Little Cups (Cup 4, FINALS!)


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All right so basically we'll be spicing some things up in LC from now on~ It'll be like teambats, but much less annoying for us to deal with.

How to participate:
  • The LC Mini-Tournaments are run just like an official Smogon tournament. *The first thread/post posted is the sign-ups. *During the sign-ups you post "in".
  • All of the Rounds will take place in this thread, so keep your eyes peeled for when the round is over and the next round has started!
  • Sign ups will be in multiples of 8, randomized like official tournaments


I expect many battles to be completed under alts. This can be bad for tournament security, and thus I will make this clear: If I hear any whispers of identity theft (battling as someone you are not) or proxy battling (helping someone else battle through pm) I will not be pleased and I will take severe actions.


Next, I do not want to hear anything about counterteaming, at all. Do not complain about it. I also don't want to hear about any blatant scouting. There is a difference between "[user] is known for using stall" and "let me follow [user] around all day to watch all his battles since I am his opponent". I expect a lot of the former and none of the latter. With that said, I give permission to all battlers to ask any person spectating their battle to leave if they do not want them watching.*

Timer Clause

As for taking long between moves, if your opponent asks you to hurry up, please oblige. If you are doing a damage calc for a key turn that is one thing, but prolonging every move is suspicious and annoying. Don't do it. Furthermore, Battle Timeout is a rule for a reason. If you run out of time, you lose, simple as that. It does not matter what your opponent says. Do not battle if you think you will have to leave mid battle, and instead reschedule for a better time.


Finally, in the case of a disconnect, the decision is in the hands of the player who did not disconnect. The options are: redo the battle move for move, redo the battle with the same teams but different moves, or redo the battle with completely different teams. If the battle was without a doubt over, they may also take the win. Any suspicion that a disconnect was committed on purpose to redo a match may be appealed to me, and if I feel this happened there will be severe consequences, don't do it.

I know that was a lot to read, but it is all necessary for me to have posted here so everyone can see it in the case of a dispute. I don't want any confusion or any problems.

LC Mini-Tournaments Rules:
  • Battles will be played on Pokemon Showdown! / Pokemon Online.
  • Gen V LC
  • This is a single elimination best of one tournament.
  • You may switch your team each round.
Little Cup Rules:
Pokémon: Players are allowed a team of up to 6 Pokémon that meet the following conditions:

  • The Pokémon must be able to evolve.
  • The Pokémon must be the earliest evolution stage obtainable.
  • The Pokémon must be at Level 5.
  • The Pokémon must not be on the Ubers list.
Species Clause - Only one Pokémon may be on a team from each species.

Ubers - The following are banned from use in Little Cup:


Abilities, Items, and Moves:

Abilities: Moody is banned.

Items: Pokémon in Little Cup are allowed to hold items, as in any Pokémon match. The "Item Clause" is not in effect in Little Cup, multiple teammates can hold the same item. The item Berry Juice is banned.

Moves: Pokémon in Little Cup can use (nearly) any move available to them at Level 5. All non-genderless Pokemon can use their level-up moves, and genderless Pokemon can use any 3rd generation level-up move in conjunction with any TMs. Sonicboom and Dragon Rage are both banned moves. Further information on illegal move combinations is located here.

OHKO Clause - Moves that score a guaranteed "One-hit-KO" on the opponent, such as Sheer Cold, Horn Drill, Guillotine, or Fissure, are banned.

Evasion Clause - Moves that directly increase a users Evasion such as Double Team and Minimize are banned.

Battle Mechanics:

Sleep Clause - Only one Pokémon can be put to sleep by an opponent at a time, per team.

Self-KO Clause - If an opponent uses Selfdestruct or Explosion with their last Pokémon, they lose the game regardless of the number of Pokémon remaining on the other team.

Evasion Clause - Moves that boost evasion (i.e. Double Team and Minimize) are not allowed.

EVs: Contrary to some beliefs, it has been proven that even with a level 5 baby, any EV spread is possible on any Pokémon. Thus, the standard in game maximum of 255 EVs per stat, 510 EVs total is the only limitation on EVs in Little Cup.

