parts of the -game to weaken its checks and fish for a Scald burn. One should not be too reckless with the usinge of Substitute, as it can wear Keldeo down quickly, but do not be afraid to use it if it can pay off. Once Keldeo's checks have been weakened in the later parts of the game, Keldeo can set up Substitute and Calm Mind away to set up its sweep.


Team Options
========
Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock. For this reason, Choice Scarf Tyranitar is a good teammate for Keldeo, as it can Pursuit trap the Lati twins so Keldeo does not have to worry about them. While it is not as effective to having much less specialas Tyranitar due to its lower bulk than Tyranitar, Bisharp can Pursuit trap themLatios and Latias well, and can handle Unaware Clefable as well, who canich stops Keldeo in its tracks. Landorus-T can pivot into Talonflame and Mega Pinsir, should they try to KO Keldeo with their STAB Flying-type attacks, and can set up Stealth Rock to wear down Keldeo's checks. Mega Venusaur can stop this set as well, so teammates like Latios, Latias, Talonflame, or Pinsir armake for good teammates to handle itpartners. Should Talonflame or Pinsir be paired with Keldeo, another teammate will be needed to handle the stacked weaknesses to Thundurus, such as Assault Vest Raikou and Choice Scarf Magnezone. Mega Alakazam pairs well with Keldeo, being able to handle the Lati twins, as well as Venusaur and Ammonguss, whereas Keldeo can handle Tyranitar and Bisharp, who normally give Alakazam a lot of trouble. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon can KO Keldeo through its Substitute with a Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice. Jirachi can reliably switch into both Gardevoir and Sylveon, and if used on a more balanced team, can pass Wishes to Keldeo so it has more health to create Substitutes.

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Substitute +
Calm Mind (there's already a set called Calm Mind on the site)
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name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Scald
move 4: Secret Sword
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
========
Substitute protects Keldeo from status and revenge killers while it gets in a couple of enough Calm Mind boosts under its belt to get enough power to sweep late-game. Scald is Keldeo's STAB move of choice, and its 30% chance to burn the opponent makes it able to debilitate Keldeo's checks, such as Azumarill and Mega Venusaur. Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune. There are not many other options for moves in this set. Hydro Pump is a Water-type STAB move that is much stronger than Scald, but Scald's higher PP, as well as the ability to burn things for Keldeo to set up on, is much more appreciated.

Set Details
========
A Timid nature with maximum Speed EVs allows Keldeo to Speed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion. Maximum Special Attack investment allows Keldeo to hit as hard as possible, especially after a couple of Calm Mind boosts. Leftovers is the item of choice for this set, as Keldeo appreciates having some recovery to create more Substitutes. A Life Orb could be used for more power, but the lack of recovery, as well as the additional recoil, will wear Keldeo down exceedingly quickly.

Usage Tips
========
The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on like Heatran and Alomomola Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much. This set can be annoying for stall to face, but it needs to be played correctly in order to be do so. For example, Keldeo should just spam Scald in the early- or mid-game to middle parts of the game to weaken its checks and fish for a Scald burn. One should not be too reckless with the use of Substitute, as it can wear Keldeo down quickly, but do not be afraid to use it if it can pay off. Once Keldeo's checks have been weakened in the later parts of the game, Keldeo can set up Substitute and proceed to Calm Mind away to and set up its sweep.


