Gen 3 Lugia (ADV Ubers) [QC 2/2] [GP: 2/2]

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[OVERVIEW]

Lugia is a very versatile Pokemon in the ADV Ubers metagame, able to act as an offensive or defensive threat. Its great natural bulk, Pressure, and many good utility moves let it work incredibly well as a catch-all physical wall. Defensively, it fits best on stall teams to shut down many threatening physical wallbreakers such as Groudon and Rayquaza. Lugia also has strong attacks in Aeroblast and Earthquake, allowing it to act as a good wallbreaker with Choice Band and its workable Attack stat. However, Lugia's typing leaves it susceptible to many prevalent offensive types in the metagame such as Electric, Ice, and Ghost from strong attackers like Latios, Deoxys-A, and Kyogre. The defensive set's reliance on Whirlwind to make progress can also be a double-edged sword; it stops setup sweepers before the endgame but exposes Lugia to Substitute sweepers and Immunity Snorlax if they are the last Pokemon remaining.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Whirlwind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Reflect and Whirlwind let Lugia be an effective stop to physical wallbreakers like Groudon, Heracross, and Rayquaza, using Reflect on their attacking moves to take more hits and phazing setup variants that boost too high for even Reflect to handle. Toxic is the main way Lugia makes progress, alongside Whirlwind. Poisoning foes like Ho-Oh severely reduces their longevity, and residual damage from Whirlwind with Spikes makes up for Lugia running no attacking moves. 96 Speed EVs allow Lugia to outrun maximum Speed base 90s with a neutral nature such as Groudon and Kyogre, as well as important slower foes such as Adamant Heracross. Lugia can also afford to run less Speed in favor of a tankier set, with only 16 Speed EVs being needed to outrun and set up Reflect against a -1 Speed Snorlax if Lugia gets paralyzed.

Team Options
========

Lugia fits best on very bulky team structures that utilize its slow pace and walling abilities while defensively covering for its shortcomings. It has multiple exploitable weaknesses to common attacking types like Ghost, Electric, and Ice while also lacking any Special Defense investment. Blissey is a strong switch-in to special attackers like Kyogre, Latios, and Latias, can absorb status from Pokemon like defensive Ho-Oh, and can even provide Lugia with incredible Aromatherapy support. Blissey's Light Screen also lets Lugia take essentially any hit and respond with Toxic or Whirlwind, something important in the Calm Mind Kyogre matchup. Forretress is practically mandatory so Whirlwind can force progress with Spikes. It also provides a Ghost resistance to help against Pokemon like Choice Band Deoxys-A, which can overwhelm even Lugia. Deoxys-D is a good switch-in to most other strong special attacking Psychic-types like Latios and Latias, Mewtwo, and Petaya Berry Deoxys-A, which Lugia cannot handle itself. It also provides the crucial Spikes support Lugia wants and is another Pressure user, allowing for easier PP stalling against opposing defensive teams. Snorlax is one of the better pivots into Latios, Latias, and Mewtwo and has Immunity to cover for Lugia's terrible weakness to Toxic, making it a strong partner as well.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aeroblast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Whirlwind
item: Choice Band
ability: Pressure
nature: Jolly
evs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Choice Band Lugia is a strong and fast wallbreaker, using its good natural bulk to come onto the field multiple times per game. Aeroblast is a strong STAB move and is used most, breaking past most Pokemon that don't resist it. Shadow Ball is used to hit bulky Latias the hardest as well as dent opposing Lugia and Dusclops, which can Pressure stall Aeroblast. Earthquake is needed to threaten Metagross, and it also covers more niche Pokemon like Tyranitar and Steelix. Whirlwind can be a last-ditch effort against setup sweepers, using Lugia's massive natural bulk to stomach a hit and remove a threat like boosted Groudon in a pinch. The Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are needed to outspeed Modest Latias and Latios, and Lugia needs maximum Attack investment for power.

Team Options
========

Magneton is an excellent partner for Lugia, removing Steel-types like Forretress and Skarmory to let it more easily spam Aeroblast. Latios and Latias provide Lugia with a lot of support by switching into Kyogre, which can threaten Lugia with Thunder, as well as being offensive but sturdier Groudon checks in combination with Lugia soft checking it. Deoxys-A appreciates Lugia's ability to bait in and chip Steel-types like Forretress and Metagross, which can take a few hits from Deoxys-A, and Lugia benefits from Deoxys-A baiting in Skarmory, which Lugia can't break with any attack. Fire-type coverage on Pokemon like Snorlax and Metagross in sun is also good for baiting in and weakening Steel-types like Forretress and opposing Metagross.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Ice Beam can be used on either set to threaten Pokemon like Rayquaza and physically defensive Groudon, but its lack of power overall makes it somewhat situational. Recover can heal the Choice Band set on the switches it forces, but it's not a favorable move to be locked into. Toxic can similarly be used in the last moveslot, but it is a risky move to click early, as Steel-types are the traditional Lugia answer.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Steel-types**: Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, Metagross, and Steelix are immune to everything defensive Lugia does aside from phazing them, and the former two can use it to set up Spikes. Many Steel-types also resist Choice Band Lugia's Aeroblast, but Earthquake can still threaten Metagross and Steelix. Skarmory completely walls Lugia and can threaten to use Toxic while also setting up Spikes.

