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Considering the timelines of both game development and movie development, I do think that it's feasible that what became Latias/Latios & Elhawk (which further became Blaziken) was something being designed so that the movie had some legends to show off from the upcoming game, followed by then spinning those pokemon out.

Like it seems like development really kicked off in earnest in 2001 and then oh hey by October they've already trademarked Latias & Latios, November 2001 minimum we already have near finalized sprites of them, and then they tease them with the 5th movie teaser that december. They were in the game before they finalized Kyogre & Groudon even, and it'd be a while before the regi even had something beyond their typings planned. It just kinda points that even if they weren't designed by the movie, they were probably designed with it in mind if that tracks
 
It would make a lot of sense(total guesswork here) that:
The movie division said "hey, what are some legendaries in the upcoming games we can use"
The game division had Lati@s reasonably worked out and sent the info over
The movie finished things up and released movie 5
The games took the movie additions/changes and worked them in
The games simultaneously, either through shifting focus or not wanting to retread the movies, minimized the role of Lati@s in the games, adding other legendaries instead

I think it's relevant that Gens 1&2 both had just 2 sets of legends(MewTwo+Birds, Tower Duo+Beasts), while RSE had Weather Trio, Regis, AND Lati@s. It just feels like somewhere along the line, they got a bit off from what they were intending.
 
Also worth mentioning that Elhawk coexisted with Latias & Latios for a long time, not just at the start. It took a while for it to fully turn into Blaziken. & the similarities don't seem to have been lore related or anything. We do have a remnant of a design feedback note that just said it kind of looked... like a Delibird evolution
So despite our general accepted conceit "oh this concept bird thing got turned into these three Pokemon" it kind of seems...entirely coincidental that it happens to look like Latias & Latios. Guess Sugimori just had weird bird creatures in mind?
 
(Didn't know if this was more appropiate here or in the ZA thread since it's so negative. Long rant incoming)

I have yet to play ZA mind you. Despite it being on my self since literal release day, health, academic and even work issues have stopped me from playing it. Amusingly that means that even a month later, and despite knowing *who* they are, I have not seen most Megas.

Today someone made the very "kind" decision of spoiling Zeraora to me regardless with this meme. At a first glance, I assumed it was true.

However the more I look into it...the more I disagree. First of all, this is not actually a new palette of colors, it's the same 3 ones as base Zeraora, just distributed in a different way. Of course, this does make a good visual difference...for like, a shiny or an OC.

I have defended to the death the officially revealed base game Megas. I think they are good, even Dragonite. I can't say the same for Zeraora.

Mega Charizard X works, even of all its industry plant glory, because of various factors. First of all, it's obviously a completely colour change. Orange is done, there are red eyes, the most predominant ones are black and obviously blue. There are face changes, even if they are only flames and differenr horns, apart from more striking red eyes. There are also obvious body changes: "feathered" wings, spikes, even in XY (can't believe I'm saying it) the model is quute different and with less belly, even if it isn't as drastic as with Zard Y. The contrast between black and a simple plain color makes it even easier to pick up on these changes. Of course, it has the Dragon type and turns it into a physical attacker.

Now, Zeraora. There *are* changes. They just seem rather random. The legs stop being fluffly for some reason, but they at least take advantage of the zig zag pattern...even trough is still looks way worse. The rest of the changes? Excluding the yellow top of its head, they are quite literally adding spikes to it. It's literally the meme about making Megas by adding spikes. Like, genuinely amazed at that.

It really doesn't seem like they are doing anything new with the design. So yeah, tecnically they are doing the same as Zard X but with a worse execution, without another different Mega to contrast it with, and without doing nothing new with the concept of Zeraora.

This wouldn't be an issue...if I didn't find the very concept of Zeraora to be so plain and boring. Or if it wasn't a Mythical. I have said before how I consider it to genuinely be the "less Mythical-esque" of all Mythicals. I know that can be argued since people consider Zarude to be so common worse in that regard, but in my eyes a Mythical Pokemon should have something special in either lore or design, or even in gameplay. Zeraora looks like the most generic furry possible, it's a plain Electric type, doesn't have an interesting movepool or statline, doesn't have any kind of lore in-game behind it even related to its movie (yes, I consider rip-off Tarzan simian to be better in that regard because it's something). It being created for said movie is somehow even worse since it feels like such a generic Pokemon even on it. Really seems like they wanted to finish Gen 7 with a non-UB mon but it's even more insulting such a good part of the dex finishes with such a random-looking mon.

