M&M Mamoswine [QC 2/2] [GP 0/1]

:ss/Mamoswine:
THANKS, MAMO

[SET]
name: Offensive Stealth Rock
move 1: Icicle Crash
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Stealth Rock
item: Lucarionite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mamoswine is a strong Stealth Rock setter since it threatens out several offensive and defensive Pokemon with its STAB combination, so it has plenty of opportunities to set up Stealth Rock. Icicle Crash and Earthquake allows Mamoswine to have good coverage, threatening out a plethora of defensive Pokemon, like Toxapex and Mandibuzz, and even a few offensive pokemon that are slower than Mamoswine, such as Altarianite Arcanine, Blastoisite Hydreigon, and Altarianite Kommo-o. Ice Shard allows Mamoswine to revenge kill faster threats, like Dragapult and Noivern. The stone of choice for Mamoswine here is Lucarionite, as it is granted Adaptability. Adaptability allows Mamoswine to utilize its great combination of STABs and it takes advantage of this to set Stealth Rock, since many Sablenite users like Mandibuzz, Hippowdon, and Toxapex will want to avoid taking on Mamoswine.

That being said, although Mamoswine has great offensive presence, its speed after Mega Evolving is decent at best, and it is outsped by common offensive threats, like Excadrill and Terrakion. Its bulk is also average at best, and it strongly dislikes taking non-resisted hits, so a strong defensive core to support Mamoswine is appreciated. Manectite Mew can help Mamoswine, by switching into Excadrill, and Lopunnite Zeraora that may threaten out Mamoswine and provide pivoting as well, and Mamoswine can, in turn, threaten Pokemon that may force them out like Hydreigon and Dragapult. Mamoswine also struggles to break through strong Ice-type checks, like Venusaurite Corviknight, Banettite Jellicent, and Latiasite Toxapex so pokemon like Blastoisite Hydreigon, or Manectite Rotom-W can assist Mamoswine in dealing with them. Diancite Gengar and Lunala make for great partners to Mamoswine, as Mamoswine can force out Sablenite Mandibuzz, a strong Ghost-type check, force up rocks, and soften it up for the two. In return, Gengar and Lunala can force out physical walls like Manectite Mew, Banettite Jellicent, and Venusaurite Corviknight that Mamoswine would struggle with.

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Icicle Crash and Earthquake allows Mamoswine to have a strong STAB combination, threatening out a plethora of defensive Pokemon, like Toxapex and Rhyperior, and even a few offensive pokemon that are slower than Mamoswine, such as Toxtricity and Tyranitar.
Rhyp is a weird defensive mon mention, Mandibuzz would fit better here. These offensive examples aren't that great in the current meta, Alt Arcanine/Rhyp/Blast Hydrei would all be better mentions.

That being said, although Mamoswine has great offensive presence, its speed after Mega Evolving is decent at best, and it is outsped by common offensive threats, like Excadrill and Mew.
Mention Terrakion over Mew for now, even if it ends up getting banned it's not difficult to switch back to Mew later.

Pokemon like Banettite Toxapex and Venusaurite Hippodown can help Mamoswine, by switching into Pokemon that may threaten out Mamoswine, and Mamoswine can, in turn, threaten the Pokemon that may force them out.
Running Venu Hippo alongside Mamo generally isn't advisable as they're both Grounds that fit on different playstyles. Something like Manectite Mew would make more sense, you could also point out that its pivoting helps bring Mamo in safely.


Mamoswine also struggles to break through strong Ice-type checks, like Venusaurite Corviknight, and Banettite Jellicent, so pokemon like Diancite Dragapult with Thunder, or Manectite Rotom-W can assist Mamoswine in dealing with them, and both can provide useful pivoting to let Mamoswine get in safely.
It's generally pretty difficult to actually end up killing Corviknight with Dia Dragapult, between the miss chance and other Dragapult switchins existing. I'd replace the Dragapult mention with Blast Hydrei, and then just cut the pivoting part.


Mamoswine provides invaluable support with its ability to set up Stealth Rock, and threaten out faster threats with Ice Shard, so partners like Diancite Gengar and Lunala appreciate the support. They can also help Mamoswine get around common physically defensive Pokemon, and Mamoswine can take on the specially defensive Pokemon that they may struggle with, like Sablenite Mandibuzz, or Tyranitarite Rhyperior.
This is a great mention but I'd rework it slightly because right now it sounds more like a generic "Rocks + offensive mon" = profit which doesn't actually say much about Mamo in particular. You should be aiming to say that Mamo pairs especially well with those Ghosts because it forces out Sable Mandi (one of the best Ghost checks) and gets Rocks up to help soften it for Lun/Gengar. After that you can say Lun/Gengar force out physical walls that take on Mamoswine if you want.


QC 1/2
 
:ss/Mamoswine:
THANKS MAMO

[SET]
name: Offensive Stealth Rocker
move 1: Icicle Crash
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Stealth Rock
item: Lucarionite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mamoswine is a strong Stealth Rock setter, since it threatens out several offensive and defensive Pokemon with its STAB combination, so it has plenty of opportunities to set up Stealth Rock. Icicle Crash and Earthquake allows Mamoswine to have good coverage, threatening out a plethora of defensive Pokemon, like Toxapex and Mandibuzz, and even a few offensive pokemon that are slower than Mamoswine, such as Altarianite Arcanine, and Blastoisite Hydreigon, and Altarianite Kommo-o. Ice Shard allows Mamoswine to revenge kill faster threats, like Dragapult and Noivern. The stone of choice for Mamoswine here is Lucarionite, as it is granted Adaptability. Adaptability allows Mamoswine to utilize its great combination of STABs forego coverage, as it has a great combination of STABs, and it takes advantage of this to set Stealth Rock, since not many Sablenite users like Mandibuzz, Hippowdon, and Toxapex will want to avoid taking on Mamoswine.

That being said, although Mamoswine has great offensive presence, its speed after Mega Evolving is decent at best, and it is outsped by common offensive threats, like Excadrill and Terrakion. Its bulk is also average at best, and it strongly dislikes taking non-resisted hits, so a strong defensive core to support Mamoswine is appreciated. Pokemon like Banettite Toxapex and Took a look into what Pex can help against that beats Mamoswine and nothing really comes to mind other than answering Jellicent, Golis (who is he), and Arcanine in the event that Mamo is heavily weakened so I don't think this is as good of a pairing as Mew Manectite Mew can help Mamoswine, by switching into Pokemon Excadrill, and Lopunnite Zeraora that may threaten out Mamoswine and in the case of Mew, provide pivoting as well, and Mamoswine can, in turn, threaten the Pokemon that may force them out like Hydreigon and Dragapult. Mamoswine also struggles to break through strong Ice-type checks, like Venusaurite Corviknight, and Banettite Jellicent, and Latiasite Toxapex so pokemon like Blastoisite Hydreigon, or Manectite Rotom-W can assist Mamoswine in dealing with them, and both can provide useful pivoting to let Mamoswine get in safely. Diancite Gengar and Lunala make for great partners to Mamoswine, as Mamoswine can force out Sablenite Mandibuzz, a strong Ghost-type check, force up rocks, and soften it up for the two. In return, Gengar and Lunala can force out physical walls like Manectite Mew, Banettite Jellicent, and Venusaurite Corviknight that Mamoswine would struggle with.

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- Written by: [[SectoniaServant, 400313]]
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- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

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