**Latios and Latias**: Equipped with Refresh, Latios and Latias are completely unbothered by defensive Lugia and threaten it out with powerful Thunders or Ice Beams. Both Pokemon can also survive even a Choice Band Shadow Ball from Lugia and revenge kill it.

**Aerodactyl**: Aerodactyl outspeeds Lugia and does massive damage with its strong STAB Rock Slide that can flinch Lugia down. Its Rock typing also lets it pivot into Choice Band Lugia and offensively pressure it.

**Special Wallbreakers**: Strong Thunders from Deoxys-A, Mewtwo, and Kyogre can heavily chip Lugia and threaten paralysis, breaking through its massive bulk quite easily.

**Status**: Blissey, Skarmory, Ho-Oh, and opposing Lugia all commonly carry Toxic, which heavily limits Lugia's long-term defensive capabilities. Thunder Wave from Pokemon like Kyogre and Groudon does the same, letting Lugia get beat out by Rock Slide Groudon and Roar Kyogre, as well as others like Heracross.

**Ho-Oh**: Defensive Ho-Oh can tank even Choice Band Aeroblast and use Pressure to stall Lugia out of moves to threaten it. Ho-Oh also carries Toxic and Sacred Fire commonly, threatening Lugia with a very debilitating status.

**Taunt**: Fast Taunt users such as Deoxys-S, Gengar, and Mewtwo completely shut down defensive Lugia; however, they don't bother Choice Band sets.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[SuperEpicAmpharos, 306959], [Inspirited, 127823]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [Muk, 33374]]

 

[Fc]

Sorry for the delay but this should be QC ready now

 

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Was given 1/2 by SEA on discord after the changes and edited this to paragraph form so it's ready for its second check

 

[Inspirited]

Lugia also has solid coverage options with high BP and a decent Attack stat, allowing it to act as a strong breaker with Choice Band.

This is a bit misleading as Lugia's Attack isn't what makes it dangerous, it is high BP of STAB Aeroblast and SE Earthquake that make it strong. Nothing else has a 150 power Flying move (that has a 1/8 crit rate) and the lack of Attack really shows when Lugia has to use Shadow Ball at any time or non SE Earthquake.


Tough Bird:
With the fat bird, something that should also be mentioned in Set Comments is that just about any Speed investment gives paralyzed Lugia the ability to outspeed -1 Spe Curselax so that it might safely put up Reflect before attempting to Whirlwind. The current spread already does this with Speed to spare.

In team options, Blissey's section should be expanded to include the Light Screen it sometimes puts up that allows high health Lugia to phaze literally everything that can ever be phazed. This is really, really helpful when handling CM Kyogre and if you wish to let Blissey abuse Latias safely to heal the team's status problems on sun stall.


CB:
CB bird looks alright for the most part. I really don't like Ice Beam though. I find that all it really does is allow Lugia to fish for freezes in the rain as it will never OHKO a Ray. My own personal preferences in that slot either Whirlwind or Recover with Whirlwind making the issue with Steels (other than that annoying skarmbird) and Groudon less apparent with Spikes and giving it the ability to phaze any Salac mon in an emergency assuming it hasn't taken the one hit it is supposed to take yet. Recover just allows it to maybe abuse Pressure and makes it rather obnoxious to some offenses as it gets to take that one hit again if it finds a chance to use it. Whirlwind should be onset and Recover as an OO mention I think. Ice Beam stays in OO.



C&C :
Defense invested Ho-Oh is hilariously annoying to CB Lugia as it only has 4 Aeroblasts and Ho-Oh only has to use 5-6 Recovers in order to make a CB Lugia pretty much useless though the crit rate makes this somewhat dangerous.

 

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This is a bit misleading as Lugia's Attack isn't what makes it dangerous, it is high BP of STAB Aeroblast and SE Earthquake that make it strong. Nothing else has a 150 power Flying move (that has a 1/8 crit rate) and the lack of Attack really shows when Lugia has to use Shadow Ball at any time or non SE Earthquake.


Tough Bird:
With the fat bird, something that should also be mentioned in Set Comments is that just about any Speed investment gives paralyzed Lugia the ability to outspeed -1 Spe Curselax so that it might safely put up Reflect before attempting to Whirlwind. The current spread already does this with Speed to spare.

