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Completly forgot to ask this question earlier, but Is Hoopa-Unbound usable in this metagame?

Btw I'm not sure on this one, but Wailrein looks pretty good, it gets access to both Shell Smash and Refrigerate, which is really cool, as well as stuff like Belly Drum and Curse.
 
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So how about Imposter vaporeon. 130 hp gives it the ability to carry not a scarf
Hoppa-unbound has a usefull ability now--
and Diamond Storm--for defense boosting
And steam erruption--to psedo boost defense
and rock polish
That is scary as hell.
perhaps assault vest with drain punch/steam erupt/hyperspace fury/diamond storm
or a rock polish sweeper with drainpunch/steam erupt/hyperspace fury
i like it's physical move pool substantialy better than it's special one
either way it is a beast
 
The Pizza Man said:
Completly forgot to ask this question earlier, but Is Hoopa-Unbound usable in this metagame?

Btw I'm not sure on this one, but Wailrein looks pretty good, it gets access to both Shell Smash and Refrigerate, which is really cool, as well as stuff like Belly Drum and Curse.
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If it was, it would be BANNED but it's not.
 
simsims2800 said:
Miltank (AND Hitmontop) gets Scrappy Spin as well. Plus, Flygon gets flipping CONTRARY. CONTRARY.

I'm going to go over every "broken" 'mon you went over.
Gengar: Priority kills it, and we have many more Unawares. Besides, the pink blobs wall it hard, even with a boost AND Focus Blast. It's forced to run Focus Sash due to its frailty, and almost anything that it can't force out can OHKO it after a Smash.
M-Gardevoir: My experiences in the metagame are kinda weird, but most Garde I've seen haven't been offensive QD, but... physically bulky QD? Yeah, physically defensive QD MGarde is very anti-meta and takes a surprising amount of hits due to Intimidate pre-mega.
M-Metagross: Not that powerful, easily wallable if you choose the wrong coverage, Superpower screws your setup over. If you use Grass Knot for Quagsire, you have only two attacking moves left. Crazy 4MSS on this thing.
Garchomp: It's the Adaptability you should be worried about. Still, both STABs have immunities and powerful priority is abundant. Probably suspect-worthy, though.
Victini: Believe me, it was only broken due to Contrary + Overheat/Leaf Storm/Draco/V-create.
Hydreigon: Mach Punch kills it, as does Ice Shard and strong enough neutral priority. Believe me, priority is not only important in this metagame, but abundant as well. Scarf Meloetta-Pirouette (which will be very common, due to its great stats) outspeeds and OHKOs with Close Combat. Still walled by Azumarill. Priority is abundant.
Volcarona: Stealth Rock. The newly buffed Talonflame (gets EQ and Superpower). Mega Pinsir (Fake Out + Quick Attack, anyone?) Powerful priority is abundant. If it runs QD + Roost, it has huge 4MSS.
Landorus-I: This might be a problem. Banned it in 2.0, and it will likely be suspected in 3.0. Still, powerful priority is abundant.
Kyurem-N and Kyurem-B: Might be problems as well. Likely suspects in 3.0.
Diancie-M: Has to choose between physical STAB, special STAB, or going mixed. Stuff like physically defensive Chesnaught walls fully physical DD variants.
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Maybe not gengar considering it has a hard time setting up, but what are the blobs going to do it to? Gengar can set up in their faces and ohko them.
M-Gardevoir is almost certainly better as an offensive mon than a bulky mon. After a quiver dance it outspeeds almost everything in the game and can ohko everything except victini, jirachi, bronzong, metagross, and chansey. And all of them get 2hko'd.
M-Metagross: "Not that powerful" Are you joking? 145 base attack plus the equivilant of a life orb on top? Quagsire is only 1 pokemon, although I am less convinced that it is broken looking at the amount of walls that get will-o-wisp now.
Garchomp: I forgot that it gets adaptability from mega lucario, that makes it even more broken lol. Now almost every wall in the game gets ohko'd bar skarmory and bronzong, and everything faster than it bar the few fast rock types/gengar still get ohko'd.
Victini: It gets swords dance, extremespeed and leaf blade to go with v-create. Probably the only counter is heatran, but that gets destroyed if the opponent chooses to use bolt strike. It could even just go choice band if you want.
Hydreigon and volcarona: lol, I know powerful priority is common in this meta. But that isn't always an answer:
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 168-198 (51.6 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Kyurem: Stronger than landorus: rock polish, ice beam, earth power, secret sword kills everything, also has enough bulk to live priority like hydreigon.
Kyurem-B: Gets close combat, which would be enough imo, but it also can run the same set as kyurem, except with a stronger fighting move and bolt strike if it wants. there are like 3 broken sets, needs to get out of here
Diancie gets dragon dance with earthquake+diamond storm coverage, along with extremespeed. It also gets nasty plot, so it could run a set with moonblast, earth power and thunderbolt for perfect coverage.
 