Other things to note about LC Mini-Tournaments:
  • All Rounds and tournaments will take place in this thread, so keep your eyes peeled for the start of new rounds and sign-ups.
  • Each tournament can and probably will have a quirk dealing with the LC metagame, which can change the ban list
  • Because most of these tourneys will have weird quirks, please save your logs and be prepared to take a screenshot of the battle should you suspect your opponent of cheating. *However, I do not want your logs and you don't have to submit your teams to me or whoever is running the mini-tourney.
  • Because all of the mini-tourneys will take place in this thread, there won't be more than one tourney running at a time.
  • Any of the above rules are subject to change depending on the tourney.
Important Note

  • Little Cups performance will be incorporated for Little Cup Player Ranking.
  • As such, deadlines will now be stringent. Extensions will be the exception, not the norm.
  • Every round you win in a Little Cup will give you 1 point for the Little Cup Player Ranking. See here for details.

Possible Rewards for *multiple* winners:
  • Custom title under your forum name
  • HOPs (Half-ops status (%) in #littlecup)

If you have any questions/concerns please don't be hesitate to post them below. Please refer to this thread for any basic questions. Otherwise, refer to any analyses / guides, join #littlecup on IRC, or post here!

Little Cups 1!
Weather Palooza

Special Rules:

  • Vulpix / Drought is unbanned from LC
  • Poliwag will be given Drizzle (which means all challenges will be made in a Pokemon Showdown! Hackmons sort of tier)
  • Drizzle + Swift Swim will be legal, we straight up thug in LC
note: All move illegalities that apply to Poliwag with Swift Swim will be in effect for Poliwag with Drizzle

Sign ups:

  1. Dr. Ciel
  2. Silvershadow234
  3. JacobNinja
  4. Chieliee
  5. DittoCrow
  6. Raseri
  7. New Breed
  8. Furry
  9. Nanoswine
  10. Ray Jay
  11. dragonboy52
  12. Delver
  13. Hawkstar
  14. BROStime
  15. Litchi
  16. Elevator Music
  17. Mylo Xyloto
  18. Sir
  19. Gengan
  20. A l e x a n d e r
  21. Metroid78
  22. iss
  23. comatthew6
  24. Corkscrew
  25. blarajan
  26. MarceloDK
  27. little_gk
  28. Enix
  29. prem
  30. KingTorterraXIV
  31. Someoneelse
  32. spuds4ever
Round 1

KingTorterraXIV vs iss
Corkscrew vs little_gk
Elevator Music vs A l e x a n d e r
Silvershadow234 vs Dr. Ciel
Ray Jay vs Enix
Metroid78 vs Furry
New Breed vs Mylo Xyloto
Delver vs Chieliee
blarajan vs Litchi
JacobNinja vs DittoCrow
prem vs Someoneelse
Gengan vs MarceloDK
Raseri vs Nanoswine
Princess Bri vs comatthew6
Hawkstar vs Sir
dragonboy52 vs spuds4ever


MarceloDK vs dragonboy52
Mylo Xyloto vs comatthew6
Dr. Ciel vs Chieliee
Someoneelse vs KingTorterraXIV
Nanoswine vs Corkscrew
Enix vs Hawkstar
DittoCrow vs Metroid78
Elevator Music vs Litchi


Elevator Music vs Metroid 78
Hawkstar vs MarceloDK
Mylo Xyloto vs Chieliee
Corkscrew vs Someoneelse


MarceloDK vs Elevator Music
Corkscrew vs Chieliee


Elevator Music
vs Chieliee


Rule: No Scraggy Allowed
Otherwise Standard
Sign Ups:
  1. Jacob Ninja
  2. Corkscrew
  3. Chieliee
  4. Delver
  5. Hawkstar
  6. iss
  7. Sir
  8. DatCoconut
  9. Litchi
  10. Ray Jay
  11. Tofu
  12. Raseri
  13. Elevator Music
  14. little gk
  15. prem
  16. Phazon00
  17. Woodchuck
  18. Mikel
  19. thebrownie
  20. TehMexicanDewd
  21. Oiawesome
  22. The Unlucky one
  23. Demist
  24. comatthew6
  25. viashinomage
  26. Gone to the beach
  27. blarajan
  28. EBeast
  29. FLCL
  30. Enigneer Pikachu
Round 1

