NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

mekkah on a reread:
earlygame he didnt do much until prodded, but could just be new town. nai
1187 (p48) is interesting to me bc i dont think the logic checks out there. we should feel bad current gamestate is stagnant, now feels sus that the gamestate is no longer stagnant? what made me think especially was how this could be an accidental tmi from a new player. eod, high, pressure, the vote just cfd'd onto someone they know are town so they try to do some last-second defending to seem better. it is kind of a stretch tho.
nothing after that has really pinged me. mekkahs becomes more active ig but nai still
okay uhh he totally did what i just mentioned above wrt aligning with bd too LOL. twice is a pattern. i dont think mekkah has done anything else particularly scummy yet but i think im goign to watch them more now
 
on a reread:
i still think dbd's d1 and early d2 are still horrendous per my previous reasoning
dbd's suggestion to consolidate the wagons is interesting. he specifically psuhes himself/ne/bd. im not sure what this indicates but it pinged me
he keeps asking ppl to towncase themselves/mafiacase other which is kinda weird to me. i dont think the former is very effective bc if you're just going to take their word for it and not seek out a towncase on them themselves thats not really solving imo. the latter is even worse bc you're forcing ppl into 1v1s against each other for no reason whatif they dont even scumread each other? he says tis to "see solving ability" which then you're basically policy voting ppl in a not very good way? im kind of confused tbh
the block confusion feels genuine, but that could come from either a town/mafia pov tbh
okay something else just pinged me. the whole eod he never really pushed any reads it was just "we should consolidate in the top three wagons" stuff like that, see my prev point + 2407. its kind of weird to read bc he was also in the top three wagons and i dont know if mafia does that but i think if pulsar flips town i scumread him more off this?
overall its just the sparseness of his own reads + lack of explanation when that happens (see 2443 where ik some thing r explain but its so generic and obvious theres no analysis) that make be go eh on him. the only think ive liked so fair is him saying "I feel like Mekkah’s gone UTR for a lot of this game with his occasional pop-ins, would like to potentially pressure this slot" (2443 again). i dont know how i feel about his mekkah push today.
ftr its not the concept of wagon consolidation i have issue with its the focus on that turning into lack of self-generated reads
 
re: dbd/mekkah
i read mekkahs recent posts
This is some very weak reasoning. How does that work? Keep in mind des wasn't being voted at that point, the bandwagon was between like 4 people including DBD, skipper, and bluedoom, and my vote was parked on NightEmerald. I switched to bluedoom at your suggestion that bluedoom was cc'd by des, since I missed those pages. That put my vote in the same place as (I think) most of town.
i agree his reasoning is weak i dont think he articulated himself very clear but see my above post

what do people think of the possibility os s/s dbd/mekkah? it feels plausible to me (ofc biased here bc theyre the only two ppl ive reread in detail so far) (also thinkng abt mekkah again my point him was arelatively small moment but i think we have to start looking at those now) (uhh yeah brains trying to brain
 
mekkah on a reread:
earlygame he didnt do much until prodded, but could just be new town. nai
1187 (p48) is interesting to me bc i dont think the logic checks out there. we should feel bad current gamestate is stagnant, now feels sus that the gamestate is no longer stagnant? what made me think especially was how this could be an accidental tmi from a new player. eod, high, pressure, the vote just cfd'd onto someone they know are town so they try to do some last-second defending to seem better. it is kind of a stretch tho.
nothing after that has really pinged me. mekkahs becomes more active ig but nai still
okay uhh he totally did what i just mentioned above wrt aligning with bd too LOL. twice is a pattern. i dont think mekkah has done anything else particularly scummy yet but i think im goign to watch them more now
I reread that bit and I think you're either not interpreting this correctly or not presenting it correctly.

Someone said "the game/thread state is bad" (I don't remember who but I'll find it if someone needs me to)
I asked them to clarify what they meant
They said "nobody is trying to push for a change, which means top wagon is likely town (since mafia would try change it)"
Then, the top wagon was changed,
and I tried to point out how according to that person's logic, that could mean this was mafia changing the wagon. The way I phrased that wasn't especially clear though, this is what I wrote (again 1187, p48)

"So earlier I had a discussion with I think skipper about how we should feel bad about the current gamestate because mafia wasn't pushing to change it. And now there is a sudden push to change it and everyone is okay with that?"
 
re: dbd/mekkah
i read mekkahs recent posts

i agree his reasoning is weak i dont think he articulated himself very clear but see my above post

what do people think of the possibility os s/s dbd/mekkah? it feels plausible to me (ofc biased here bc theyre the only two ppl ive reread in detail so far) (also thinkng abt mekkah again my point him was arelatively small moment but i think we have to start looking at those now) (uhh yeah brains trying to brain
I will point out that until you brought this up most people's reads on me were null/mild town. If me/DBD are scum partners it is not in our best interest for him to draw a bunch of attention onto me to change that. Of course if we felt that he is likely to get voted out at some point it would be to our benefit the day after this one, but it would be quite a gambit.
 
One observation I do want to drop is about pulsar and des. pulsar's EoD2 posts were pretty unhelpful overall, she posted like she missed the CK vig claim and voted CK. Which could be disengaged town or mafia, hard to tell. But des has been super insistent on voting pulsar. So I don't think that's scum/scum. And if des does flip scum today I think that makes pulsar look more townish.

(and if pulsar continues to be afk for entire days only to pop in near the end I would love to see her sub out)
 
I automatically target the person with the most actions used on them that night
I searched DBD and read back a bit but I think this is the only detail DBD claimed about his role/mech, other than the fact his role failed. To my understanding his claim is: he has an action that automatically targets the person most targeted, but hasn't said what that action is. Worth noting that according to OP all non-town players have a 1-time empty visit action they can use which I assume can be used to redirect this.

DBD I'm not sure why you chose to pubclaim this? It tells town nothing that can be used to our advantage but it does give mafia a tool to redirect you if they feel like it.
 
I do think it’s interesting des didn’t say she was voteblocked. Doesn’t really sway me one way or the other but still makes me hmmm
It's possible the voteblocker is a town role, and she didn't want to just give it away. I actually didn't notice CK's vote counting for 0 in the previous day's vote counts and would've missed des's if someone hadn't pointed it out.
 
Can you explain this line Sunny btw?
Will do; gonna be a bit busy today but will work on this

I do understand the read, but why day 5 in particular?
This was an on the fly calculation of when your vig would be fully recharged, with the assumption that scum won't let you get another kill off. But since it was close to EOD and I was just frantically typing my numbers could have been wrong.
 
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