Imagine for a moment that Raichu was only getting one of its Megas. X or Y, you can choose. Even on a vaccum, any of them changes more than Zeraora physically despite keeping the pure Electric typing. We can joke about Y being Mega Pikachu and X asking so badly for Fighting type, but they are still doing something different with Raichu. Zeraora isn't. And that's just baffling to me. When it was leaked, I was interested because a Mega could redeem Zeraora for me. But they didn't. And the worst part is that it doesn't even seem lazy in my eyes. It just seems like someone is so confident in base Zeraora they tried their best to make the Mega change the least possible. My question is, why even bother giving it a Mega to start with then? If it was like, Volcanion, I could understand feeling "forced" to pair it with Hoopa and Diancie. But Zeraora had nothing to do with Kalos. Someone decided it needed a Mega, and then did this. I have tried so hard- looking st the trailer (thinking hey, perhaps it looks good in-game and is the contrast between Sugimori artwork and the shitty 3D render, but nope), at the official description, at the leaked staline. There is nor a single interesting thing about it.

I'm honestly glad it didn't make it into Horizons as the Teraleak said, even if I feel really dissapointed in the yellow Lucario. I genuinely think it's the lamest Mega so far in the franchise, and while I could joke about it fitting the lamest Mythical, this has happened so many years later it doesn't make sense to double down on that aspect, not does it feel an intentional joke like with Dudunsparce.
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(Didn't know if this was more appropiate here or in the ZA thread since it's so negative. Long rant incoming)

I have yet to play ZA mind you. Despite it being on my self since literal release day, health, academic and even work issues have stopped me from playing it. Amusingly that means that even a month later, and despite knowing *who* they are, I have not seen most Megas.

Today someone made the very "kind" decision of spoiling Zeraora to me regardless with this meme. At a first glance, I assumed it was true.

However the more I look into it...the more I disagree. First of all, this is not actually a new palette of colors, it's the same 3 ones as base Zeraora, just distributed in a different way. Of course, this does make a good visual difference...for like, a shiny or an OC.

I have defended to the death the officially revealed base game Megas. I think they are good, even Dragonite. I can't say the same for Zeraora.

Mega Charizard X works, even of all its industry plant glory, because of various factors. First of all, it's obviously a completely colour change. Orange is done, there are red eyes, the most predominant ones are black and obviously blue. There are face changes, even if they are only flames and differenr horns, apart from more striking red eyes. There are also obvious body changes: "feathered" wings, spikes, even in XY (can't believe I'm saying it) the model is quute different and with less belly, even if it isn't as drastic as with Zard Y. The contrast between black and a simple plain color makes it even easier to pick up on these changes. Of course, it has the Dragon type and turns it into a physical attacker.

Now, Zeraora. There *are* changes. They just seem rather random. The legs stop being fluffly for some reason, but they at least take advantage of the zig zag pattern...even trough is still looks way worse. The rest of the changes? Excluding the yellow top of its head, they are quite literally adding spikes to it. It's literally the meme about making Megas by adding spikes. Like, genuinely amazed at that.

It really doesn't seem like they are doing anything new with the design. So yeah, tecnically they are doing the same as Zard X but with a worse execution, without another different Mega to contrast it with, and without doing nothing new with the concept of Zeraora.

This wouldn't be an issue...if I didn't find the very concept of Zeraora to be so plain and boring. Or if it wasn't a Mythical. I have said before how I consider it to genuinely be the "less Mythical-esque" of all Mythicals. I know that can be argued since people consider Zarude to be so common worse in that regard, but in my eyes a Mythical Pokemon should have something special in either lore or design, or even in gameplay. Zeraora looks like the most generic furry possible, it's a plain Electric type, doesn't have an interesting movepool or statline, doesn't have any kind of lore in-game behind it even related to its movie (yes, I consider rip-off Tarzan simian to be better in that regard because it's something). It being created for said movie is somehow even worse since it feels like such a generic Pokemon even on it. Really seems like they wanted to finish Gen 7 with a non-UB mon but it's even more insulting such a good part of the dex finishes with such a random-looking mon.

Imagine for a moment that Raichu was only getting one of its Megas. X or Y, you can choose. Even on a vaccum, any of them changes more than Zeraora physically despite keeping the pure Electric typing. We can joke about Y being Mega Pikachu and X asking so badly for Fighting type, but they are still doing something different with Raichu. Zeraora isn't. And that's just baffling to me. When it was leaked, I was interested because a Mega could redeem Zeraora for me. But they didn't. And the worst part is that it doesn't even seem lazy in my eyes. It just seems like someone is so confident in base Zeraora they tried their best to make the Mega change the least possible. My question is, why even bother giving it a Mega to start with then? If it was like, Volcanion, I could understand feeling "forced" to pair it with Hoopa and Diancie. But Zeraora had nothing to do with Kalos. Someone decided it needed a Mega, and then did this. I have tried so hard- looking st the trailer (thinking hey, perhaps it looks good in-game and is the contrast between Sugimori artwork and the shitty 3D render, but nope), at the official description, at the leaked staline. There is nor a single interesting thing about it.

