(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

Having one specific type have only strong and rare mons would just feel.. off to me.

That was very much the original concept of what Dragon-types were in Gen I, though (according to Lance, who admittedly probably isn't the most unbiased source)

I think that unravelled pretty much instantly, though. Much as I love Kingdra it really doesn't scream "mythically sacred and powerful being" in the way Dragonite did/does.
 
That was very much the original concept of what Dragon-types were in Gen I, though (according to Lance, who admittedly probably isn't the most unbiased source)

I think that unravelled pretty much instantly, though. Much as I love Kingdra it really doesn't scream "mythically sacred and powerful being" in the way Dragonite did/does.
It also should be remembered that Lance had many Draconic Pokemon, but the typing itself was exclusive to the Dragonite line in Gen 1. Since he notes them as tricky to catch and raise, I wonder if he just meant Dragon-like Pokemon, since Gyarados also fits that bill with Magikarp's schtick and its basis on the Waterfall legend.

Kingdra isn't presented as particularly powerful or hard to train by comparison, vs something like Larvitar (which Lance is depicted as owning in the GSC Manga chapter), so I feel like Lance is more talking about a theme than the literal typing.
 
That was very much the original concept of what Dragon-types were in Gen I, though (according to Lance, who admittedly probably isn't the most unbiased source)

I think that unravelled pretty much instantly, though. Much as I love Kingdra it really doesn't scream "mythically sacred and powerful being" in the way Dragonite did/does.

To be fair, even if Kingdra doesn’t come across as mythical and dragon-like, it does evolve from Seadra which I always thought was oddly absent from Lance’s Gen 1 team considering that its category is “Dragon Pokémon.” Let’s Go finally capitalized on that though.
 
That was very much the original concept of what Dragon-types were in Gen I, though (according to Lance, who admittedly probably isn't the most unbiased source)

I think that unravelled pretty much instantly, though. Much as I love Kingdra it really doesn't scream "mythically sacred and powerful being" in the way Dragonite did/does.

Yeah which is why I’m glad they steered away from having that inherent.
 
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Um...Blaine? Aren't you forgetting one specific Pokemon? Your ace? You know, since RBY? Ahem...

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THIS GUY, there's even an ex of it!

No srs, why is he so limited to three specific and kinda mediocre Pokemon, while Misty is allowed to random bs go with every Water type Articuno included...
 
The Terahack thread reminded me, I am irked by how Magearna got given access to Heart Swap in Gen 7, only to then immediately lose that access in the next gen due to Manaphy being Dexited, and then not regaining it in Gen 9 even though both Pokémon are in SV. (And Original Color Magearna missed the boat on the move entirely since it was never distributed in Gen 7.) It was actually a really fitting instance of widening access to a signature move!
 
The other aspect of it I find maddening is that it lets you filter for "can travel to [game]", which sounds helpful enough. But in practice that's only relevant for LGPE Pokemon, since Pokemon from other games can't go into there. If I search for a Dragonite and ask for one capable of travelling to ScVi, I could end up getting sent a Dragonite from Gen XI, Gen VIII, LGPE, Pokemon Go, or one that's come from Bank. Which doesn't really help. Wouldn't it be more helpful to have that criteria be that it's from a particular game, not that it can go there?

This, but again

Seriously, the "can travel to" filter is so. goddamn. useless. Why could it not have been a "caught in [game]" filter instead. The fact that a Pikachu can travel to SwSh, ScVi, LGPE, L:A, or BDSP tells me nothing about where it was actually caught originally.

Seriously what is the point in me asking for a Gligar and checking the "can travel to Legends:Arceus" box, it means absolutely nothing WHEN EVERY FUCKER JUST SENDS YOU A GLIGAR CAUGHT IN POKEMON GO
 
tweaking over kanto!rattata line

:bw/rattata:
you can catch this thing in THREE games??? THREE?????????

It's in RB obviously. It's in GS. And then it's in BW2. That's IT. WHERE IS HE???

No, like seriously, go take a look. You can't get it at all in RS. You can't get it in DP until the postgame. You can't get it in BW1 until postgame and you can't get it in XY. You can't get it in SM/USUM (but can get the Alolan one, so that's something but still). It straight up does not exist in SWSH or SV. The smallest nibbles it's been given are being available as a hidden encounter in ORAS... after Groudon/Kyogre, and being in the Grand Underground in BDSP. Obviously you can get it in the 1/2 remakes as well.

Like okay it's a rattata sure whatever just use swellow I get it but seriously??? It hasn't been around in 12 years and it wasn't around for years before that either!! WHY DO THEY HATE HIM
 
tweaking over kanto!rattata line

:bw/rattata:
you can catch this thing in THREE games??? THREE?????????