Team Options
========
Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock. For this reason, Choice Scarf Tyranitar is a good teammate for Keldeo, as it can Pursuit trap them Lati twins so Keldeo does not have to worry about them. While it is not as effective as Tyranitar due to its lower bulk, Bisharp can Pursuit trap Latias and Latios the Lati twins as well, (remove comma) and can also handle Unaware Clefable, which stops Keldeo in its tracks. Landorus-T can pivot into Talonflame and Mega Pinsir should they try to KO Keldeo with their STAB Flying-type attacks, and it can also set up Stealth Rock to wear down Keldeo's checks. Mega Venusaur can stop this set as well, so teammates like Latios, Latias, Talonflame, or Pinsir that can handle it make for good partners. Should Talonflame or Pinsir be paired with Keldeo, another teammate will be needed to handle the stacked weaknesses to Thundurus, such as Assault Vest Raikou and Choice Scarf Magnezone. Mega Alakazam pairs well with Keldeo, being able to handle Latias and Latios the Lati twins, as well as Venusaur and Amoonguss, whereas Keldeo can handle Tyranitar and Bisharp, who normally which give Alakazam a lot of trouble. Mega Gardevoir and Sylveon can KO Keldeo through its Substitute with a Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice. Jirachi can reliably switch into both Gardevoir and Sylveon, and if used on a more balanced team, can pass Wishes to Keldeo so it has more health to create Substitutes.
 

fleurdyleurse

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"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
should be
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
Alfalfa
 
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
should be
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
Alfalfa
Fixed. Still ready for upload
 

fleurdyleurse

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Alfalfa, you missed a few things when implementing:
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
should be
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
---
"A Timid nature with maximum Speed EVs allows Keldeo to speed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion."
should be
"A Timid nature with maximum Speed EVs allows Keldeo to Speed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion."
---
"The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much."
should be
"The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on a Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much."
---
"For example, Keldeo should spam Scald in the early or mid-game to weaken its checks and fish for a burn."
should be
"For example, Keldeo should spam Scald in the early- or mid-game to weaken its checks and fish for a burn."
---
"While it is not as effective as Tyranitar due to its lower bulk, Bisharp can Pursuit trap the Latios and Latias as well and can handle Unaware Clefable, which stops Keldeo in its tracks. "
should be
"While it is not as effective as Tyranitar due to its lower bulk, Bisharp can Pursuit trap the Latios and Latias as well and can handle Unaware Clefable, which stops Keldeo in its tracks. "

Please implement all of these and tag me.
 
Alfalfa, you missed a few things when implementing:
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
should be
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous Special Defense with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
---
"A Timid nature with maximum Speed EVs allows Keldeo to speed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion."
should be
"A Timid nature with maximum Speed EVs allows Keldeo to Speed tie with opposing Keldeo and Terrakion."
---
"The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much."
should be
"The idea behind this set is for Keldeo to set up a Substitute and use Calm Mind on a Pokemon like Heatran and Alomomola that does not threaten it much."
---
"For example, Keldeo should spam Scald in the early or mid-game to weaken its checks and fish for a burn."
should be
"For example, Keldeo should spam Scald in the early- or mid-game to weaken its checks and fish for a burn."
---
"While it is not as effective as Tyranitar due to its lower bulk, Bisharp can Pursuit trap the Latios and Latias as well and can handle Unaware Clefable, which stops Keldeo in its tracks. "
should be
"While it is not as effective as Tyranitar due to its lower bulk, Bisharp can Pursuit trap the Latios and Latias as well and can handle Unaware Clefable, which stops Keldeo in its tracks. "

Please implement all of these and tag me.
Changes made. Is it ready?
 

fleurdyleurse

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Alfalfa: one last change,
"Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock."
should be
"Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any of its Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock."
 
Alfalfa: one last change,
"Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock."
should be
"Latios and Latias are a huge pain for this set because they outspeed Keldeo and can bypass any of its Calm Mind boosts with Psyshock."
Change made.

Ready for upload
 

fleurdyleurse

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e.e why are there so many problems with this particular sentence
sorry, Alfalfa
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
should be
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous bulk with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."

i swear this analysis is haunted
 
e.e why are there so many problems with this particular sentence
sorry, Alfalfa
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."
should be
"Secret Sword is Keldeo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to bypass Chansey's monstrous bulk with ease, while also allowing it to beat opposing Calm Mind users, most notably Suicune."

i swear this analysis is haunted
I will keep this in GP stage then for any minor mistakes.
 

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