NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

sunny004 said:
Ok let's see here how do we test each role:

Vizh / Mekkah: I would need more deets on what "passive protection" but potentially best way to test this is with a vote negate aimed at one if it's with a SG.
CK: Mech has already been proven due to un-CC'ed vig - just a matter of alignment. CrreamyKitty can you remind if your vig is recharged tonight?
AG: Old role mech proven via Neon / AF claim? Impossible to test mega w/o claim obv
JALMONT: Can someone remind me where the kill ability claim came from here? Which post? I forgot. We could potentially have the kill aimed somewhere to test.
HyHy: Is this town DEATHproof or just town BPV? Gonna sound coked up since hyhy is a TR of mine but we could vote HyHy just to test this if the former.
Neon: I think neon's mech was host spewed to be verified? ImaginaryNeon even though your mega stone was stolen you should still be able to see the original PM. I'm curious what your mega ability is
charlie: Mech has been proven
marlyne: May also seem coked up but I think we can aim a vig at this?
NE: If we believe charlie then this mech is proven.
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just realized something. if you want to prove vizh/mekkah's "passive protection" through charlie's vote block then doesn't that involve them pubrevealing which of them protects the other? which leaves one of them susceptible to the mafia kill which is not ideal bc they townclear each other (i think?)
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
just realized something. if you want to prove vizh/mekkah's "passive protection" through charlie's vote block then doesn't that involve them pubrevealing which of them protects the other? which leaves one of them susceptible to the mafia kill which is not ideal bc they townclear each other (i think?)
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I think I may be misunderstanding the mech here. I was under the impression that both passively protect the other?
 
JALMONT said:
i got no idea where everyone is at although tbh idk where I’m at.

Technically masons could both be mafia but I don’t think vizh is mafia. Vizh can you confirm you are both mod confirmed to be town

Aura Guardian why didn’t you use the neighborize?
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Yeah we are both confirmed town

I not only checked this but explicitly asked like 2 clarifying questions to ensure I wasn't getting Punk'd and followed that up with asking if alignment changing is hypothetically possible
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
my only concern is that do mech clears help solve alignment? bc tomorrow is going to be mylo/lylo anyways if we dont get mafia out were screwed
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HydrogenHydreigon said:
good morning!
Vizh and Mekkah are cleared from what i can tell?
CK/Jalmont cannot be s/s probably. might be t/t ig?? i still think jalmont's claim is more suspicious. town track flipped, yes i get double roleblock but surely not double track too right. ok wait this one is bandwagon track. idk i still think its plausible for that to be scum. and also this one has a conditional vig. ck is just vig with recharge. surely mafia does not just get a vig???? i agree that claiming the mega condition would be nice tho. i think jalmont's posting is better than ck bus thats just vibes based.
that leaves ag/neon/sb/marlyne/sunny/ne
holy shit neon is motion detector/watcher???????
i think at most two of ag/jalmont/neon are scum. since ag is kind of an info role that becomes disruptive as the game goes on??
jalmont is kind of at the intersection of my mechanically susses but i think his posting is good.. does anyone know any jalmont scumgames?
idk at this point. this is so hard
if im thinknig [ag/jalmont/neon] has 1-2 scum among them that leaves charlie/marlyne/sunny/ne. i think sunny is the towniest of them by far, but i am not going to go to bat for him. dialogue w mekkah has made me consider if i am tring him too hard. but i think at this point my solve is like
1-2 [ag/jalmont/neon] + 2-3 [charlie/marlyne/ne]
does this check out? did i miss anything egregious, plz lmk. i think this is as far as i can get wrt: mechnical solving
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Also wrt this hyhy point I will also give some non-mechsolve thoughts before I sleep. Since hyhy is on I will just provide my thoughts on this above post.
- Likely cleared, unless AG / Vizh / Mekkah are all scum and coordinated the "clear" beforehand.
- I just highly doubt that there is a scum vig and CK has been on the town end of the spectrum for me, so him / jalmont are either T/S or T/T. Jalmont's role being a dupe isn't great? But again des+BD is a thing so? Agree wrt mega claim imo
- Neon's role being hostspewed muddies the waters a lot tbh.
- When jalmont was wolf in zorbees' game he was less aggro out of the gate. But this is also a very different scenario (he would have a scumteam to back him up + subbed into one of the most SR'ed slots) so I don't think my meta read there translates too well. I am not a fan of how aggro he is in squeezing claims out of people + generally tends to be overly opinionated and OTT from my past jalmont memory. But I am having trouble determining if that is necessarily alignment indicative.
- I think my PoE is (AG / JALMONT / Neon / Marlyne / NE / charlie). Charlie in particular is pretty difficult for me to pin down. To get meta negator seemed to be a pretty scummy role but charlie's gameplay has been difficult for me to read.
 
Vizh said:
Yeah we are both confirmed town

I not only checked this but explicitly asked like 2 clarifying questions to ensure I wasn't getting Punk'd and followed that up with asking if alignment changing is hypothetically possible
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Just said this in prior post but isn't there a world in which hypothetically all three of you, AG, and mekkah coordinated that as scum
 
sunny004 said:
Also wrt this hyhy point I will also give some non-mechsolve thoughts before I sleep. Since hyhy is on I will just provide my thoughts on this above post.
- Likely cleared, unless AG / Vizh / Mekkah are all scum and coordinated the "clear" beforehand.
- I just highly doubt that there is a scum vig and CK has been on the town end of the spectrum for me, so him / jalmont are either T/S or T/T. Jalmont's role being a dupe isn't great? But again des+BD is a thing so? Agree wrt mega claim imo
- Neon's role being hostspewed muddies the waters a lot tbh.
- When jalmont was wolf in zorbees' game he was less aggro out of the gate. But this is also a very different scenario (he would have a scumteam to back him up + subbed into one of the most SR'ed slots) so I don't think my meta read there translates too well. I am not a fan of how aggro he is in squeezing claims out of people + generally tends to be overly opinionated and OTT from my past jalmont memory. But I am having trouble determining if that is necessarily alignment indicative.
- I think my PoE is (AG / JALMONT / Neon / Marlyne / NE / charlie). Charlie in particular is pretty difficult for me to pin down. To get meta negator seemed to be a pretty scummy role but charlie's gameplay has been difficult for me to read.
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this pretty much matches what i think down to the poe lol. neon's role is hostspewed sorta but i doooon't think that extends to his alignment..? if it does plz clarify
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
understood
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Basically the question is: are results public to all scum or simply given in role pm to be passed on

If given in the scum discord (which was my experience), then I would imagine scumteam would notice the discrepancy and point it out themselves before it got to the point it did in thread (a day after results), but given it wasn't noticed until then, (given results given in scum discord), I think it's more likely Neon is town
 
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