Pagoose said:
Maybe not gengar considering it has a hard time setting up, but what are the blobs going to do it to? Gengar can set up in their faces and ohko them.
M-Gardevoir is almost certainly better as an offensive mon than a bulky mon. After a quiver dance it outspeeds almost everything in the game and can ohko everything except victini, jirachi, bronzong, metagross, and chansey. And all of them get 2hko'd.
M-Metagross: "Not that powerful" Are you joking? 145 base attack plus the equivilant of a life orb on top? Quagsire is only 1 pokemon, although I am less convinced that it is broken looking at the amount of walls that get will-o-wisp now.
Garchomp: I forgot that it gets adaptability from mega lucario, that makes it even more broken lol. Now almost every wall in the game gets ohko'd bar skarmory and bronzong, and everything faster than it bar the few fast rock types/gengar still get ohko'd.
Victini: It gets swords dance, extremespeed and leaf blade to go with v-create. Probably the only counter is heatran, but that gets destroyed if the opponent chooses to use bolt strike. It could even just go choice band if you want.
Hydreigon and volcarona: lol, I know powerful priority is common in this meta. But that isn't always an answer:
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 168-198 (51.6 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Kyurem: Stronger than landorus: rock polish, ice beam, earth power, secret sword kills everything, also has enough bulk to live priority like hydreigon.
Kyurem-B: Gets close combat, which would be enough imo, but it also can run the same set as kyurem, except with a stronger fighting move and bolt strike if it wants. there are like 3 broken sets, needs to get out of here
Diancie gets dragon dance with earthquake+diamond storm coverage, along with extremespeed. It also gets nasty plot, so it could run a set with moonblast, earth power and thunderbolt for perfect coverage.
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Stall has TOO MANY WALLS for many of these to be viable. Consider the following: MEGA AGGRON GETS INTIMIDATE PRE-MEGA, AND RECOVER.
There goes M-Metagross. Easily.

And if Kyurem-B doesn't run Earth Power / Focus Miss...
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 152-180 (44.1 - 52.3%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 126-150 (36.6 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Now let's factor in the Intimidate drop.
-1 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 102-120 (29.6 - 34.8%) -- 10.8% chance to 3HKO
-1 252+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 86-102 (25 - 29.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
MEGA AGGRON IS LOVE, MEGA AGGRON IS LIFE

Edit: Screw it, I'm running Specially Defensive M-Metagross on another stall team. Takes care of QD Garde easily unless Shadow Ball, but who would run Shadow Ball when Hydro/FB do a lot more damage? Also, FB has crappy-as-hell accuracy.
 
Oh fuck just noticed Exca gets simple from swoobat getting to +4 attack in one turn is scary also can't forget about adaptability chomp and sheer force kyu-b
 
The notable moves are either moves that are really good in competitive like knock off or generally good moves like brave bird
 
When ever I click the grouping lists in the OP it says "Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist" in some Google Drive thingy. I've figured it to be mostly in dex order but by comparing dex numbers to the OP's threat list I keep finding myself 1 or more out in my groupings. Is there another format of the groupings that I could access, or is there an easy way of counting out the groups using this:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_fully_evolved_Pokémon_by_base_stats
?

EDIT: I think I got it. From that list I posted pokemon can inherit moves and abilities from any pokemon 1 above or 1 below the pokemon you are using correct?
 