It's in RB obviously. It's in GS. And then it's in BW2. That's IT. WHERE IS HE???

No, like seriously, go take a look. You can't get it at all in RS. You can't get it in DP until the postgame. You can't get it in BW1 until postgame and you can't get it in XY. You can't get it in SM/USUM (but can get the Alolan one, so that's something but still). It straight up does not exist in SWSH or SV. The smallest nibbles it's been given are being available as a hidden encounter in ORAS... after Groudon/Kyogre, and being in the Grand Underground in BDSP. Obviously you can get it in the 1/2 remakes as well.

Like okay it's a rattata sure whatever just use swellow I get it but seriously??? It hasn't been around in 12 years and it wasn't around for years before that either!! WHY DO THEY HATE HIM
It's weird to me what Kanto mons that Game Freak says "this will be in every game forever", and which ones that, despite being iconic are just rarely seen.

Like IIRC Magikarp is in the regional dex of every single Pokemon game (including BW1), Psyduck is in everything except BW1 and ORAS, Magnemite is in everything except Black specifically (White Forest has it, apparently) and XY.

Rattata is so iconic IDK why they do it dirty specifically rip.
 
It's weird to me what Kanto mons that Game Freak says "this will be in every game forever", and which ones that, despite being iconic are just rarely seen.

Like IIRC Magikarp is in the regional dex of every single Pokemon game (including BW1), Psyduck is in everything except BW1 and ORAS, Magnemite is in everything except Black specifically (White Forest has it, apparently) and XY.

Rattata is so iconic IDK why they do it dirty specifically rip.

If I had to guess, as an early game rat it overlaps with a lot of other design spaces so although it's an iconic gen 1 mon, it's in a common "niche" so it gets de-prioritized. Getting a chance to parallel Yungoos and get turned into a dark(/normal) type is probably why it go to "star" in Alola at all.

Pidgey is actually in the same boat! It's in Gen 1 & 2, obviously, and their remakes but is post game in Sinnoh games & ORAS and USUM (NOT SM!) only has it by breeding Pidgeot found through Island Scan. The only other non-remake game it's in a normally available way is XY. & it's probably way more iconic than Rattata could ever be.


Also incidentally if we're counting Magikarp for BW1 since it's in the post game, Psyduck is in BW1 since Golduck is in the post game.
Psyduck is also explicitly in the Hoenn Dex, it's in the Safari Zone.
 
Also incidentally if we're counting Magikarp for BW1 since it's in the post game, Psyduck is in BW1 since Golduck is in the post game.
Psyduck is also explicitly in the Hoenn Dex, it's in the Safari Zone.
My bad, I was reading pokemonDB and it said "Breed Golduck." which in my head made me think it was supposed to be "if you had a Golduck from transfer, you could breed it technically", which is the type of answer I see on some sites for mons not in regional dexes.

I didn't consider Golduck was just actually there lol
 
It's weird to me what Kanto mons that Game Freak says "this will be in every game forever", and which ones that, despite being iconic are just rarely seen.

Like IIRC Magikarp is in the regional dex of every single Pokemon game (including BW1), Psyduck is in everything except BW1 and ORAS, Magnemite is in everything except Black specifically (White Forest has it, apparently) and XY.

Rattata is so iconic IDK why they do it dirty specifically rip.
Is Rattata "iconic" - ?

The starters - iconic
Charizard - iconic
Pikachu - iconic
Psyduck - iconic
Snorlax - iconic
Mewtwo - iconic
Mew - iconic

Rattata - generic rat

Like

No

I would argue it is not iconic within its generation nor within the 1000+ pokes to date.

Much loved, for sure, but that doesn't make it iconic. Straw poll of people around the world would not put Rattata ahead of the above.

So it's probably in the category of "fulfils a specific role in the early game and largely not necessary for repeated use in games"
 
Rattata is iconic in the sense that it is one of the first Pokemon you ever meet in its debut generation, and it stands out because of that. It's not liked by everyone, sure, but most people know its name and it's very recognizable because both it and Pidgey stand out as two of the first Pokemon who show themselves in the game in the first route. It does have some meme value among more passionate fans too. Pidgey is arguably more iconic, and people actually like Pidgeot, but Rattata is certainly recognizable. Almost everything in the early game of RBY is recognizable and well known in the greater public consciousness. This also includes Spearow, Caterpie, and Weedle, along with their respective evolutions.

