Voting is now over
Verdict will be published tomorrow
For now I'd love a discussion on revamping the A-S ranks. Personally I'd only put Primal Groudon Gengar. Primal Groudon hasn't changed at all, it's very good at adapting to the metagame changes.
Gengar now has a new stone that's almost S worthy in and of itself, with Pidgeot as well it's definitely S worthy. If I were to pick a third one I'd be either Lando, Coba or Thundurus.
In A+ I'd put Mew, Hoopa, Thundurus, Keldeo, Cobalion, Landorus-Therian, Zygarde, Entei, Skarmory... And that's about it. It's way to big right now and a lot of the other pokemon compete to heavily or just aren't competitive enough. boo!
Regarding Mew, I'm definitely not sold on this. Sablenite is the best and only really relevant set in my mind. I think SD is great but I'm just reluctant to move it up purely based on such a iffy strategy. And don't tell me that these other sets, like Absolite n shit are good. They're not, I know this metagame like the back of my hand and Mew isn't the best user of those sets - c'mon now.
A ton of shit shouldn't even be ranked if I'm being honest, this isn't ubers so we're not forced to rank them.
I'd really like to argue that Zygarde should stay- its clearly better than all the rest of A+ bar Mew. This might be a case of Torn-T/Latios in OU (actually almost literally lol), but it's just too reliable, splashable, and dangerous for me to be for it dropping.
On Gengar, on reflection I withdraw my earlier argument against it. It's absolutely cancerous, particularly when paired with Red Orb Raikou or Thundurus (Others to an extent, but nowhere near as much). Pidgeotite is still as amazing as ever, it revenges Pixispeed, has just about no answers it cant circumvent (Blissey? Sludge Bomb or perish trap. Pinsirite? Sleep or OHKO on the switch. Weavile/Hoopa-U? Super frail, their first moves (protect/fake out) are practically free switches. Meloetta... actually, nevermind, it can't beat Meloetta, but that alone should show how ridiculous. It's gotten to the point that Absolite Keldeo is becoming usable over its other sets.)
Agree on A+ rank otherwise.
Thank you so much. I've been waiting for that forever :)
Can't use a stone now, bad.
Use Deoxys-A for offensive set, Mew does stallbreaker better. Alakazam is also better
This was used purely to check Lucario
This was used purely to check Manaphy. It's a bad Keldeo check because both Pidgeot and Lucario 2hko after rocks after a cm, it doesn't do much back either way.
Use Meloetta. This is otherwise pretty much irrelevant.
I've literally never seen this on a serious team
Baton pass clause
Is this good? I haven't seen it at all.
This should never have been ranked in the first place
Use this if you want to get taken advantage of by Pdon or blissey.
do you have an argument for this staying? I've seen you use it before
Really bad, never seen it either. Defogging and bouncing isn't hard in this metagame.
Just a shitty victini, right?
Origins form is better
Use Sky form
Mew is bulkier, faster and with a better move pool. You dont need to use this.
Completely agree with all of these bar Zekrom, Shaymin, Mewtwo and Togekiss. Zekrom answers Ho-Oh, Pidgega to an extent, Lugia, Waterceus, Aerilate, Skarmory (as a physical attacker!), Tornadus, Archeops, Hoopa-U, Gyarados, Suicune, Kyurem...
Shaymin, meanwhile, is a pidgeotite mon that can beat blissey by virtue of the incredible seed flare. Low ranked to be sure, but with a definite and major niche. Also its stronger/Bulkier than the others.
Togekiss: Actually handles Keld and has reovery, which... literally nothing better does. the only other possibilities are red orb ghosts (stop PDon/Victini/Hippo from using them as well, gain nothing unless ghorgeist, and are still weak to rocks) or shit
like Jellicent. Otherwise, you cant switch in until you mega evolve mew, which is super exploitable.
Mewtwo: Outspeed Pidggar, can come in on sleep, can actually take hits, great coverage, has just about zero opportunity cost in stones/type, and beats Blissey. Lower it, though
As far as myself and my noms:
Unrank Alakazam. It's literal Garbage
Remove Darkrai. How is thi sbetter than Gengar/Hoopa-u, again?
Mandibuzz. Having walls that lose to -ate is an actual joke, especially since it requires wasting sablenite on a mon that dies to Raikou, Thundy, Keldeo, Weavile...
Finally, is there anyone here who has an actual argument as to why we shouldn't get rip of BP, or some kind of counterplay? At this point I cant even run it because its actually not fun to win (requires literally 0 skill), and when playing against it can set up on Swords Dance Landorus-T.
You get lucky with Crits, have Gengar out, run mold breaker Taunt, run Hoopa, or lose. Thats it, no other options. Grains of Salt
if you need more replays I can go out and get some, but I think there has already been sufficient evidence.