If every pokemon on the field is hit by perish song and every pokemon dies at the same time, the Pokemon that faints last will score the win. Minimum speed can let you get a win through this with some mons at minimum speed that can squeak past another (usually slower) mon that's at max speed. It's basically another way to increase your win percentage. Going before the opponent is also important, so it's a case by case basis. On high ladder you probably won't be able to outslow a Celesteela with a slow Mew or Shaymin since people are wise to the strat, but there's always a chance someone leaves their speed EVs full. If you're already incredibly slow like Mega Sableye, there's no harm in going slower since you aren't going before anyone anyway, and if you're very fast you shouldn't try to make yourself that much slower.
To sum it up this is just to protect yourself from 1 move making you lose and it may not work. I think this is why most people don't value speed that much. I personally run minimum speed on a regular Shaymin and just a -Speed nature on Shaymin Sky for the stat boost. Don't forget about the stats.
Thanks guys!The slower mon faints last if Perish Song is called, so if you're the slowest mon you'll faint last, therefore winning the battle.
Also for me, Tinted Lens is one of the best abilities in this format as it invalidates Steel mons like Celesteela, Scizor and Registeel (which are some of the most common mons) as it turns resists into neutral damage. I've had a bunch of success with Weakness Policy Tinted Lens Latios since it's base 130 SpA makes any decently strong Special attack do a good deal of damage even before a boost.
Imo these are some of the best items and abilities available:
Choice Band/Specs (good power but makes multi-turn moves like Solar Beam fail the second turn)
Power items (very niche but they halve speed so super slow mons are guaranteed to move last which is good for Perish shit)
Flash Fire (especially on Mega Scizor)
Scrappy (not as useful as when Pokestar Spirit was around, but still decent for hitting ghosts like Mega Sableye and Dusknoir/clops w stray Normal and Fighting moves)
So basically when it comes to items there's not that much room for creativity, but the available items are very useful so it's not terrible. There's more diversity when it comes to abilities though, so you can experiment with a bunch of different things
According to bulbapedia a priority move just has to target one of your guys, and Dazzling then stops the whole move from being executed. It basically ruins pranksters, I guess counters like this (and other stuff like bad dreams vs comatose) could support the idea of banning scouting in a tour even if they'll barely come up. It's a lot easier to just go in with a meta team/team you like and click away anyway.Huh, Dazzling blocks Prankster Metronome Self-Destruct?
That is exactly what I wanted to say. No matter what you do with non-steel mons, they are just simply outclassed by steels unless you run a dedicated counter team. The meta is laughably stale once you reach a moderately high elo. Removing steels would benefit the meta a lot imo. I don't know about increasing the BST limit, but it sounds like a fun change.The metronome meta really just either using Steels or running anti meta stuff tbh which is why this format has gotten stale imo. Mons like M-Sciz and Celesteela are so meta defining that you either run those or counterteam them to be really successful from my experience. The lack of "viable" (i say viable in quotes bcus there are some mons that aren't exactly bad but the presence of mons like M-Sciz, Celesteela and Melmetal mean there's little reason to use them over the aforementioned mons) and a bunch of mons banned for no reason other than "oh bst over 600 too broken" kills the format. Ridaz what happened w the unbanning of some megas? It's been months since that post and still nothing. If you can't do it is it possible for another higher-up to do it since this format has a lot of potential but not in its current state
Congrats on #6. While I do think friend guard is an interesting idea, I feel like there is no reason to use Dusclops when you can just use another Melmetal instead. First of all, Melmetal has superior physical bulk, even with Dusclops' eviolite. While Dusclops may have better special bulk, Melmetal is a (fair and balanced btw) steel type, which makes it immune to poison and lets it tank hits generally better. Well, the bulk may be arguable. However, the more important part is that Melmetal has a free item slot, so it can run weakness policy/friend guard to have an actual offensive presence. From my experience, "do nothing" characters like Shuckle or Mega Sableye generally fail to do well in this meta.Melmetal @ Weakness Policy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Dusclops (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
* Adding my voice: Please ban Steel-types from this mode, or nobody will care about it for more than a day. At least I won't.
* Friend Guard works well given that the mode is defined by deaths from a million pinpricks and exploitation of Weakness Policy / Defiant / Competitive. Obviously wanted a Ghost for that role, since it doesn't affect the guardian itself; Dusclops outclasses the competition in bulk, save for the odd occasions on which its item gets disabled; those don't matter in the big picture. You lose some attack power by running such a mon, but you usually get enough boosts / longevity to make up for it from Eviolite already; from there, the extra turns for Mel are pure profit. Try it.
* Perish Song is one move and outrunning enemies in 1v1 situations vs. the people paranoid about it seemed more valuable (though I'd still drop speed with any nature in this mode).
* Dusclops runs Relaxed because Sciz/Mel/Lix are three pokémon and Celes is one; can change Mel to Sassy if the "crowd" of the moment (how many people play this?) runs around with Gengar or Celes a lot.
(Credentials/bragging: I'm "unspent capsule", #6 on ladder, which is mostly a reflection of one day's will to click Metronome until the stars align, which they inevitably will. Used Dhelmise (also FGuard)/Venusaur-M (Flower Veil) for low ladder. Can prove on request, if anyone cares.)