Rattata is well known in the same sense that Zubat and Tentacool are well known in a way. It and Pidgey are in just about every field route in RBY, at least one of them, much like how Geodude and Zubat are near constants in caves and Tentacool is everywhere while you surf on water routes. Which has made them distinctly recognizable in the public consciousness as "common and annoying wild spawns".

There are different categories of recognizable Pokemon among the original 151 I feel. There's the distinctly iconic and marketable ones, which are the three starter lines (Charizard most of all), Pikachu, Eevee, Lapras, Snorlax, the three legendary birds, Dragonite, Mewtwo, and Mew to name a few, and then there's stuff that's common in the game that everyone at least knows the name of, like Rattata, Zubat, Pidgey, etc. And Onix, since it's the very first boss fight in the game.

Almost everything in the beginning part of the Kanto dex is recognizable, including the bugs, Pidgey, Rattata, and Spearow, as is the stuff towards the end, like the legendaries, Dragonite, Snorlax, the fossils, Ditto, and Magikarp+Gyarados. It's the stuff in the middle of the dex that tends to be obscure. Stuff like Goldeen and Doduo.

As for Rattata, it and Pidgey are the weird kind of Pokemon that inspired Pokemon who were made in their image and they repeated that "archetype" for every game for each new roster of Pokemon. Rattata has a lot of expies, and basically at least one per new generation: Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat, Bunnelby, Yungoos and Alolan Rattata, Skwovet and Wooloo, and last but not least Lechonk. Whereas Zubat and Tentacool largely kept reprising their classic roles game after game.
 
Is Rattata "iconic" - ?

The starters - iconic
Charizard - iconic
Pikachu - iconic
Psyduck - iconic
Snorlax - iconic
Mewtwo - iconic
Mew - iconic

Rattata - generic rat

Like

No

I would argue it is not iconic within its generation nor within the 1000+ pokes to date.

Much loved, for sure, but that doesn't make it iconic. Straw poll of people around the world would not put Rattata ahead of the above.

So it's probably in the category of "fulfils a specific role in the early game and largely not necessary for repeated use in games"
better hope youngster joey doesn't see this post buddy...
 
Rattata is iconic in the sense that it is one of the first Pokemon you ever meet in its debut generation, and it stands out because of that. It's not liked by everyone, sure, but most people know its name and it's very recognizable because both it and Pidgey stand out as two of the first Pokemon who show themselves in the game in the first route. It does have some meme value among more passionate fans too. Pidgey is arguably more iconic, and people actually like Pidgeot, but Rattata is certainly recognizable. Almost everything in the early game of RBY is recognizable and well known in the greater public consciousness. This also includes Spearow, Caterpie, and Weedle, along with their respective evolutions.

Rattata is well known in the same sense that Zubat and Tentacool are well known in a way. It and Pidgey are in just about every field route in RBY, at least one of them, much like how Geodude and Zubat are near constants in caves and Tentacool is everywhere while you surf on water routes. Which has made them distinctly recognizable in the public consciousness as "common and annoying wild spawns".

There are different categories of recognizable Pokemon among the original 151 I feel. There's the distinctly iconic and marketable ones, which are the three starter lines (Charizard most of all), Pikachu, Eevee, Lapras, Snorlax, the three legendary birds, Dragonite, Mewtwo, and Mew to name a few, and then there's stuff that's common in the game that everyone at least knows the name of, like Rattata, Zubat, Pidgey, etc. And Onix, since it's the very first boss fight in the game.

Almost everything in the beginning part of the Kanto dex is recognizable, including the bugs, Pidgey, Rattata, and Spearow, as is the stuff towards the end, like the legendaries, Dragonite, Snorlax, the fossils, Ditto, and Magikarp+Gyarados. It's the stuff in the middle of the dex that tends to be obscure. Stuff like Goldeen and Doduo.

As for Rattata, it and Pidgey are the weird kind of Pokemon that inspired Pokemon who were made in their image and they repeated that "archetype" for every game for each new roster of Pokemon. Rattata has a lot of expies, and basically at least one per new generation: Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat, Bunnelby, Yungoos and Alolan Rattata, Skwovet and Wooloo, and last but not least Lechonk. Whereas Zubat and Tentacool largely kept reprising their classic roles game after game.
better hope youngster joey doesn't see this post buddy...
Fair points!
 
I've found it fairly surprising how many Gen 1 Pokémon, especially earlygame Pokémon have just not been in the last two generations; BDSP aside. The Weedle, Pidgey, Rattata and Spearow lines have not been in SwSh or ScarVi (or LA for that matter), and that's so surprising to me with how much Gen 1 is shilled and how, as noted, these are some of the most recognisable Pokémon in the franchise just from being the earliest Pokémon in the worldwide phenomenon that was RB.