In team options, Blissey's section should be expanded to include the Light Screen it sometimes puts up that allows high health Lugia to phaze literally everything that can ever be phazed. This is really, really helpful when handling CM Kyogre and if you wish to let Blissey abuse Latias safely to heal the team's status problems on sun stall.


CB:
CB bird looks alright for the most part. I really don't like Ice Beam though. I find that all it really does is allow Lugia to fish for freezes in the rain as it will never OHKO a Ray. My own personal preferences in that slot either Whirlwind or Recover with Whirlwind making the issue with Steels (other than that annoying skarmbird) and Groudon less apparent with Spikes and giving it the ability to phaze any Salac mon in an emergency assuming it hasn't taken the one hit it is supposed to take yet. Recover just allows it to maybe abuse Pressure and makes it rather obnoxious to some offenses as it gets to take that one hit again if it finds a chance to use it. Whirlwind should be onset and Recover as an OO mention I think. Ice Beam stays in OO.



C&C :
Defense invested Ho-Oh is hilariously annoying to CB Lugia as it only has 4 Aeroblasts and Ho-Oh only has to use 5-6 Recovers in order to make a CB Lugia pretty much useless though the crit rate makes this somewhat dangerous.

Implemented this, for the first point I wasn't really sure how to change what I had to really explain that part since I had tried to focus on the coverage moves first, so I just took some focus off its attack stat since it isn't all that with just base 90 and focused more on the power of aeroblast and eq.

 

[Inspirited]

qc 2/2

 

[MMII]

toxic and thunder are good fillers on cb lugia

i actually don't like magneton all the much with lugia. it's a good partner, ofc, but it stretches your build and cb lugia doesn't help to compensate for that really. i think fire blast "lures" like lax, meta, etc are a lot better as partners. boomers are also great cause you just need to force chip on skarmory. (since nobody uses steelix anymore smh)

featherdance fat lugia is cool to beat up last mon snorlax while still functioning similarly to reflect.

 

[Adeleine]

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[OVERVIEW]

Lugia is a very versatile Pokemon in the ADV Ubers metagame, being able to act as an offensive and or defensive threat. Its great natural bulk, access to Pressure, and many good utility moves let it work incredibly effectively as a catch all physically defensive well as a catch-all physical wall. Defensively, (AC) it fits best on stall teams with multiple other bulky partners looking for Lugia to shut down many threatening physical wallbreakers such as Groudon and Rayquaza. Lugia also has strong coverage options with attacks in Aeroblast and Earthquake, allowing it to act as a good wallbreaker with Choice Band and its workable Attack stat. However, Lugia's Psychic and Flying typing leaves it susceptible to many prevalent offensive types in the metagame such as Electric, Ice, and Ghost from strong attackers like Latios, Deoxys-A, and Kyogre. Its The defensive set's reliance on Whirlwind to make progress with the defensive set can also be a double edged sword, because while it stops set up sweepers, doing so requires multiple Pokemon on the opposing team to be alive, meaning set up sweepers with Substitute or Immunity Snorlax can break it if they are the last Pokemon alive for the opponent. can also be a double-edged sword; it stops setup sweepers before the endgame but exposes Lugia to Substitute sweepers and Immunity Snorlax if they are the last Pokemon alive.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Whirlwind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Lugia's naturally high bulk combined with Reflect, reliable recovery, and Pressure makes it an incredibly durable wall in the metagame. It typically fits the best on very bulky team structures that have ways of utilizing its slow pace and walling abilities while defensively covering for its shortcomings. (moved second part to team options) Reflect and Whirlwind let it Lugia be an effective stop to many physical wallbreakers like Groudon, Heracross, and Rayquaza, using Reflect on their attacking moves to take more hits and phazing if they're set up setup variants that boost too high for even Reflect to handle. Toxic is the main way Lugia itself makes progress, (AC) alongside Whirlwind. Poisoning foes like Ho-Oh severely reduces their longevity, and Whirlwind in combination with Spikes adds more residual damage that residual damage from Whirlwind with Spikes makes up for Lugia running no attacking moves itself. 96 Speed EVs allows Lugia to outrun maximum Speed base 90s (removed apostrophe) with a neutral nature such as Groudon and Kyogre, (AC) as well as important lower jumps slower foes such as Adamant Heracross, with the leftover EVs going into making it as bulky as possible on the physical side. Lugia can also afford to run less Speed in favour of a tankier set, with only 16 Speed EVs being needed to outrun a -1 Speed Snorlax if Lugia gets paralyzed, (AC) which is important to set up Reflect against.