I'm honestly glad it didn't make it into Horizons as the Teraleak said, even if I feel really dissapointed in the yellow Lucario. I genuinely think it's the lamest Mega so far in the franchise, and while I could joke about it fitting the lamest Mythical, this has happened so many years later it doesn't make sense to double down on that aspect, not does it feel an intentional joke like with Dudunsparce.
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Really I think a better point of comparison for anyone looking to “justify” (to be clear, I have no skin in this particular game) Mega Zeraora’s degree of change would probably be like, Mega Aerodactyl, or especially Mega Pidgeot.

I definitely agree that Mega Charizard X is doing a lot more to its base design than Mega Sonic OC is, and indeed most Megas are as well, but I think if one wanted to play the “precendent” card without citing a case like Mega Kangaskhan or Mega Sableye (where the relative lack of change is very much The Point), Mega “Look Ma, I Got Blue Wingtips And A Fresh ‘Do” Pidgeot is right there. Not that I think that actually does much to counter the criticism of Mega Zeraora, since it just points out that they’ve also made a very boring Mega design once before.
 
Really I think a better point of comparison for anyone looking to “justify” (to be clear, I have no skin in this particular game) Mega Zeraora’s degree of change would probably be like, Mega Aerodactyl, or especially Mega Pidgeot.

I definitely agree that Mega Charizard X is doing a lot more to its base design than Mega Sonic OC is, and indeed most Megas are as well, but I think if one wanted to play the “precendent” card without citing a case like Mega Kangaskhan or Mega Sableye (where the relative lack of change is very much The Point), Mega “Look Ma, I Got Blue Wingtips And A Fresh ‘Do” Pidgeot is right there. Not that I think that actually does much to counter the criticism of Mega Zeraora, since it just points out that they’ve also made a very boring Mega design once before.
I will defend Mega Pidgeot from a mechanics standpoint. Since gen 1, the Pidgey has been the Gust user to Spearow's Peck, and No Guard Hurricane makes a fine ultimate state for that. I'd still say Lucario is the worst-designed gen 6 Mega: barely above a palette swap visually and with an Ability that doesn't go anywhere interesting.

Of course, Zeraora is starting out in a game that doesn't have Abilities, so it's going to be harder for it to have a good mechanical backing to compensate for lower visual variety.
 
I will defend Mega Pidgeot from a mechanics standpoint. Since gen 1, the Pidgey has been the Gust user to Spearow's Peck, and No Guard Hurricane makes a fine ultimate state for that. I'd still say Lucario is the worst-designed gen 6 Mega: barely above a palette swap visually and with an Ability that doesn't go anywhere interesting.

Of course, Zeraora is starting out in a game that doesn't have Abilities, so it's going to be harder for it to have a good mechanical backing to compensate for lower visual variety.
I'd argue that Mega Lucario being fairly basic all-around is the point. It's the tutorial Mega in both Kalos games and essentially the mascot of the mechanic building off one of the most popular non-Kanto mons. It makes sense for it to be a solid, uncomplicated attacker with the easiest-to-understand visual changes and combat buffs. It's the shoto of Mega Evolution
 
I'd argue that Mega Lucario being fairly basic all-around is the point. It's the tutorial Mega in both Kalos games and essentially the mascot of the mechanic building off one of the most popular non-Kanto mons. It makes sense for it to be a solid, uncomplicated attacker with the easiest-to-understand visual changes and combat buffs. It's the shoto of Mega Evolution
I also think Mega Lucario is like a shonen protag powerup, with the other mega that gives me these vibes being Mega Blaziken

it just gets edgier and has nonsensical things coming off of it but theres like 100 AMVs about it
(also I've seen a surprising amount of Goku as mega lucario edits over the years lol)
 
Ironically I feel like if Zeraora's color scheme wasn't so uniformly tweaked it would probably come off better? Something about everything being turned black (& blue) feels like it overshadows all the other changes and draws too direct a comparison to its all-white shiny form
 
Trying to settle on a team of six lol. Like I actually think 6, and 3 in comp singles and 4 in vgc, is optimal, it's just way hard in playthrough.

Like in shield rn. I really wanted to try clobbopus and it seems good, but since I'm using kubfu I got, I replaced it. So catching a bunch for good nature was a waste of time XP.
 
Not that I care much about Adventures but it is kind of tragic that they stopped doing remake arcs right before the old regions began receiving a slew of much more substantial new story material to work with. Dia, Pearl and Platinum Berlitz getting dumped in Hisui woulda been a fun set-up, as well as a LZA arc that responds to Adventures' specific telling of the XY story.

