Quality Control Kyurem-B (QC 1/2)

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:bw/kyurem-black:

the bw sprite for this thing goes dummy hard

[OVERVIEW]

Kyurem-B is blessed with the combination of solid mixed attacking capabilities, 120 / 100 / 90 defensive stats which make it difficult to remove, and excellent coverage moves like Fusion Bolt and Earth Power, making it one of the most threatening offensive forces in doubles. It can be used on almost any team due to the universally beneficial combination of offensive pressure and utility it provides, both in terms of outright checking threats like Rillaboom and Zygarde and even speed control from Icy Wind. Its Dragon Dance set, which makes use of Kyurem-B's monstrous base 170 Attack, is also one of the most potent wincons in the tier, especially when paired with Fake Out and Redirection support from the likes of Incineroar and Amoonguss, though it struggles against Trick Room Pokemon, particularly Diancie. Unfortunately, Kyurem-B has a relatively average Speed tier at base 95 and is outran by checks like Urshifu-R and Genesect that can hit it for super effective. Additionally, its poor defensive typing leaves it open to multiple powerful fringe attacks such as Zapdos-G's Close Combat, Nihilego's Meteor Beam, and Metagross's Steel Roller.

[SET]
name: Assault Vest
move 1: Ice Beam
move 2: Fusion Bolt
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: Icy Wind
item: Assault Vest
ability: Teravolt
nature: ???
evs: ???

[SET COMMENTS]

* Ice Beam is a very reliable STAB-move, hitting numerous common Pokemon such as Landorus-T, Zygarde, Rillaboom, and Zapdos for super effective damage. Even neutral targets with low Special Defense like Kartana are easily 2HKOed.

* Fusion Bolt makes good use of Kyurem-B's great attack stat, hitting Water-types like Volcanion and Tapu Fini.

* Earth Power is an excellent coverage move, allowing Kyurem-B to hit Fire- and Steel-types including Heatran, Incineroar, and Metagross.

* Icy Wind provides a means of speed control while also being useful for 2HKOing the likes of Zygarde and Dragapult through redirection.

* The EV spread, combined with Assault Vest, allows Kyurem-B to ???

[SET]
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Icicle Spear
move 2: Fusion Bolt
move 3: Dragon Dance
move 4: Protect
item: Leftovers / Chople Berry
ability: Teravolt
nature: Adamant
evs: 120 HP / 136 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Dragon Dance is a large part of what makes physical Kyurem-B so threatening, as it boosts its already sky-high Attack. Additionally, it outruns the entire unboosted metagame at +1 Speed, and even outruns the likes of Heatran in Tailwind and Choice Scarf Genesect at +2.

* Icicle Spear is Kyurem's main attack, capable of OHKOing the likes of Landorus-T and Dragapult at neutral while also scoring OHKOs on Rillaboom and Zapdos at +1 Attack with at least 3 hits.

* Fusion Bolt gives Kyurem-B great coverage, hitting Water-types like Tapu Fini and Urshifu-R as well as Steel-types such as Heatran and Genesect that resist Icicle Spear.

* Protect is necessary for keeping Kyurem-B safe from attacks like Necrozma's Meteor Beam and Fake Out from Incineroar and Rillaboom.

* Leftovers affords Kyurem-B passive recovery which can be very useful as it often gets worn down when attempting to set up Dragon Dances. Chople Berry lets it eat a Close Combat from any variant of Urshifu-R, allowing it to use Dragon Dance and then outspeed and OHKO it back with Fusion Bolt.

* With 136 Attack EVs and an Adamant nature, Kyurem-B will always OHKO Zygarde with two hits from Icicle Spear, while maximum Speed investment allows it to tie adamant Zygarde at neutral and outrun Dragapult and Zeraora at +1 Speed. The remaining EVs are placed into HP to maximize Kyurem-B's bulk.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Kyurem-B can make use of a Life Orb mixed attacking set to have a stronger immediate offensive presence, and can similarly do so with Choice Band on more physically inclined sets; however, the former gets worn down fairly quickly with recoil while the latter can be taken advantage of based upon the move it chooses to lock in to. Heavy-Duty Boots lets it avoid taking Stealth Rock damage, which can also be useful for preserving its health, but is useless if the opponent isn't using Stealth Rock. Dragon Tail can be used to phase out Trick Room setters and set-up sweepers like Porygon2 and Dragon Dance Kyurem-B, respectively, though it cannot be used on Diancie. Flash Cannon can be used to hit Diancie but serves no little purpose otherwise.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[zeefable, 501951]]
- Quality checked by: [[Yoda2798, 243662], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
 
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  • In the Overview I'd talk about DD being vulnerable to TR, particularly Diancie.
  • I wouldn't mention being crippled by Sleep, that's not specific to Kyub, if anything it's better against Sleep than most things since it can hit Amoonguss.
  • For the AV spread, mention the dump in SpA.
  • These KOs Icicle Spear is "capable" of is quite ambiguous on what you mean, like +1 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Icicle Spear (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 36 Def Rillaboom: 348-412 (86.3 - 102.2%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO, if you mean you get them with 3+ hits then you need to specify.
  • For DD bulky is better, 164 HP / 92 Atk / 252 Spe gets the KO on Nihi at +1 (+1 92+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Nihilego: 359-423 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO).
  • Again, when mentioning Protect, I really don't think it makes sense to mention Spore when you threaten Amoong.
  • For DTail I'd mention DD Kyub rather than Spect as a more relevant example, and add "respectively" to be ultra clear you mean P2 is TR rather than setup. I'd also add as a drawback that you miss out on stopping Diancie (since it's immune).
  • I'd mention Flash Cannon for hitting Diancie.
Implement these for QC 1/2!
 

