Other Tier National Dex Alt Metagames Megathread

[zastra]

hi, so my ndlc tour run is unfortunately over thanks to a timely HJK dodge by my opponent, so it's time to post

this is a call to unban terastallisation in the ndlc tier.

With Tera blast Fire or Ice, Voltorb-H could break through it's short list of checks and had basically perfect coverage, which coupled with the best speed stat in the tier meant it was an extremely hard mon to stop.


Tera Fairy would remove its weakness to Sucker Punch, which was the main way of checking it, while also powering up Dazzling Gleam to OHKO most variants of Vullaby, one of it's main checks.


Tera Psychic removes it's weakness to Timburr Mach Punch, one of the main ways of checking it and also allowing it to OHKO Fighting Types like Mienfoo and bulkier poisons that could be used to soft check it like Foongus and Marenie.


+2 248 SpA Deep Sea Tooth Tera Water Clamperl Surf vs. 124 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Foongus: 21-25 (84 - 100%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock


Tera Ghost allowed Nasty Plot sets to avoid damage from Fake Out and Mach Punch which were the main ways of chipping it down after it set up, leading to unhealthy 50/50s where you would have to Knock Off a dark type and risk giving it +2 speed while it was setting up.

all these examples mentioned here make the tier fun, and are not necessarily unhealthy elements. in fact, they are not banworthy by any means. banning the most interesting part of the game has made the tier boring, both building and playing-wise. the same set of sequences, fake out, knock, etc etc... it's monotonous. ndlc was not unbalanced pre-tera ban. if ure having trouble w clamp (lol) just ban that or smth i guess. not tera. if you're worried about "50-50"s, just predict and outplay and/or use your own tera. use your creavity. this move has killed all creativity and i hope the council reviews and reverts the decision asap.

here are 1 2 3 teams i used in the tour if ure interested

 

[Flou]

Terastallisation is Unbanned from NDLC

Following the recent finish of NatDex Little Cup's No-Terastallisation tour, the previous reasons for the mechanics banning became less and less compelling, with Pokemon like Clamperl or Nasty Plot Vullaby still being extremely strong despite not having access to Tera. With the lack of significant positive change following the ban, the council has decided to Unban Terastallisation.

(Scraggy and Flittle are back to being banned btw lol)​

 

[Siamato]

National Dex Camomons
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Introduction
It's a fact that many Pokemon in today's metagame suffer from a bad typing. Pokemon such as Charizard and Abomasnow are perpetually hampered by their crippling 4x weaknesses to some attacks. Wouldn't it be great if they could rid themselves of this burden and blossom with a fresh typing? Well, now you can, with Camomons! Each and every Pokemon in the National Dex turns into the types of the first two moves in their moveslots! Undershadowed Pokemon can now experience a new life in this OM. Even popular Pokemon can transform to fit and match the player's desires. Anything is possible!
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National Dex Camomons Resources Hub

Good day everybody! National Dex Camomons now has a few samples and a quite inaccurate but still useful (maybe?) Viability List! Feel free to check them out to get an idea of what's going on in this meta!

Also resigning from my TL position. Still nominating ghostlike and SammyCe123 for council if they want to join. Both proved recently to deserve this position by respectively winning the NatCamo Kickoff Tour and achieving semi-final. Considering I know them from reg Camo, I can vouch that they are really good Camo players while playing it since not so long a time.

Euphonos will have to choose a new co-leader if he doesn't want to resign as well considering he's unable to contribute anw. This one will get the onwership of the post. You'll see that with hidin. Thanks for offering to this metagame an opportunity to be part of Nat OMs!

For those interested, more details in this post. Farewell.

 

[Evie]

Chien-Pao has been banned from NDGG, Magearna stays banned!

	Orangex	Clas	TheDragonMaster	Aera	NeonJolteonWasUsed	Result
Chien-Pao	DNB	BAN	BAN	BAN	BAN	4-1 BAN
Magearna	UNBAN	UNBAN	DNU	DNU	ABSTAIN	2-2-1 DNU

DNU=Do Not Unban


Chien-Pao was a ridiculously strong Attack receiver, especially combined with Z-Move sets being able to blast through Pokemon like Alomomola and Arceus-Fairy with Darkinium Z and Icium Z respectively. It was very fast, making it hard to revenge kill, and Pokemon that were faster such as Mega Alakazam would get OHKOed by Sucker Punch. The only consistent counterplay was HP Tapu Fini, Unaware Defense Clefable (Magic Guard gets OHKOed by Icium Z), and HP Mega Scizor (needed to be above 50%ish health to not die to Sucker Punch). While these Pokemon were good outside of checking Chien-Pao, it was still deemed too constraining on teambuilding.