Team Options
========

Lugia fits best on very bulky team structures that utilize its slow pace and walling abilities while defensively covering for its shortcomings. It has multiple exploitable weaknesses to common attacking types like Ghost, Electric, and Ice (RC) while also not investing into its Special Defense at all, making Pokemon which resist those types or can take on the main users of their strong attacks are greatly appreciated. Blissey makes for a great partner to Lugia, being a strong switch-in to many special attackers like Kyogre, Latios, and Latias as well as being a status absorber to wall Pokemon like defensive Ho-Oh using Toxic. Blissey also has access to Aromatherapy in case Lugia gets hit with status which is incredible support. Light Screen support that Blissey provides is also very helpful, allowing Lugia to take essentially any hit and status or phaze a lot of threats, something important in the Calm Mind Kyogre matchup. Forretress is a near mandatory teammate for defensive Lugia on stall builds, due to it not being able to force progress with Whirlwind unless Spikes are set, which Forretress provides. all. Blissey is a strong switch-in to many special attackers like Kyogre, Latios, and Latias, as well as absorbing status from Pokemon like defensive Ho-Oh and even providing Lugia incredible Aromatherapy support. Blissey's Light Screen also lets Lugia take essentially any hit and status or phaze, something important in the Calm Mind Kyogre matchup. Forretress is near mandatory so Whirlwind can force progress with Spikes. It also gives a Ghost resistance to help against Pokemon like Choice Band Deoxys-A, (AC) which can overwhelm Lugia even through its physical bulk. even Lugia. Deoxys-D is a good switch-in to most other strong special attacking Psychic-types like Latios and Latias, Mewtwo, and Petaya Berry Deoxys-A, (AC) which Lugia cannot handle itself. It also provides the crucial Spikes support Lugia wants and is another Pressure user, allowing for easier PP stalling against opposing defensive teams. Snorlax is one of the better pivots into the Lati twins and Latios, Latias, and Mewtwo while also having Immunity to cover for Lugia's terrible weakness to Toxic, making it a strong partner as well.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aeroblast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Whirlwind
item: Choice Band
ability: Pressure
nature: Jolly
evs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Choice Band Lugia is a strong and fast wallbreaker, using its good natural bulk to come on the field multiple times a game and break through walls. Aeroblast is strong STAB which is the move a strong STAB move and is used most, breaking past most Pokemon that don't resist it. Shadow Ball is used to hit bulky Latias the hardest as well as denting opposing Lugia and Dusclops, (AC) which can Pressure stall Aeroblast. Metagross is a natural obstacle to Lugia using any other move, so Earthquake is needed for that match up Earthquake is needed to threaten Metagross, as well as being a harder hit against more niche Pokemon like Tyranitar and Steelix. Whirlwind can be a last ditch effort against setup (was "set up") sweepers, using Lugia's massive natural bulk to stomach a hit and remove a threat in a pinch which can be crucial against boosted Pokemon like Groudon. Max attack investment for power is needed, with the Speed EVs being used with Jolly Nature to outspeed Modest Latias and Latios and the rest invested into HP for overall bulk. like boosted Groudon in a pinch. The Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are to outspeed Modest Latias and Latios, and Lugia needs maximum Attack investment for power.

Team Options
========

Magneton is an excellent partner for Lugia, removing Steel-types like Forretress and Skarmory to easier let it spam its attacks let it more easily spam Aeroblast. (I imagine? eq hitting them anyway and sball kinda weak. lmk if this should be reverted tho) Latios and Latias provide Choice Band Lugia with a lot of support, switching into Kyogre, (AC) which can threaten Lugia it with Thunder, (AC) as well as being offensive but more sturdy sturdier Groudon checks in combination with Lugia soft checking it. Deoxys-A appreciates Lugia's ability to bait in and chip Steel-types like Forretress and Metagross, (AC) which can take a few hits from it, and Lugia benefits from Deoxys-A baiting in Skarmory, (AC) which is something it can't break with any attack. Fire-type coverage on Pokemon like Snorlax and Metagross in sun is also good support, assiting in baiting for baiting in and weakening Steel-types like Forretress and opopsing Metagross to weaken them for Lugia. opposing Metagross.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Ice Beam can be used on either set to threaten Pokemon like Rayquaza and physically defensive Groudon, but its lack of power overall makes it somewhat inconsistent when compared to the tank sets status moves or the power of the Choice Band sets coverage options. Recover can also be ran on the Choice Band set to keep it around a bit longer and heal on the switches it forces, but its not a favourable situational. Recover can heal the Choice Band set on the switches it forces, but it's not a favorable move to be locked into. Toxic can similarly be used in the last moveslot, but it is a risky move to click early, (AC) as Steel-types are the traditional Lugia answer meaning it won't deal anything to them.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Steel-types**: Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, Metagross, and Steelix are immune to everything defensive Lugia does aside from phazing them, while and the former two can use it to set up Spikes. Many Steel-types also resist Choice Band Lugia's Aeroblast also is resisted by many Steel-types, but Earthquake can still threaten Metagross and Steelix. Skarmory completely walls it and can threaten to Toxic it use Toxic while also setting up Spikes.

