Yes, I'm ready to suffer the consequences so at least read that last will
The decisions of the council regarding the fair discussion about Explosion is the proof that they won't go forward and stick to a decision without taking in account what anyone say. You don't give any real reason or you give broken reasons about why banning Explosion instead of Lando-T who is just the victim of the broken thing, pmuch like darkrai and shaymin-s. I don't know why you are so stubborn and doesn't change your godly decisions when you still can (and not 6 months later). I can say with my experience in Pokémon that this is to me a very bad way to approach a suspect test like many other mnm suspects in the past. I won't bother to try to get reqs because the story will repeat itself for the next suspect test, so... I Hope yall will have fun but it's without me.
If so many people bring the subject of Explosion, maybe you should think about why. Please.
I was initially going to delete your post (I've stated several times to stop bringing up Explosion) but given the amount of people who seem to have a similar misunderstanding, I will break this down for a final time. I will try to be comprehensive and inclusive of arguments from both sides. This will be the
final matter on the topic within this thread. I am hoping I can satisfy all parties with the content of this post. This will be the final post pertaining to the idea that Explosion is the unhealthy element here.
This suspect test is to establish whether Landorus-Therian is unhealthy for the metagame. The onus is on you to determine whether this Pokemon in Mix and Mega is healthy or not. All of us agree that Explosion is one of the major aspects to affect Landorus-Therian's potency, getting a one-time nuke to invalidate all of the Pokemon that wall its already perfect STAB combination. It's quite important to consider all of the redeeming factors that make Landorus-Therian such an offensive behemoth however.
You may decide to argue that Explosion is the only reason that Landorus-Therian is incredibly potent within the metagame, but this is false. Without Explosion, Landorus-Therian still has a severe lack of solid checks, an incredible matchup against bulkier playstyles, and a rather comprehensive movepool. Explosion does aid Landorus-Therian immensely however, no one is debating that.
The council is not ignoring the impact Explosion has on the metagame, but rather, the decision we've come to virtually unanimously is that Landorus-Therian is a major issue within the current metagame. We don't believe any other Explosion user is justifiably as potent in the current metagame. We don't see Magearna, Mew, Genesect or Metagross as elements problematic to the metagame, even when they bear Explosion.
It's impossible to predict the future perfectly but for now I'd be very surprised if Pinsirite Magearna becomes more potent because of this ban. Unlike the Pidgeotite debacle, you're not limited to one Explosion user per team. Pinsirite Magearna loses a great team option as a result of a ban vote. Additionally, Pinsirite Magearna cannot fulfil the same role that Landorus-Therian provides. However, both are great sets regardless of Explosion's existence or not. Chazm summarises this point very well in the post above. This entire situation is quite different from the Pidgeotite situation when considering this paragraph alone.
On a much much more minor note, it's paramount to consider the major point that Vhayle's and Stall is coming's arguments continue to lean on. Back when Deoxys-S was being suspect tested, Pidgeotite was not agreed upon as a major issue at all. In fact, I was the one to bring it up, post-suspect, and was met with a large amount of backlash. To pretend that we all knew Pidgeotite was the issue during the quickban of Darkrai and suspect tests of Shaymin-Sky and Deoxys-Speed is a lie. In fact,
Vhayle, you yourself stated that
Pidgeotite Deoxys-S was not an issue regardless.
Stall is coming stated that
Zap Cannon was the issue. It's kind of humorous to see you pretend to be the voice of reason following all of this.
At the time of my suggestion, several of the better, more experienced players within the community were all quite adamant that removing Pidgeotite would be a bad solution to the problem, yet we went ahead with it because it was the right thing to do. Examples of this can be seen easily
here,
here, and
here. Using the argument that we're reliving the past is so unbelievably silly. These two events are not comparable. Magearna doesn't
replace Landorus-T exactly, whereas Gengar replaced Shaymin-Sky replaced Darkrai because of the one stone clause. Without this clause these Pokemon would have initially been overwhelming, prior to the subsequent bans.
I also fail to see what interest we have in supposedly not listening to the public? We've clearly addressed your replies, with multiple justifications by different people, from the council and not from the council. If someone disagrees with you and argues against your points, it doesn't mean they're not listening. Numerous people have given adequate justifications for why this test is superior to an Explosion one, yet because it doesn't fit within the parameters of your ideal suspect target, it's supposedly incorrect.
People all thought either a Zap Cannon ban or no action at all was the solution to the problem. In retrospect, you both agree (hopefully at least) that we made the right decision eventually, despite the public outcry stating otherwise. Fast forward a year and a bit. You say now that Explosion is the problematic element, but we've given you a myriad of counter arguments to support the contrary opinion. Yet you continue to ignore it, pushing this fantasy that we're making the same mistake as before. These issues aren't comparable. I can't state this enough.
Explosion is not the issue. If you disagree, great, that's the amazing thing about us all having opinions. It's important to focus on the fact that Landorus-Therian has constrainted defensive teambuilding severely, without the need for Explosion. It's important to recognise its offensive qualities, its supportive movepool, and its plethora of other redeeming features.
This discussion should relate solely to Landorus-Therian from now on. I genuinely should not have given you another chance but I hate feeling like people think I'm being unjust so I felt the need to address any potential concerns. Consider Landorus-Therian with Explosion as a single package. It's redundant to argue whether Explosion is what makes it broken, please don't for the remainder of the suspect test.
It would be amazing if you guys could argue for a ban of Landorus-Therian or against a ban of Landorus-Therian, like the thread suggests you do. Productive discussion is always appreciated.
In conclusion:
If you believe Landorus-Therian with Explosion is unhealthy, vote ban.
If you don't find Explosion Landorus-Therian to be an issue, vote do not ban.
Thank you.
gmansour20 already has reqs so this win doesn't give him reqs. 