Following The Melmetal Incident, council decided to look at Magearna for a possible unban. Generally 3 different sets were used: Defensive HP Spikes, Offensive Speed Choice Specs, and HP Calm Mind + Shift Gear. HP Spikes was a very good set, but not at all broken. Speed Choice Specs had limited counterplay with the best counterplay being SpD Alomomola and HP Mega Scizor and Gholdengo, although they would get Volt Switched on and Alomomola hates Trick as well. Other common walls in Skeledirge and Clodsire could switch in, but didn't like being tricked Choice Specs either, and Skeledirge also being Volt Switched on and Clodsire not taking Ice Beam or Psyshock very well. HP Calm Mind + Shift Gear was very powerful on hyper offense, with counterplay being limited to offensive pressure, Encore Defensive Magearna, and SpD Unaware walls like Skeledirge, Dondozo, and (most of the time) Clodsire. Both Choice Specs and CM + SG were reasonably answerable but the guessing games Magearna caused with these were too much and, in the end, it was deemed too powerful for an unban.

 

[Velcroc]

A few new announcements regarding National Dex STABmons.

Firstly, LBDC has resigned from the council due to personal commitments and not finding time. We thank them for their service. Also, Runo and Amstan joined the council a while back and stepped up for this slate.

Secondly, the ND STABmons code has now been updated. Gen 9 Stabmons now allows Pokemon that lost their Normal-type in Gen 6 (think Clefable, Granbull and Togekiss lines) to learn normal moves.

Finally, the council slated a few Pokemon in anticipation of the National Dex Spotlight Ladder.

Porygon-Z, Terapagos and Baxcalibur have been BANNED from National Dex STABmons​

	Porygon-Z	Silvally	Terapagos	Baxcalibur	Ogerpon-Wellspring	Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Amstan	BAN	ABSTAIN	BAN	BAN	BAN	DNB
RoFnA	BAN	DNB	BAN	DNB	DNB	DNB
Runo	DNB	DNB	ABSTAIN	BAN	BAN	ABSTAIN
Velcroc	BAN	BAN	BAN	BAN	DNB	DNB
Outcome	BANNED	NOTBANNED	BANNED	BANNED	NOT BANNED	NOT BANNED

Porygon-Z is a force to be reckoned with thanks to Adaptability-boosted Boombursts. With Choice Specs equipped, even specially defensive Steel-types such as Heatran and Celesteela struggle to switch in after Stealth Rock. Ghost types that can otherwise tank Boomburst struggle to switch into Dark Pulse. Tyranitar and its mega are the best responses to Porygon-Z due to their typing, special defense buff under sand and access to reliable recovery. However, Tyranitar and Mega-Tyranitar struggle to find a foothold in a metagame dominated by Ogerpon and strong Fighting-types like Great Tusk and Urshifu-Rapid-Strike.

Baxcalibur has proven to be a contentious Pokemon in STABmons leading up to its bans. In National Dex STABmons, Baxcalibur gains access to Icium-Z Glacial Lance that threatens to nuke even sturdy resists. Like Porygon-Z, Baxcalibur has a handful of checks (mostly bulky steels like Mega Scizor), but being forced to run these checks heavily constrains team building. Even would-be counters like Scizor fold to Baxcalibur's barrage with Snow and Aurora Veil support.

Despite terastalization being banned, Terapagos is still a menace in National Dex STABmons thanks to its bulk and ability. Although it does experience competition with other Boombursters like Ursaluna Blood Moon and Porygon-Z, the ability to accumulate multiple Calm Mind boosts and have reliable coverage for many would-be answers pushed Terapagos over the edge.

On Ogerpon and Silvally

Both Ogerpons saw significant usage during the NDOTSL team tour and had a significant constraint in team building and in-game battling. However, with the new DLC adding a greater slew of potential checks like Hydrapple, Gouging Fire and Raging Bolt, and old checks like Mega Latias and Skeledirge rising in usage, the council figured it would be worth keeping the Ogerpons around. Additionally, Hearthflame is significantly worse, as the ban on Terastalisation means that Ivy Cudgel / Pyro Ball are nowhere near the same kill buttons.