**Latios and Latias**: Equipped with Refresh, the Lati twins Latios and Latias are completely unbothered by defensive Lugia and threaten it out with powerful Thunders or Ice Beams. Both Pokemon can also survive even a Choice Band Shadow Ball from Lugia and act as revenge killers to it. revenge kill it.

**Aerodactyl**: Aerodactyl's high Speed and strong STAB Rock Slide lets it deal massive damage to Lugia while outspeeding and being able to flinch it down. Its rock typing also lets it pivot into Choice Band Lugia and put offensive pressure on. Aerodactyl outspeeds Lugia and does massive damage with its strong STAB Rock Slide that can flinch Lugia down. Its Rock typing also lets it pivot into Choice Band Lugia and offensively pressure it.

**Special Wallbreakers**: Strong Thunders from Deoxys-A, Mewtwo, and Kyogre can heavily chip Lugia and threaten paralysis, breaking through its massive bulk quite easily.

**Status**: Blissey, Skarmory, Ho-Oh, and opposing Lugia all commonly carry Toxic, and this extremely limits the defensive capabilities of Lugia which extremely limits Lugia's defensive capabilities long term. Thunder Wave from Pokemon like Kyogre and Groudon also severely limit Lugia's defensive capabilities, letting it does the same, letting Lugia get beat out by Rock Slide Groudon and Roar Kyogre, (AC) themselves as well as others like Heracross.

**Ho-Oh**: Defensive Ho-Oh can tank even Choice Band Aeroblast and use Pressure to stall Lugia out of moves to threaten it. Ho-Oh also carries Toxic and Sacred Fire commonly, threatening Lugia with a very debilitating status against Lugia.

**Taunt**: Fast Taunt users such as Deoxys-S, Gengar, or and Mewtwo completely shut down defensive Lugia from doing anything, however Choice Band is unbothered by them Lugia; however, they don't bother Choice Band sets.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[SuperEpicAmpharos, 306959], [Inspirited, 127823]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

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[OVERVIEW]

Lugia is a very versatile Pokemon in the ADV Ubers metagame, being able to act as an offensive and or defensive threat. Its great natural bulk, access to Pressure, and many good utility moves let it work incredibly effectively as a catch all physically defensive well as a catch-all physical wall. Defensively, (AC) it fits best on stall teams with multiple other bulky partners looking for Lugia to shut down many threatening physical wallbreakers such as Groudon and Rayquaza. Lugia also has strong coverage options with attacks in Aeroblast and Earthquake, allowing it to act as a good wallbreaker with Choice Band and its workable Attack stat. However, Lugia's Psychic and Flying typing leaves it susceptible to many prevalent offensive types in the metagame such as Electric, Ice, and Ghost from strong attackers like Latios, Deoxys-A, and Kyogre. Its The defensive set's reliance on Whirlwind to make progress with the defensive set can also be a double edged sword, because while it stops set up sweepers, doing so requires multiple Pokemon on the opposing team to be alive, meaning set up sweepers with Substitute or Immunity Snorlax can break it if they are the last Pokemon alive for the opponent. can also be a double-edged sword; it stops setup sweepers before the endgame but exposes Lugia to Substitute sweepers and Immunity Snorlax if they are the last Pokemon alive.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Whirlwind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Lugia's naturally high bulk combined with Reflect, reliable recovery, and Pressure makes it an incredibly durable wall in the metagame. It typically fits the best on very bulky team structures that have ways of utilizing its slow pace and walling abilities while defensively covering for its shortcomings. (moved second part to team options) Reflect and Whirlwind let it Lugia be an effective stop to many physical wallbreakers like Groudon, Heracross, and Rayquaza, using Reflect on their attacking moves to take more hits and phazing if they're set up setup variants that boost too high for even Reflect to handle. Toxic is the main way Lugia itself makes progress, (AC) alongside Whirlwind. Poisoning foes like Ho-Oh severely reduces their longevity, and Whirlwind in combination with Spikes adds more residual damage that residual damage from Whirlwind with Spikes makes up for Lugia running no attacking moves itself. 96 Speed EVs allows Lugia to outrun maximum Speed base 90s (removed apostrophe) with a neutral nature such as Groudon and Kyogre, (AC) as well as important lower jumps slower foes such as Adamant Heracross, with the leftover EVs going into making it as bulky as possible on the physical side. Lugia can also afford to run less Speed in favour of a tankier set, with only 16 Speed EVs being needed to outrun a -1 Speed Snorlax if Lugia gets paralyzed, (AC) which is important to set up Reflect against.