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Isa Simple said:
When ever I click the grouping lists in the OP it says "Sorry, the file you have requested does not exist" in some Google Drive thingy. I've figured it to be mostly in dex order but by comparing dex numbers to the OP's threat list I keep finding myself 1 or more out in my groupings. Is there another format of the groupings that I could access, or is there an easy way of counting out the groups using this:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_fully_evolved_Pokémon_by_base_stats
?

EDIT: I think I got it. From that list I posted pokemon can inherit moves and abilities from any pokemon 1 above or 1 below the pokemon you are using correct?
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yes and the dex loops so venusaur and volcanion inh eachother.
 
Toxic Spikes Hippowdon. The bulky bitch gets T-Spikes from Drapion. What you gonna do? Send in your Poison-type to remove the T-Spikes? Send in your Steel-type who doesn't care for poison? BOOM! Adaptability Earthquake. GG, the games over. We can go home.

On another note, Mega-Sceptile can get Nasty Plot from Celebi and Speed Boost from Blaziken to get a speed boost prior to mega evolving which looks pretty neat, if it can get that one turn of setup, after which it then boasts 145 base SpAtk at +2 and 145 base Speed at +1.

Escavalier also gets some nice buffs from Amoongus and Emolga. With its great defensive typing and stats combined with Regenerator from Amoongus, and a great new addition in STAB U-Turn from Emolga, it becomes quite a good pivot. Assault Vest sets could also use Nuzzle and Clear Smog for added utility, whilst still boasting some of its other hard hitting STABs it had previously in Iron Head and Megahorn. A SD set or support set could also make great use of Spore in order to setup as a late-game win-con and early game harass, thanks to Regenerator keeping it healthy throughout the match. Definitely looks like it could be quite the threat.
EDIT: And it gets Roost from Emolga if it wants to stay in.

EDIT 2: Can we use Imposter Vaporeon or Lapras? >:)
 
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Now i really want this meta to be coded but no one will ever code it because let's face it mergemons will never win omotm so at least code it somewhere
 
Some notable things I feel like sharing:

Mega Glalie gets Belly Drum from Walrein and Refrigerated Quick Attack from Absol, as well as Sucker Punch. Also Magic Bounce is nice pre-mega.

Scizor gets Intimidate from Qwilfish and Sticky Web from Shuckle, as well as Roost and U-Turn from itself making it an epic Sticky Web setter.
Alomomola, Ferrothorn, and Crobat may be examples of other great sticky web setters.

Hitmonlee gets Belly Drum from Marowak making it an extremely scary abuser of the Belly Drum / Unburden combo. It also has priority to boot.

Manaphy gets Dark Void and Bad Dreams allowing for free Tail Glows which will likely be quite scary.

Pangoro is an epic defensive pivot between Fur Coat, slow Parting Shot and Milk Drink.

Unaware Gigalath with Roost may be strong with 80/130/80 defences, but it would likely be held back by Ground and Fighting being common coverage.

Zygarde would be awesome in this meta:
It gets Roost, Dragon Rush and Knock Off from Yveltal. Coil + Dragon Rush is an epic combo. When combined with Glare that is some very painful Para-Flinch.
Plus it gets Magic Bounce and Diamond storm from Diancie(mega).
Any variation of a set like this would be an amazing stall breaker or even a win con for stall, semi stall, balance or bulky offense.

Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Roost
- Coil
- Dragon Rush
- Glare

Or a Dragon Dance set with Magic Bounce stopping Will-O-Wisp, running Edge-wake with Diamond Storm > Stone Edge and Extreme Speed.

And lastly I just want people to know that Levitate Skuntank and Flash Fire Durant and both things that exist (though they probably won't be that good).

So yeah. Cool meta :)
 
Voluptuous Goomy said:
Cress and Shaymin get Tail Glow... RIP I mean it's not the best move for them considering their types but still it's tail glow
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Neither of them do since Darkrai and Phione are the ones next to Manaphy (even if Darkrai is banned, it is still the one to inherit Manaphy's moves). Minun and Illumise get them from Volbeat, but they're Minun and Illumise so yeah.
 
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