Silvally is an odd case. With a respectable 95 stats across the board and access to every move in the game, it should have been overtly broken. Yet, it saw next to no usage in room tours or NDOTSL. 95 Speed is solid in the metagame, but failing to meet critical benchmarks in base 100 and 110 is noticeable for Tail Glow, Take Heart or SD sets. Likewise, 95/95/95 bulk is not enough to withstand quite a few strong Pokemon in the metagame like SD Garchomp. However, Quiver Dance sets, especially with Aurora Veil support, can prove overbearing for the metagame to handle. Nevertheless, the council wanted to give this time before voting on this Pokemon

Watchlist

• Silvally
• Ogerpon-Wellspring
• Ogerpon-Hearthflame
• Ursaluna Blood Moon
• Weavile
• Garchomp
• Manaphy
• Azumarill
• Lilligant Hisui
• Roaring Moon
• Beak Blast
• Triple Arrows

Updated code

/challenge gen9nationaldex @@@ STABmons Move Legality, Sleep Moves Clause, Terastal Clause, -Basculegion,-Basculegion-F, -Enamorus-Base, -Cloyster, -Dragapult,-Dragonite,-Kartana,-Komala, -Porygon-z, -Tapu Koko,-Tapu Lele,-Zoroark-Hisui,*Acupressure,*Astral Barrage,*Belly Drum,*Bolt Beak,*Chatter,*Dire Claw,*Double Iron Bash,*Electrify,*Extreme Speed,*Fillet Away,*Fishious Rend,*Geomancy,-Last Respects,*No Retreat,*Revival Blessing,-Shed Tail,*Shell Smash,*Shift Gear,*Thousand Arrows,*V-Create,*Victory Dance, -Assist, *Gigaton Hammer, *Wicked Blow, *Clangorous Soul, +Kingambit, +Annihilape, +Palafin, +Roaring-Moon, +Shedinja, +Ogerpon-Hearthflame, +Gholdengo, +Ursaluna-Blood-Moon, +Sneasler, -Darkrai

R8

 

[zastra]

hi, did you think i had become old? no! i didn't think I would make an ND NFE post again this soon but here we are. so what made me post? I would outline the points below.

this dlc, we got hit by some really funny things. firstly, the already offensive tyrants, Electabuzz and Magmar, gained access to a move that is arguably the most valuable progress-making tool in the tier: Knock Off. it is worth noting that electabuzz was, according to a few players, borderline broken even prior to DLC 2. in the early metagame (when I was the TL), the council banned pikachu due to its access to amazing coverage and utility in the form of volt switch, surf / gknot, knock off, and extreme speed. but electabuzz too has access to just about the same coverage. is it broken? does extreme speed rly break pikachu when ebuzz is faster and arguably doesn't even need espeed? who knows. before you ask me "what makes ebuzz any different here than in cg nfe", let me tell you that this metagame doesn't have gligar and ebuzz has access to more tools like z-focus blast, hidden power coverage, etc. so what is the point I'm trying to make? I'll get back to you later in the post.

but that's not all. gf has bestowed upon us a mon godly-ish by nfe standards: dipplin. not only is dipplin a stupid defensive monster, it also has access to a grass typing and an ability also great by nfe standards: sticky hold. sticky hold means dipp can't be knocked, allowing it to retain its monstrous bulk and act as a knock absorber. you would think that there's a perfect balance here: 2 knockers and an absorber.

knock is a pivotal part of the metagame, a key factor in progress-making. it is a good tool to test players' game management skills. especially for the one facing the knocker. which mon can afford being hit by a permanent def reduction? which mon to save? I don't think dipp breaks the tier, but, imo, makes the tier unnecessarily boring. it's unhealthy in a sense-- just enough to make me not want to play it, but not unhealthy to the point of being banned. it sucks that its good into balances / bos reliant on mons like gurdurr / servine for progress. ebuzz can't fit volt switch, focus blast, hp ice, thunderbolt, psychic, and knock off all at once; gurdurr can't fit knock off, drain punch, mach punch, bulk up, defog, and ice punch all at once; pawn is nice into dipp, but it has to fear hp fighting; serv can't fit knock, lstorm, synthesis, hp ice, hp fire, glare, and synthesis all at once etc.

however, one could argue that dipp is a necessary evil. it keeps stuff at bay, and is checkable by mons like pilo, ice beamers, etc. but sticky hold is not fun and a brain-dead boring strategy. so I was thinking of ways where we can keep dipplin while also making the tier fun to play-- cuz I'm tried of seeing the same mons with same strats: z ebuzz rocks pilo ss wart gurd serv bat blah blah. I tried some funny stuff in ndotpl and, to my disappointment, failed. shits hilarious lol.

