I am against a Zyphirex lynch. Yes, his predecessors in his 'slot' have been rather scummy, but on Zyphirex himself I personally have a null read--but the most important thing is he is actually active, and with his posts and remarks he is forcing people to respond to accusations. Also, annoying Metal Sonic and provoking Celever into posting stupid snark like
this seems valuable to me
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Anyway, I've already given a rather neutral read on Zyphirex, and his lede post of "bullshit" may have not been well-advised, but I'd rather keep him alive a little longer and lynch someone less active / discussion-sparking. I don't think anyone can really read Zyphirex's initial posts as scummy unless they assume he is EXTREMELY noob mafia (bit of WIFOM here, but really, I don't think any mafia player with any amount of experience would make such strident claims backed by no reasoning and then lampshade it), and I don't think he has really displayed that in his later posts. Zyphirex might not be a very clean player, but I don't see him as a very good lynch target at this point.
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Celever I have some questions for you regarding your claim and your reasoning behind it.
Also a full claim is REALLY necessary? Also I've never really got the logic of counter-claiming because anyone can counter-claim and you will probably believe the false counter-claim...
This was obviously before you claimed bodyguard. Why would you, as bodyguard, be worried about a counterclaim? A mafia player counterclaiming a bodyguard is one of the dumbest things a mafia could do. What benefit would there be to a mafia counterclaim? The mafia would already know you are BG from your claim, so they could just nightkill you or at least force the reverse martyr / whatever AG has to target you. Counterclaiming BG would just out one of the mafia to no real gain. Given this scenario, why would you need to be concerned about a counterclaim? Please explain yourself, because the only logic that I can come with to explain your actions is that you are a mafia who softclaimed a power role to stall a vote, then claimed BG under slight pressure in order to make yourself into a non-viable lynch target. If you were really BG, and knew that you would claim BG all along, then you would never have been concerned about a counterclaim--but at the time of your post that I quoted, you weren't sure what you were going to claim yet.
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Spiffy my thoughts on @
Snaquaza :
Snaquaza has been pretty useless this game, to be honest. I don't remember seeing much insight coming from his posts, and he was incredibly quick to
claim vanillager. Snaquaza, why would you do this? There was no pressure on you to claim and it honestly looks like you were trying to go with the flow of the game without contributing much in the way of discussion. I also don't know why you thought it would be constructive to post
bullet point reads on cxinlee after Zyphirex subbed in for him. You also basically bandwagoned the Zyphirex lynch with no coherent reasoning behind it, and your justification
I know more people already lynched him, but I was one of the earlier suspects.
is basically "I bandwagoned because OMGUS". Unless you mean you suspected him earlier? Given that you suspected cxinlee and haven't given any reasons that I can see for suspecting Zyphirex other than the slot that he's been subbed into, I don't see that statement as very credible.
This post looks like huge buddying with Zyphirex, but the fact of the matter is that I consider lynching someone less potentially useful/discussion-creating like Snaquaza would be more beneficial than lynching Zyphirex before any of us have the time to get an actual read on him. (Or her. I'd assume 'he', but I have no idea.) @
Spiffy you asked why people seem to be not talking about Snaquaza. I haven't been addressing him in earlier posts because I've had difficulty getting an actual read on him, which is I suspect due to the general lack of content in all of his posts (as well as Snaquaza's disadvantage in getting across his message in English, I guess). If Snaquaza has been around for nearly the whole game, he should have more content to judge him by now.
Of course, I haven't really been addressing Jalmont in my posts for the same reason (lack of content) but he hasn't been bandwagoning and foolishly claiming.
tl;dr: I have concerns about Celever's claim, I want to avoid lynching Zyphirex due to his activity and my lack of opportunity to read him, and I find Snaquaza to be the most viable lynch target at this point. I will keep my vote on Celever until he can answer this post satisfactorily, though.