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Latias
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lol wut? 80/90/130 is damn good for a special tank.
Yea, if you seen defense invested starmie, which has 60/85/85, you see how bulky Latias is.
Also, Blissey envys that 90 defense :P
You really need to tone down the arrogance.
If you want an all-out attacker, then Latios is obviously better. Latias, however, can take more of a beating than Latios while dishing out good damage, meaning that she can fill a more tankish role.
Masterful doesn't really know what he's talking about. At straight-out attacking you'll obviously be better off with Latios and nobody's disputing that. 130 SpA is godly. Latias does well as a support pokemon, the CM + Roar set popularize towards the end of Gen IV still works excellently, especially when you consider its superb synergy with Nattorei - not only typewise but how its shuffling capabilities complement the hazard support provided by Nattorei.
On balanced or semi-stall teams, if you need a threatening late-game sweeper, an answer to last-Pokemon Crocune/Curselax and a check to stall breakers like Infernape and Gliscor, Latias is a perfect fit. Good support and set-up options, balanced bulk, and high speed are all plus points.
On balanced or semi-stall teams, if you need a threatening late-game sweeper, an answer to last-Pokemon Crocune/Curselax and a check to stall breakers like Infernape and Gliscor, Latias is a perfect fit. Good support and set-up options, balanced bulk, and high speed are all plus points.
Unlike Luster Purge, mist ball does little for you. It's weaker than psycho shock and psychic, only serving to make it harder for special attackers to try and take down latias. As soon as they see you use calm mind, the special attackers are all going to get the heck out of there or attempt to boost up alongside you. Temporarily lowering their special attack isn't going to help in the end at all. Mist ball is also useless against physical attackers. At least luster purge makes switch ins easier to kill.
This post is coming from the same person who said that smogon banned genosect because it was broken thanks to its amazing stats, movepool, and ability.
I can't beleive people think this damn poke is bad. I think it's one of the OPest damn pokes out there atm. Very little can counter this thing, except possibly scizor, but specs meter does pooloads anyways, so yu can't really switch in, or, since scizor's so common, they just carry hp fire. I hate this thing >.< Blissey's the only thing it really fears, and she's not around that much anymore.
Well latios still has 110 SDef and is faster and can OHKO non bulky variants with Surf so while Latias is of course the better counter i wouldn't say Latios does much worse.
Latias is just underrated because People want to use it like they did in Gen 4 in wich case Latios obviously outclasses it due to higher offensive stats, but unless Latios gets banned it should always focus on bulky Calm Mind and support sets if your using it with a Life orb or Specs or even offensive CM your clearly using the wrong Pokemon. This being said i generally think that Latios is way easier to fit on a Team compared to Latias, wich has a hard time in this Meta Game full of fast and powerful attackers not to mention the evercommon Scizor and TTar.
They have the same speed.
And even if Latios outclasses Latias, you can't blame us for wanting out cuddly little Latias to work competitively, especially because she has the stats and movepool to do so.
i wanted to say that he is faster than tran sorry if this was unclear.
I also never said that Latios completly outclasses his sister i wanted to say that Latias niche got smaller compared to Gen 4 where Latios was never allowed in standart play.
The latter was a general comment to all naysayers, not you in particular.
I can't understand how nobody noticed MirrorType, a move limited to Latias, Starmie and Mew. The move allows Latias to copy her opponent's typing. Latias is obviously the best abuser as she lures steel types in and with Levitate she usually gets a quite decent typing that allows her to beat some of her most common "counters" (+ toxic immunity) for the cost of weaker offense (lack of STAB) and a moveslot.
Mirror Type (CM or phazer)
Latias @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
252HP / 4Def / 252Spe
Timid Nature
~ Mirror Type
~ Calm Mind / Roar
~ Recover
~ Dragon Pulse / Surf
Yes, this set is a little bit gimmicky, but it seems to be working quite well for me. Entry hazard support (especially TSpikes with CM) is needed. Just an example how this may work: Nattorei switches in, while Latias uses CM. Now, Latias can change it's typing to Grass / Steel (w/ Levitate) and walls Nattorei completely. (Unluckely Nattorei can still paralyze Latias). This allows her to boost more and pseudo phaze.
Mirror Type (CM or phazer)
Latias @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
252HP / 4Def / 252Spe
Timid Nature
~ Mirror Type
~ Calm Mind / Roar
~ Recover
~ Dragon Pulse / Surf
Yes, this set is a little bit gimmicky, but it seems to be working quite well for me. Entry hazard support (especially TSpikes with CM) is needed. Just an example how this may work: Nattorei switches in, while Latias uses CM. Now, Latias can change it's typing to Grass / Steel (w/ Levitate) and walls Nattorei completely. (Unluckely Nattorei can still paralyze Latias). This allows her to boost more and pseudo phaze.
^ Thing is, losing Dragon STAB isn't the best thing in the world. But I do see it being a interesting gimmick.
Yay, somebody is using my version of NDenizen's set! :D
I can truly attest to its proficiency. Latias in rain is a hilariously good nattorei lure.
Recover is not necessary though, and nor is roar. Neither helps it get past T-tar, who it struggles to KO no matter what (then again without fire blast or superpower this is mutual).
Why not say fuck it all and run Specs Latias and Specs Latios on the same team? Common Switch in's like Tyranitar and Scizor can only really switch in once with rocks to kill you. They'll kill the first Lati then kill them selves switching into the second one. Other things like Nattorei can be taken care of by Magnezone.
It's been done in practice too you know. Just check out the team "Drag To Mag"
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77492
I think The Lati twins can pull this off as well
4drag2mag is knd of team that is a part of remnant of the past. use that in this meta and watch as dory switch on your dragon STAB locked, SD and swept. Also just be real, if you are using that team, you are not going off seriously. A team that show 2 same pokemon that done simmilar work is more like Terakion/Garchomp pairing which is quite logical and pracical to use.
4d2m is more like gimmicky for fun tactic.
4d2m is more like gimmicky for fun tactic.
Mag and the 2 Lati's are 3 members, the other 3 can be anything. I'd personally run Gliscor and Bronzong just to cover the scary sand sweepers. Leaves one more slot open to patch up any remaining weaknesses
Using two Pokemon with the same counters and fairly similar typing is a completely legit strategy. The first weakens said counter, and the second (usually the faster) cleans up afterwards. Obviously it requires team support, since you're using two things with similar typing, but it does work. Don't see why it wouldn't for the Lati twins.