I ultimately came to one conclusion. we must free terastallization. call me crazy. but i firmly believe terastallization+a couple bans maybe would lead to a healthy and fun metagame. a CREATIVE one at that. tera flying acro thwacky? defensive tera steel or something with tort and beam. tera fight ebuzz? counter with tera ground golbat. etc. and do not forget the monster that is dipplin, which can check pretty much everything in theory with the right tera. tera was banned cuz of its brokenness, sure, i was the one who banned it. but i also was the man who banned pikachu and didn't think of freeing it ever. yes, councils make mistakes, (point of para 2) they take time, but what's important is mistakes be corrected.

terastallization is a mechanic that has its pros and cons. if you choose to tera, you don't have the luxury to use z-moves anymore. its the ultimate test of your skill, both building and playing wise. predictions and game management exercised to the fullest extent, the good player knows his stuff and times his tera correctly and wins. no more clicking buttons without thinking. no more braindead clicking of spikes with rose volt w ebuzz etc. a tera ground can cost you your speed control. a tera <x> can cost u your wincon.

overall, NOW is the perfect time to resuspect tera back into the tier-- with so much potent offensive and defensive options. let's convert this skill-less, boring tier into a fun and creative one. thank you.

 

[Flou]

wake up babe new ndlc vr just dropped

Rises

(S- to S) It's Mienfoo lol

(A+ to S-) About as easy to explain as Mienfoo, insanely good with multiple usable sets (Groundium-Z, Air Balloon, Life Orb, Choice Scarf) and can use Tera to trap mons that it normally would be scared out by, like Snivy

(A to A+) Ferroseed brings value to nearly any match and as a defensive Pokemon its only real weakness is the lack of reliable recovery, which can be solved by pairing with Spritzee. Hazards and Thunder Wave are amazing for just one teamslot, and its great typing helps many teams

(A to A+) Generates so much momentum as well as offensive pressure and is an electric type that doesn't suck into ground types

(A- to A) Access to Tera Blast is a huge buff, can get past checks a little easier and has a stronger option than Hidden Power. Can also use tricks like Tera Steel + Substitute to completely flip the tables on Foongus

(A- to A) Set diversity between Z-Move sets, Berry Juice or Eviolite Will-O-Wisp Morning Sun gives it high value in most matches, with its biggest weaknesses being Stealth Rock and trapping from Diglett, but there are ways around both

(B+ to A-) Click Shell Smash on physical attacker and kill everything

(B to A-) This thing was criminally underrated when first added to the VR, checking it is often a coordinated effort between Pokemon like Mienfoo to scout its moves and then switching to a Fire resist if it clicks Flare Blitz. Even more brutal is guessing that it's Choice Scarf and getting Flame Charged.

(B+ to A-) Veils

(B to B+) Like Shellder but is restricted to Veils, has the power to OHKO basically the entire meta and makes priority moves a near neccessity to stop it assuming it gets a Shell Smash off, zastra dont pick dogshit-to-build for mons on the next teambuilding comp lc cycle thanks

(C to B+) Getting Knock Off AND Gunk Shot and not losing Pursuit is pretty insane for the skunk lol, lots of potential here

and (C to B) The veils abusers are good? Really?