Fully cognizant of why they stopped doing these (scheduling misery + hgss and oras not even being received very well, correct?) but still.
 
Water absorb on 4x resists. 2x like lantern is ok imo. Immunities to 4x resists seem weird, maybe I'm picky. Oh! WHILE I love crawdaunt, before that they had kingler which got overshadowed maybe. IDK neither are prevalent, but the 2nd STAB and adaptability do a ton. Kingler has the same SpD problem, but even with more def and spe, I think they made it useless ish. Or idk, it did get a g max. Sheer force ofc isn't bad too, nor is even shell armor...hm. I mostly like bulky stuff but sometimes branch out..maybe ironic that I branch out from my fave grass to water but lol.
 
hgss and oras not even being received very well, correct?

hgss is mid for sure but has its lovers but oras... well ill be honest i think most fans you meet either hate oras or dont like it/didnt get it but tolerate it because they like franticshipping (or rusa ig. do people still use -shipping names anymore lol). and i know it sounds like im just biased or ignoring opinions i dont agree, but really everytime i ask self assigned oras likers what they like abt the arc its 99% just the shipping bait stuff and nothing else LMFAO
 
People tend to dislike oras? I mean maybe I shouldn't post cause that doesn't annoy me so much as shock me, but I love dexnav. Even with improved breeding mechanics on xy, it saves you from using junk abilities and such for playthrough, where possible.
 
People tend to dislike oras? I mean maybe I shouldn't post cause that doesn't annoy me so much as shock me, but I love dexnav. Even with improved breeding mechanics on xy, it saves you from using junk abilities and such for playthrough, where possible.
Baku & dramps are talking about the Adventures manga
 
hgss is mid for sure but has its lovers but oras... well ill be honest i think most fans you meet either hate oras or dont like it/didnt get it but tolerate it because they like franticshipping (or rusa ig. do people still use -shipping names anymore lol). and i know it sounds like im just biased or ignoring opinions i dont agree, but really everytime i ask self assigned oras likers what they like abt the arc its 99% just the shipping bait stuff and nothing else LMFAO
ORAS seems so egregious to me because the ways they had to jam in the game's content wound up requiring some ultra-extreme goofery with the events of the RSE chapter. Like correct me if I'm wrong but Maxie & Archie flat-out die in the manga right? And thus come the ORAS chapter they had to be brought back to life via Distortion World(I think???) multiverse nonsense because We Need The Team Magma & Aqua ORAS Redesigns In Here.

The Legends games, by virtue of being followups to the original games instead of "replacements" would've had a comparatively smoother transition I think
 
Bummed that none of Pokemon Horizons is on DVD.
Like it's available digitally and yeah yeah piracy or whatever, but I like having things on Physical media when I can especially if it's a show. Just a lot easier for me to throw it in a dvd/blueray player and have it on TV rather than doing casting or watching it on the computer.
 
Bummed that none of Pokemon Horizons is on DVD.
Like it's available digitally and yeah yeah piracy or whatever, but I like having things on Physical media when I can especially if it's a show. Just a lot easier for me to throw it in a dvd/blueray player and have it on TV rather than doing casting or watching it on the computer.
I mean, Pokémon hasn't done home media releases for the anime until after the series is done for a while now. And they haven't even released Journeys on DVD in English yet.
 
I mean, Pokémon hasn't done home media releases for the anime until after the series is done for a while now. And they haven't even released Journeys on DVD in English yet.
Incorrect, Journeys (that is, the first season) was released in 3 parts across 2022, Master Journeys as one collection in 2023 and Ultimate Journeys (+To Be A Master) as one collection in 2024.

Following the same trend we should have seen Horizons Season 1 released already.
 
Incorrect, Journeys (that is, the first season) was released in 3 parts across 2022, Master Journeys as one collection in 2023 and Ultimate Journeys (+To Be A Master) as one collection in 2024.

Following the same trend we should have seen Horizons Season 1 released already.
Has it? Apparently Bulbapedia is behind then.

I did say until after the series was done though, Journeys S1 and Master Journeys both ended in 2021, March and December respectively, and Ultimate Journeys and To Be a Master both ended in September 2023. Horizons season 1 only aired its final episode in English a year ago on Sunday.
 
Has it? Apparently Bulbapedia is behind then.

I did say until after the series was done though, Journeys S1 and Master Journeys both ended in 2021, March and December respectively, and Ultimate Journeys and To Be a Master both ended in September 2023. Horizons season 1 only aired its final episode in English a year ago on Sunday.
In other words
Following the same trend we should have seen Horizons Season 1 released already.
 
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