Team Options
========

Lugia fits best on very bulky team structures that utilize its slow pace and walling abilities while defensively covering for its shortcomings. It has multiple exploitable weaknesses to common attacking types like Ghost, Electric, and Ice (RC) while also not investing into its Special Defense at all, making Pokemon which resist those types or can take on the main users of their strong attacks are greatly appreciated. Blissey makes for a great partner to Lugia, being a strong switch-in to many special attackers like Kyogre, Latios, and Latias as well as being a status absorber to wall Pokemon like defensive Ho-Oh using Toxic. Blissey also has access to Aromatherapy in case Lugia gets hit with status which is incredible support. Light Screen support that Blissey provides is also very helpful, allowing Lugia to take essentially any hit and status or phaze a lot of threats, something important in the Calm Mind Kyogre matchup. Forretress is a near mandatory teammate for defensive Lugia on stall builds, due to it not being able to force progress with Whirlwind unless Spikes are set, which Forretress provides. all. Blissey is a strong switch-in to many special attackers like Kyogre, Latios, and Latias, as well as absorbing status from Pokemon like defensive Ho-Oh and even providing Lugia incredible Aromatherapy support. Blissey's Light Screen also lets Lugia take essentially any hit and status or phaze, something important in the Calm Mind Kyogre matchup. Forretress is near mandatory so Whirlwind can force progress with Spikes. It also gives a Ghost resistance to help against Pokemon like Choice Band Deoxys-A, (AC) which can overwhelm Lugia even through its physical bulk. even Lugia. Deoxys-D is a good switch-in to most other strong special attacking Psychic-types like Latios and Latias, Mewtwo, and Petaya Berry Deoxys-A, (AC) which Lugia cannot handle itself. It also provides the crucial Spikes support Lugia wants and is another Pressure user, allowing for easier PP stalling against opposing defensive teams. Snorlax is one of the better pivots into the Lati twins and Latios, Latias, and Mewtwo while also having Immunity to cover for Lugia's terrible weakness to Toxic, making it a strong partner as well.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aeroblast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Whirlwind
item: Choice Band
ability: Pressure
nature: Jolly
evs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Choice Band Lugia is a strong and fast wallbreaker, using its good natural bulk to come on the field multiple times a game and break through walls. Aeroblast is strong STAB which is the move a strong STAB move and is used most, breaking past most Pokemon that don't resist it. Shadow Ball is used to hit bulky Latias the hardest as well as denting opposing Lugia and Dusclops, (AC) which can Pressure stall Aeroblast. Metagross is a natural obstacle to Lugia using any other move, so Earthquake is needed for that match up Earthquake is needed to threaten Metagross, as well as being a harder hit against more niche Pokemon like Tyranitar and Steelix. Whirlwind can be a last ditch effort against setup (was "set up") sweepers, using Lugia's massive natural bulk to stomach a hit and remove a threat in a pinch which can be crucial against boosted Pokemon like Groudon. Max attack investment for power is needed, with the Speed EVs being used with Jolly Nature to outspeed Modest Latias and Latios and the rest invested into HP for overall bulk. like boosted Groudon in a pinch. The Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are to outspeed Modest Latias and Latios, and Lugia needs maximum Attack investment for power.

Team Options
========

Magneton is an excellent partner for Lugia, removing Steel-types like Forretress and Skarmory to easier let it spam its attacks let it more easily spam Aeroblast. (I imagine? eq hitting them anyway and sball kinda weak. lmk if this should be reverted tho) Latios and Latias provide Choice Band Lugia with a lot of support, switching into Kyogre, (AC) which can threaten Lugia it with Thunder, (AC) as well as being offensive but more sturdy sturdier Groudon checks in combination with Lugia soft checking it. Deoxys-A appreciates Lugia's ability to bait in and chip Steel-types like Forretress and Metagross, (AC) which can take a few hits from it, and Lugia benefits from Deoxys-A baiting in Skarmory, (AC) which is something it can't break with any attack. Fire-type coverage on Pokemon like Snorlax and Metagross in sun is also good support, assiting in baiting for baiting in and weakening Steel-types like Forretress and opopsing Metagross to weaken them for Lugia. opposing Metagross.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Ice Beam can be used on either set to threaten Pokemon like Rayquaza and physically defensive Groudon, but its lack of power overall makes it somewhat inconsistent when compared to the tank sets status moves or the power of the Choice Band sets coverage options. Recover can also be ran on the Choice Band set to keep it around a bit longer and heal on the switches it forces, but its not a favourable situational. Recover can heal the Choice Band set on the switches it forces, but it's not a favorable move to be locked into. Toxic can similarly be used in the last moveslot, but it is a risky move to click early, (AC) as Steel-types are the traditional Lugia answer meaning it won't deal anything to them.