(UR to B) Tera Normal Life Orb Tail Slap basically impossible to survive if not a resist, viable until proven fraudlent

(C to B-) It got Knock Off which helps it beat stuff like Mudbray or Foongus, time will tell if this mon is a fraud

(UR to C) Kinda got glossed over when it arrived (ndlc was dead) but has some shenanigans with wisp hex or Nasty Plot sets

Not writing sentences for these mons but know that Quaxly, Sandygast, Trubbish and Axew rose to D and Tinkatink rose to C

Drops

(A+ to B+) Competition from the much better Diglett and 4mss causes trouble for it. EQ and First Impression are required, wishes it could run Crunch, Stone Edge, Stealth Rock or Superpower all together but it can't do that and its viability fell, it was also overrated on the VR to begin with

(A+ to A) Timburr has a lot of struggles vs top Pokemon and faces competition from #2 of NDLC Mienfoo, becomes harder to justify it on most teams, but is still good enough to not fall off a cliff

(A to A-) Wingull is good, but it's incredibly specific and practically a one and done nuke with Flyinium-Z. Its value is still there, but A tier wasn't reflective of its viability

(A- to B+) Not as consistent as before, if you get one Volt Switch prediction wrong on something like Diglett its over

(A- to B+) Plenty of viable steels and dark types at the top of the VR, as well as stuff like Koffing ignoring Shadow Tag makes Gothita pretty terrible, also Tera exists so its kinda hard to trap unless you're using trick

(A- to B+) Grassy Glide nerf also Vullaby exists in this tier, recipe for being hard to use

(A- to B+) Berry Juice is harder to keep than in other lc gens, and if it runs Eviolite it has no recovery, making is hard to justify over a traditional fight check like Koffing or Mareanie, still has some nice qualities in Thunder Wave and its crazy coverage

(A- to B+) Competition from better fire types, no real coverage outside of something like Energy Ball

(B to B-) This guy is really hard to use, preyed upon by the common Vullaby and Mienfoo, scared to death by Pony and H-Growlithe. Hard to put it much lower because of the utility it does provide, but it certainly has some noticable flaws.

(B to C) Its only good quality is First Impression, I will leave it to Greedy_eb to make this mon work :)

(B- to C) Spikes + fucking over normal grass resists like foongus isn't really good enough when it doesn't do much else for a team

(B- to C) NEEDS hazard removal to function as a Pokemon and its hard to fit those just for 1 mon

(B- to C) Passive, but Teleport can pair well with breakers to get them in for free

(B- to C) Can no longer run Crit-me-Not with Recover being nerfed to 8 PP, so it's stuck to a passive bulky Stealth Rocker, which has some pretty big issues

 

[zastra]

hey everyone, I'm here with some ND NFE news!

Firstly, zastra has rejoined ND NFE council! Welcome back!

Secondly, the council held a slate! The candidates were Dipplin and Pikachu. For transparency, I'm gonna include council logs on the topics discussed.

	Velcroc	zastra	Sealoo	CaoJie	db	RESULT!
​	WAIT​	WAIT​	QB​	WAIT​	QB​	DECISION ON HOLD​
​	UNBAN​	UNBAN​	UNBAN​	UNBAN​	-​	UNBAN​

PIKACHU HAS BEEN UNBANNED IN NATIONAL DEX NFE!

Dipplin:
In my post here, I explained the impact of Dipplin in the metagame. However, the council ultimately deemed it unworthy of a quickban right now. Though it might seem too much, given time, there is a possibility that Dipplin would prove to be balanced. The council will keep a close eye on it, monitoring it in the upcoming tournaments, namely, ND NFE Seasonal, NDOTSL, and possibly NFEPL. It'll be revisited in the near future and be on our #1 priority list.

Pikachu:
Initially banned due to its amazing movepool, offensive stats, and speed, the council believes Pikachu is not banworthy now and will be a balanced addition to the metagame. The electric rat might arguably be worse than Electabuzz right now, considering the latter also gets Knock Off now; and of course, in a Dipplin metagame, it's not like it's a monster to switch into.

Thirdly, VR and sample teams have been updated! Click HERE for the voting sheet! You can find what the members voted along with their notes on the sheet.
The OP will be updated to reflect the changes soon.
VR: *bold indicates major changes | *Pikachu has been left in the [NEW] Category for now; once the metagame settles a bit, we will hold a minor VR slate to determine Pikachu's rank in the metagame
Rises:
from NEW to S
from A+ to S
from A+ to S
from A to A+
from A- to S
from A- to A
from A- to A
from B+ to A-
from B+ to A-
from B+ to A
from B+ to A-
from B to B+
from B- to A
from B- to B
from B- to B+
from C+ to B
from C to B-
from UR to C
from UR to C
from UR to A-

