Enoch, for the record, I was stating my opinion on the issue at hand about Talon getting banned. So, please don't be rude like that over me stating my opinion on the matter. I appreciate your critiques on what I had to say, I truley do, but imagine acting that rude to newer players to the metagame and to smogon entirely. They'll probably leave and won't think its very fun at all :/ But onto the actual topic. For each type I do believe there are counters for different pokes, gamefreak wouldn't just throw in pokemon that they know will wreck the entire meta. Like for example, I am a long time Ground user, and to this day I struggle against water. That doesn't mean it is impossible, because I know there are counters, and that maybe I just haven't found the perfect 1 yet (I'm that sorta guy who kinda does trial and error). But personally, I am very firm that Talon is in no way terrible.