Checks and Counters
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**Steel-types**: Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, Metagross, and Steelix are immune to everything defensive Lugia does aside from phazing them, while and the former two can use it to set up Spikes. Many Steel-types also resist Choice Band Lugia's Aeroblast also is resisted by many Steel-types, but Earthquake can still threaten Metagross and Steelix. Skarmory completely walls it and can threaten to Toxic it use Toxic while also setting up Spikes.

**Latios and Latias**: Equipped with Refresh, the Lati twins Latios and Latias are completely unbothered by defensive Lugia and threaten it out with powerful Thunders or Ice Beams. Both Pokemon can also survive even a Choice Band Shadow Ball from Lugia and act as revenge killers to it. revenge kill it.

**Aerodactyl**: Aerodactyl's high Speed and strong STAB Rock Slide lets it deal massive damage to Lugia while outspeeding and being able to flinch it down. Its rock typing also lets it pivot into Choice Band Lugia and put offensive pressure on. Aerodactyl outspeeds Lugia and does massive damage with its strong STAB Rock Slide that can flinch Lugia down. Its Rock typing also lets it pivot into Choice Band Lugia and offensively pressure it.

**Special Wallbreakers**: Strong Thunders from Deoxys-A, Mewtwo, and Kyogre can heavily chip Lugia and threaten paralysis, breaking through its massive bulk quite easily.

**Status**: Blissey, Skarmory, Ho-Oh, and opposing Lugia all commonly carry Toxic, and this extremely limits the defensive capabilities of Lugia which extremely limits Lugia's defensive capabilities long term. Thunder Wave from Pokemon like Kyogre and Groudon also severely limit Lugia's defensive capabilities, letting it does the same, letting Lugia get beat out by Rock Slide Groudon and Roar Kyogre, (AC) themselves as well as others like Heracross.

**Ho-Oh**: Defensive Ho-Oh can tank even Choice Band Aeroblast and use Pressure to stall Lugia out of moves to threaten it. Ho-Oh also carries Toxic and Sacred Fire commonly, threatening Lugia with a very debilitating status against Lugia.

**Taunt**: Fast Taunt users such as Deoxys-S, Gengar, or and Mewtwo completely shut down defensive Lugia from doing anything, however Choice Band is unbothered by them Lugia; however, they don't bother Choice Band sets.

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- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[SuperEpicAmpharos, 306959], [Inspirited, 127823]]
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[OVERVIEW]

Lugia is a very versatile Pokemon in the ADV Ubers metagame, being able to act as an offensive or defensive threat. Its great natural bulk, access to Pressure, and many good utility moves let it work incredibly well as a catch-all physical wall. Defensively, it fits best on stall teams to shut down many threatening physical wallbreakers such as Groudon and Rayquaza. Lugia also has strong attacks in Aeroblast and Earthquake, allowing it to act as a good wallbreaker with Choice Band and its workable Attack stat. However, Lugia's typing leaves it susceptible to many prevalent offensive types in the metagame such as Electric, Ice, and Ghost from strong attackers like Latios, Deoxys-A, and Kyogre. The defensive set's reliance on Whirlwind to make progress can also be a double-edged sword; it stops setup sweepers before the endgame but exposes Lugia to Substitute sweepers and Immunity Snorlax if they are the last Pokemon remaining.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Whirlwind
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
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Reflect and Whirlwind let Lugia be an effective stop to many physical wallbreakers like Groudon, Heracross, and Rayquaza, using Reflect on their attacking moves to take more hits and phazing setup variants that boost too high for even Reflect to handle. Toxic is the main way Lugia itself makes progress, alongside Whirlwind. Poisoning foes like Ho-Oh severely reduces their longevity, and residual damage from Whirlwind with Spikes makes up for Lugia running no attacking moves. 96 Speed EVs allow Lugia to outrun maximum Speed base 90s with a neutral nature such as Groudon and Kyogre, as well as important slower foes such as Adamant Heracross. Lugia can also afford to run less Speed in favor of a tankier set, with only 16 Speed EVs being needed to outrun and set up Reflect against a -1 Speed Snorlax if Lugia gets paralyzed, which is important to set up Reflect against.