Oiawesome vs Engineer Pikachu
The Unlucky one vs DatCoconut
Chieliee vs Ray Jay Furai
Jacob Ninja vs iss
Hawkstar vs Gone to the beach
comatthew6 vs TehMexicanDewd
thebrownie vs Sir
EBeast vs blarajan
prem vs viashinomage
Mikel vs Corkscrew
Raseri vs Elevator Music
Demist vs Delver
Woodchuck vs Phazon00
Tofu vs little gk
Litchi vs BYE

Deadline will be 11:59 PM EST Wednesday, December 5th.

Round 2

Gave Gone to the Beach and Tofu activity wins.

Gone to the beach vs Furai
Engineer Pikachu vs Litchi
Mikel vs TehMexicanDewd
thebrownie vs Tofu
Elevator Music vs Delver
prem vs iss
Woodchuck vs FLCL
EBeast vs The Unlucky one

Deadline 12/12/12!!!

Coinflipped Engineer Pikachu vs. Litchi

Round 3:
Elevator Music vs. FLCL
Furai vs. EBeast
Litchi vs. prem
thebrownie vs. TehMexicanDewd

Deadline is 12/20/12

Round 4

FLCL v. thebrownie
EBeast v. Litchi

deadline 12/28/12


FlCL v. Litchi

Little Cup 3


  1. FireMage
  2. Raseri
  3. prem
  4. Elevator Music
  5. Hawkstar
  6. Good Luck
  7. FLCL
  8. Mikel
  9. iss
  10. Corkscrew
  11. The Unlucky One
  12. The Ttar
  13. Litchi
  14. Woodchuck
  15. Mylo Xyloto
  16. Chieliee
  17. blarajan
  18. DatCoconut
  19. Dr. Ciel
  20. Diana
  21. little_gk
  22. Windsong

Round 1

little_gk vs FLCL
Hawkstar vs Bye
Elevator Music vs Diana
iss vs FireMage
Chieliee vs Litchi
The Ttar vs Woodchuck
prem vs DatCoconut
Mylo Xyloto vs blarajan
Raseri vs Dr. Ciel
Good Luck vs Mikel
The Unlucky One vs Corkscrew
Windsong vs Bye

Round 2

Woodchuck vs Elevator Music
iss vs Windsong
Good Luck vs Mylo Xyloto blarajan
The Unlucky One vs Chieliee
prem vs Raseri
Hawkstar vs FLCL

Round 3

Elevator Music vs iss
Hawkstar vs Good Luck
Raseri vs The Unlucky One


Hawkstar v Elevator Music
Elevator Music v The Unlucky One
Hawkstar v The Unlucky One
Little Cup 4



  1. iss
  2. Good_Luck!
  3. Electrolyte
  4. JacobNinja
  5. Hawkstar
  6. DatCoconut
  7. Novaray
  8. Shining Latios
  9. default NNC
  10. Skittle
  11. Woodchuck
  12. The Unlucky one
  13. Corkscrew
  14. Sarkynin
  15. Mikel
  16. The Quasar
  17. macle
  18. Chieliee
  19. celever
  20. Litchi
  21. Delver
  22. blarajan
  23. Organization Member XIV
  24. Finchinator
  25. shuckles my hero
  26. AuraRayquaza
  27. Grimsly
  28. FireMage
  29. Conzipe
  30. Younii
  31. Nozzle
  32. Qwilphish


I got the runs like Jagger
I dont get the point of this LCC but I guess I'll get in on it.

edit: I guess a better way to state it is: The majority of people are going to be running sand teams and then theres going to be a select few trying to get things like Cottonee to work while they get swept because drilbur is going to be running X-scissor.


Rest in Bling
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the point of these fuckers is to learn something

stop complaining start LEARNING

"no hail == sand++ so hmmm what do we do about that, is sand actually overpowering without snover?"


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