I don't necessarily dislike this (well, as a Beedrill fan it makes me cry a little), but whenever I see the list it keeps jumping out at me
 
At the end of the day even if you're early that doesn't make you "notable" enough to get frequent inclusion, especially when you're in a generation full of notable Pokemon.

There's a reason Zubat -with its unique typing, 3 stage cross-gen line, and still-fairly-distinct ecological niche- gets to be in every single game until SV, but it's easier to pass on others "well, nothing wrong with butterfree 2 gens in a row, but let's get spinarak here instead of beedrill" or "let's churn up some of our other 3-stage normal/flying types this time"
 
Rattata is iconic in the sense that it is one of the first Pokemon you ever meet in its debut generation, and it stands out because of that. It's not liked by everyone, sure, but most people know its name and it's very recognizable because both it and Pidgey stand out as two of the first Pokemon who show themselves in the game in the first route. It does have some meme value among more passionate fans too. Pidgey is arguably more iconic, and people actually like Pidgeot, but Rattata is certainly recognizable. Almost everything in the early game of RBY is recognizable and well known in the greater public consciousness. This also includes Spearow, Caterpie, and Weedle, along with their respective evolutions.

Rattata is well known in the same sense that Zubat and Tentacool are well known in a way. It and Pidgey are in just about every field route in RBY, at least one of them, much like how Geodude and Zubat are near constants in caves and Tentacool is everywhere while you surf on water routes. Which has made them distinctly recognizable in the public consciousness as "common and annoying wild spawns".

There are different categories of recognizable Pokemon among the original 151 I feel. There's the distinctly iconic and marketable ones, which are the three starter lines (Charizard most of all), Pikachu, Eevee, Lapras, Snorlax, the three legendary birds, Dragonite, Mewtwo, and Mew to name a few, and then there's stuff that's common in the game that everyone at least knows the name of, like Rattata, Zubat, Pidgey, etc. And Onix, since it's the very first boss fight in the game.

Almost everything in the beginning part of the Kanto dex is recognizable, including the bugs, Pidgey, Rattata, and Spearow, as is the stuff towards the end, like the legendaries, Dragonite, Snorlax, the fossils, Ditto, and Magikarp+Gyarados. It's the stuff in the middle of the dex that tends to be obscure. Stuff like Goldeen and Doduo.

As for Rattata, it and Pidgey are the weird kind of Pokemon that inspired Pokemon who were made in their image and they repeated that "archetype" for every game for each new roster of Pokemon. Rattata has a lot of expies, and basically at least one per new generation: Sentret, Zigzagoon, Bidoof, Patrat, Bunnelby, Yungoos and Alolan Rattata, Skwovet and Wooloo, and last but not least Lechonk. Whereas Zubat and Tentacool largely kept reprising their classic roles game after game.

Heavily disagree. Onix isn’t really seen as memorable or iconic either, imo.
 
It definitely is iconic - staple member of Brock’s team for nearly 30 years in various media.
Eh, Brock is iconic, bit Onix? Misty is just as iconic as Brock for similar reasons and I wouldn't call Staryu or Starmie iconic. Psyduck is iconic but that's because it had a running gag in the show, and like, a personality. Onix was pretty much just a Pokemon Brock uses in battle, to the point where when I think of Brock from the show, my mind goes first to Zubat and Vulpix.
 
Eh, Brock is iconic, bit Onix? Misty is just as iconic as Brock for similar reasons and I wouldn't call Staryu or Starmie iconic. Psyduck is iconic but that's because it had a running gag in the show, and like, a personality. Onix was pretty much just a Pokemon Brock uses in battle, to the point where when I think of Brock from the show, my mind goes first to Zubat and Vulpix.
Yes, if the show was the only thing that mattered.

But Brock has been seen in the videogames, anime, TCG and other forms of media. I mean in TCG pocket which is the latest form, the Brock card is specifically for Onix.

I mean, maybe this is a subjective matter, maybe we all have our red lines and thoughts on it, but I think a Gym Leader's main Pokémon - particularly one which has been repeated so often as the Gen 1 gym leaders - are probably iconic. So I would refute your point and say that Onix and Starmie, for sure, are iconic Pokes.
 
Feel like the real subjective element here is "Do you think that if something is recognizable, it is inherently iconic"
It's a pretty distinct simple design, Brock's in various media and often with the Onix since it's his ace, so I'm certain if you showed it to people they would go "oh yeah, onix!", but personally I don't think I'd put it on the level of "iconic".
 
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