NOC Mayor Mafia - Democracy Prevails

and I absolutely refuse to touch the whole apricity/vooper/moodycloud/whydom group with a long stick, I'll sheep whoever has any way of reading into this black box. I'll come back on later and see if anyone else has come online
"isos dont do anything" -the best mafia player in the world (also they both probably have like less than 5 posts)

er, if you do dive though feel free to state what you find/if you manage to develop any additional reads

this game is weird
Weird, I don't remember saying that
User being voted (votes on them): User voting them (post number they voted)

Official Vote Count 1.2
Sultan of Skook (3): Mewtwo Hidden (149), DS (193), Nuxl (211)
MewtwoHidden (2): Fenrir Aesir (17), Smogon Account (175)
DS(1): Vooper (21)
Inferno (1): Bluedoom (88)
Whydon (1): Moodycloud (120)
Vooper(1): Apricity (128)
Nuxl(1): Sultan of Skook (148)

Not Voting: XnadrojX, Inferno, Whydon

# to hammer: N/A on Day 1
~29 hours to deadline
Don't like the progression here, why automatically go with the "noob makes this post" idea and push this line of questioning? I don't see much fruit being borne from this angle of questioning fen is trying to take here.
I believe it was even discussed in thread that said player isn't a regular, so having meta knowledge on them would be pretty difficult yeah. DS discussed with Nuxl about his opiniom but Fenrir going along like that feels off to me
Because DS was proposing that the MewtwoHidden was noobscum? I don't expect DS to have meta knowledge, but since he had that theory he presumably has ideas of differences between how new players act as scum vs. as town.

Re: mayor discussion, I feel like everyone should just vote whoever's towniest. Assuming the player we vote as mayor is town and correctly protected, even that's only going to keep them alive temporarily (since a player can't consecutively become mayor) and the mayor vote shouldn't even affect the game much unless it's given to one of the roles that gets other bonuses for being voted. The vote watching/tracking roles should be helpful for figuring out agendas. The bit Nuxl brought up about close votes being potentially redirected is true though so if we want to try and coordinate something I'm down. I think the best opportunity for that is gonna be using that strategy to ensure the reformer gets their vig shot.

/shrug I kind of just feel like playing it as vanilla and voting one of the towniest players until someone claims reformer or smth, but if y'all have a game-breaking idea I'm down.

bluedoom I'm finishing this post with a list of my current reads :thumbsup: ended up sleeping longer than intended since I didn't actually have my first class today, so I'm kind of scrambling to get through everything in an hour as I write this. HYPE extension, I've still got a class in ~2 hrs but it'll be in session at deadline so I'm still sort of scrambling.

MewtwoHidden you mentioned thinking that Mafia would "benefit from shifting discussion to nuxl/bluedoom" and later mentioned wanting to vote them for mayor; is there a reason those two stood out to you as town early on? Also as a sidenote you mentioned me being new; I'm only (sort of) new to this site (Mafia in general I've been playing since ~2016).

Any player not listed below doesn't have any content that makes me read them strongly either way. The most notable case of this is bluedoom; I'm gonna (if I have time still) look around on SF some for any of his recent games).

XnadrojX: It's been a while since we played together but I don't like that so many of his posts are just playing devil's advocate to things people bring up; it's reminiscent of his scum play from what I recall. Most of his posts since he unvoted me also don't really commit to anything (even after he asked Nuxl for a link to one of my games and Nuxl obliged he went on to disregard it and decide to read me based on the wallposts he's assuming I'm going to make. (He's right in that I'm wallposting now but :thinking:)

DS: Right now there're two things keeping me from sheeping the consensus townread on him: (1) It's weird to me that he's only given insight on Mewtwo/Sultan/Inferno despite having pretty consistent presense through the game. (2) I'm generally hesitant over potentially misreading him b/c of his reputation as a champs finalist. Not a slot I'm interested in lynching rn as nothing he's done really pings me.

Moodycloud: All his posts are about game mechanics barring a vote on Whydon [who currently has ~3 posts]. Keeping an eye on the slot and anticipating reads in some form from it some time soon.

Sultan of Skook: I dislike that, given his own activity level, his first meaningful piece of content is calling out Nuxl for going after others' activity. I went back to check their play in Twin Trap (where they were town and subbed out D1), which included a mention that they prefer to react when games get started and wait for content that gives them a strong read in a given direction. Having such a strong read on someone for scumreading an inactive player seems off, and they also ignored pretty much everyone but Nuxl.

InfernoDragon: A vote I could get behind. I agree with the callout that he's sidelining up until post 121, but even then all he's given for reads are sheeping the town!Nuxl consensus and his most recent post, where his only actual reads are the scumreads on Sultan/Mewtwo, neither of which he's committed to with any voting/questioning.

MewtwoHidden: Banking on the fact that Nuxl hasn't been subbed out/modkilled for his "angleshoot" read, I'm inclined to read MewtwoHidden as town for the same reason. His posts re: the setup also feel townie in their efforts to break it and I also generally lean town on people who don't use setup discussion as a crutch to avoid giving reads [see: my current read on Moody].

Nuxl: First off yikes spamposting; I agree with the consensus townread on him currently though given he's the primary force driving any form of discussion currently. Someone at some point mentioned wanting to read him as town just for being active which I disagree with, but at present he's the only one who's been consistently trying to coordinate the mayor votes in some way and get people to produce reads while also interacting with his own reads in order to develop them.

Not voting: DS, MewtwoHidden, Nuxl
Votes I could get behind: Jordan, Inferno, Sultan (in that order).

Unvote: MewtwoHidden
Vote: XnadrojX
I'll be here for just under an hour more (class starts 30 minutes before deadline). I'm down for a Sultan wagon if people're for some reason strongly opposed to a Jordan one but that's my first preference.

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