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Thoughts on the EV spreads:

DD set. 92 Atk EVs gets the OHKO on Nihlegio and 164 HP hits a Leftovers number. However, if not using Leftovers i.e. Heavy-Duty-Boots, or any other item, I feel 96 Atk EVs would be preferred since with Adamant nature it hits the +2 benchmark (i.e. gain 2 Atk at the expense of 1 HP).

Assault Vest. I feel this could be further optimised with a +/- nature. Using Mild with 248 HP / 108 Def / 4 SpA / 88 SpD / 60 Spe gives the exact same stat spread. I chose -Def since both because its Kyurem's lowest stat and that the previous set doesn't have any Def EVs. However, given that the previous EV spread prioritises SpA over Def, I feel a Mild 252 HP / 108 SpA / 88 SpD / 60 Spe for both more SpA and overall more stat points would be preferred. On a side note, with the latter EV spread, Earth Power then deals more damage than Fusion Bolt to Volcanion; Blastoise would be a better mention for Fusion Bolt instead.
 

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I know you're still updating this, but for AV, I've been using this spread: 248 HP / 24 Def / 16 SpA / 108 SpD / 112 Spe with a Rash nature
- outrun Modest Heatran to Earth Power it before it can use Eruption, Timid Pelipper to Fusion Bolt it before it can set Tailwind, and max Adamant Tsareena, which is used on offensive sets
- outrun -1 Naganadel
- take Jolly Scarf Urshifu-R's CC
- take Specs Pult Draco, OHKO in return with Ice Beam

you lose out on taking Nihilego's Meteor Beam, but the Urshifu calc seems important and the current spread doesn't guarantee the OHKO on Pult or outrun any of the benchmarks I listed


Also, (continuing the trend of not EV'ing for Nihilego) I use 136+ Atk on Dragon Dance Kyurem-B for this calc:
136+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Icicle Spear (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 360-432 (100.8 - 121%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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I think Freeze Dry is OO worthy as an alternative to Fusion Bolt. It is aimed at sets with more SpA investment, which can include AV. A comparison to Fusion Bolt:
  • Can run -Atk nature without any drawback
  • Notably better against Kingdra, Dracovish, and Gastrodon, and generally better if your opponent has an Intimidate or WoW Pokemon. Notably worse against CM Fini, Volcarona, and Snarl users. Due to this, I feel that consistently Freeze Dry > Fusion Bolt on ladder, but generally Fusion Bolt > Freezy Dry in tournaments.
  • Non-significant differences in damage are Freeze Dry is better against Urshifu-R (it still beats you nor can you OHKO it), worse against Volcanion (you have Earth Power for it anyways) and Blastoise
  • Gives you a safer move in that you can use a Ice-move for most of the damage of Ice Beam (Icy Wind is notably weaker) whilst simultaneously covering a potential Water-type switch-in to tank the incoming Ice move. Against Z Strats team, this is notable on targetting a weakened Rillaboom/Kartana whilst covering a potential Urshifu switch-in.
 

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I think Freeze Dry is OO worthy as an alternative to Fusion Bolt. It is aimed at sets with more SpA investment, which can include AV. A comparison to Fusion Bolt:
  • Can run -Atk nature without any drawback
  • Notably better against Kingdra, Dracovish, and Gastrodon, and generally better if your opponent has an Intimidate or WoW Pokemon. Notably worse against CM Fini, Volcarona, and Snarl users. Due to this, I feel that consistently Freeze Dry > Fusion Bolt on ladder, but generally Fusion Bolt > Freezy Dry in tournaments.
  • Non-significant differences in damage are Freeze Dry is better against Urshifu-R (it still beats you nor can you OHKO it), worse against Volcanion (you have Earth Power for it anyways) and Blastoise
  • Gives you a safer move in that you can use a Ice-move for most of the damage of Ice Beam (Icy Wind is notably weaker) whilst simultaneously covering a potential Water-type switch-in to tank the incoming Ice move. Against Z Strats team, this is notable on targetting a weakened Rillaboom/Kartana whilst covering a potential Urshifu switch-in.
Freeze Dry is definitely making it into this analysis. In QC We've been talking about finding a suitable "modern" AV Spread/moveset everyone can agree on so once we do it'll find its way in here somewhere
 

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