Team Options
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Lugia fits best on very bulky team structures that utilize its slow pace and walling abilities while defensively covering for its shortcomings. It has multiple exploitable weaknesses to common attacking types like Ghost, Electric, and Ice while also lacking any Special Defense investment. Blissey is a strong switch-in to many special attackers like Kyogre, Latios, and Latias, can absorb status from Pokemon like defensive Ho-Oh, and can even provide Lugia with incredible Aromatherapy support. Blissey's Light Screen also lets Lugia take essentially any hit and respond with Toxic or Whirlwind, something important in the Calm Mind Kyogre matchup. Forretress is practically mandatory so Whirlwind can force progress with Spikes. It also provides a Ghost resistance to help against Pokemon like Choice Band Deoxys-A, which can overwhelm even Lugia. Deoxys-D is a good switch-in to most other strong special attacking Psychic-types like Latios and Latias, Mewtwo, and Petaya Berry Deoxys-A, which Lugia cannot handle itself. It also provides the crucial Spikes support Lugia wants and is another Pressure user, allowing for easier PP stalling against opposing defensive teams. Snorlax is one of the better pivots into Latios, Latias, and Mewtwo and has Immunity to cover for Lugia's terrible weakness to Toxic, making it a strong partner as well.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Aeroblast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Whirlwind
item: Choice Band
ability: Pressure
nature: Jolly
evs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
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Choice Band Lugia is a strong and fast wallbreaker, using its good natural bulk to come onto the field multiple times per game. Aeroblast is a strong STAB move and is used most, breaking past most Pokemon that don't resist it. Shadow Ball is used to hit bulky Latias the hardest as well as dent opposing Lugia and Dusclops, which can Pressure stall Aeroblast. Earthquake is needed to threaten Metagross, and it also covers more niche Pokemon like Tyranitar and Steelix. Whirlwind can be a last-ditch effort against setup sweepers, using Lugia's massive natural bulk to stomach a hit and remove a threat like boosted Groudon in a pinch. The Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are needed to outspeed Modest Latias and Latios, and Lugia needs maximum Attack investment for power.

Team Options
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Magneton is an excellent partner for Lugia, removing Steel-types like Forretress and Skarmory to let it more easily spam Aeroblast. Latios and Latias provide Lugia with a lot of support by switching into Kyogre, which can threaten Lugia with Thunder, as well as being offensive but sturdier Groudon checks in combination with Lugia soft checking it. Deoxys-A appreciates Lugia's ability to bait in and chip Steel-types like Forretress and Metagross, which can take a few hits from Deoxys-A, and Lugia benefits from Deoxys-A baiting in Skarmory, which Lugia can't break with any attack. Fire-type coverage on Pokemon like Snorlax and Metagross in sun is also good for baiting in and weakening Steel-types like Forretress and opposing Metagross.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Ice Beam can be used on either set to threaten Pokemon like Rayquaza and physically defensive Groudon, but its lack of power overall makes it somewhat situational. Recover can heal the Choice Band set on the switches it forces, but it's not a favorable move to be locked into. Toxic can similarly be used in the last moveslot, but it is a risky move to click early, as Steel-types are the traditional Lugia answer.

Checks and Counters
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**Steel-types**: Pokemon such as Forretress, Skarmory, Metagross, and Steelix are immune to everything defensive Lugia does aside from phazing them, and the former two can use it to set up Spikes. Many Steel-types also resist Choice Band Lugia's Aeroblast, but Earthquake can still threaten Metagross and Steelix. Skarmory completely walls Lugia and can threaten to use Toxic while also setting up Spikes.

**Latios and Latias**: Equipped with Refresh, Latios and Latias are completely unbothered by defensive Lugia and threaten it out with powerful Thunders or Ice Beams. Both Pokemon can also survive even a Choice Band Shadow Ball from Lugia and revenge kill it.

**Aerodactyl**: Aerodactyl outspeeds Lugia and does massive damage with its strong STAB Rock Slide that can flinch Lugia down. Its Rock typing also lets it pivot into Choice Band Lugia and offensively pressure it.

**Special Wallbreakers**: Strong Thunders from Deoxys-A, Mewtwo, and Kyogre can heavily chip Lugia and threaten paralysis, breaking through its massive bulk quite easily.

**Status**: Blissey, Skarmory, Ho-Oh, and opposing Lugia all commonly carry Toxic, which heavily limits Lugia's long-term defensive capabilities long term. Thunder Wave from Pokemon like Kyogre and Groudon does the same, letting Lugia get beat out by Rock Slide Groudon and Roar Kyogre, as well as others like Heracross.

**Ho-Oh**: Defensive Ho-Oh can tank even Choice Band Aeroblast and use Pressure to stall Lugia out of moves to threaten it. Ho-Oh also carries Toxic and Sacred Fire commonly, threatening Lugia with a very debilitating status.

**Taunt**: Fast Taunt users such as Deoxys-S, Gengar, and Mewtwo completely shut down defensive Lugia; however, they don't bother Choice Band sets.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[SuperEpicAmpharos, 306959], [Inspirited, 127823]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

 

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