Drops:
from S to A+
from A+ to A
from A to A-
from A to A-
from A to A-
from A- to B
from A- to B+
from A- to B
from A- to B+
from A+ to A
from B+ to B
from B+ to B
from B+ to B
from B+ to B
from B+ to B
from B+ to B
from B+ to C+
from B to B-
from B to B-
from B to C+
from B to C
from B to UR
from B- to C+
from B- to C
from B- to C
from B- to C+
from B- to UR
from B- to UR
from C+ to C
from C to UR

REASONING FOR MAJOR CHANGES:
[NEW to S]
To nobody's surprise, Dipplin cements itself as an S tier threat threat in the metagame. Its typing, ability, stats, and movepool just make it the perfect glue mon, providing the team with a blanket check to numerous attackers, knock absorber, and late-game cleaner with Growth or phazer with Dragon Tail.

[A- to S]
With the rise of Grass-types in the metagame, it was only natural that a Fire-type such as Magmar would rise. Z move, Choice Specs, Heavy-Duty Boots, Sitrus Belly Drum-- Magmar can run a plethora of viable sets and blow holes in the opposing team if they are unprepared. Overall, it's an amazingly fast breaker that is worthy of being in the S rank.

[B+ to A]
After a successful NDOTSL campaign, Pawniard finds itself on the A tier list, a direct upgrade from its former B rank. A threatening sweeper and revenge killer with Swords Dance and Sucker Punch, Pawniard is also a perfect fit on popular hazard stack teams thanks to its ability Defiant, which punishes defog to a great extent. Stealth Rock and Pursuit sets are also pretty good and picking up usage.

[B- to A]
This might surprise people, considering Quaxwell was barely even used in any test game-- let alone tournament / NDOTSL. However, Quaxwell is a mon with potential rivaling that of Wartortle, which was an A+ tier pick. However, the DLCs game Quaxwell access to moves such as Flip Turn and Triple Axle, and alongwith the utility of Roost and Rapid Spin, Quaxwell is a great bulky water that is capable of effectively handling popular foes such as Magmar and Piloswine, arguably more effectively than Wartortle thanks to recovery.

[UR to A-]
UR to A- is a rise of all time-- Koffing has a nice poison typing and bulk. Its utility with WoW, Toxic Spikes, NGas, Pain Split, etc. is nothing to laugh at, which warranted such a drastic rise.

[S to A+]
Piloswine is no longer "the best" pokemon in the metagame-- with rise of a Grass / Dragon that it can't even OHKO with its main STAB, Electric-types that easily muscle past it, Quaxwell, Magmar, among other things, council believes Piloswine is not on the level of Electabuzz, Golbat, and Dipplin and thus it lost its S spot.

It is impossible to explain every change, but if you have any questions about the rises / drops, feel free to post here or DM me-- I will try to answer you within 24 hours! Also, the VR is not set in stone, feel free to post nominations-- depending on your nominations, we may hold a mini slate and vote on your suggestion (especially UR nominations)!

As for samples, a new sample team has been added-- featuring Dipplin! A couple of outdated ones have been removed as well. You can find the info in the sheet, and I will try to update the OP soon too.

Finally, the council also plans to revisit Terastallization at some point in the near future. Posts on the topic, metagame discussion either here or on discord, etc. are appreciated: if you have thoughts, post away! There might even be a Free Tera ND NFE Tournament in a while, so stay tuned.

 

[zastra]

posted it in the wrong thread :p

ND NFE Role Compendium is now up! The list is far from complete though, so suggesting changes / additions are appreciated!! On another note, the VR changes are also live in the OP. We'll be working on a set compendium now. If you wanna contribute, feel free to reach out to me or Velcroc.

format stolen from 5dot's SV NFE version
★ Entry Hazard Setters ★
Stealth Rock:

Spikes:

Toxic Spikes:

★ Entry Hazard Removal / Deterrents ★
Defog:

Rapid Spin:

Magic Bounce:

Defiant / Contrary:

Spinblockers:

★ Setup move users ★
Swords Dance:

Nasty Plot:

Calm Mind:

Dragon Dance:

Bulk Up:

Coil:

Curse:

Iron Defense / Acid Armor:

Moody:

Shell Smash:

Speed Boost:

Belly Drum:


★ Wallbreakers ★
Physical:

Special:

Mixed:

★ Revenge Killers ★
Choice Scarf:

Priority:

Naturally Fast:

★ Walls ★
Physical:

Special:

Mixed:

★ Momentum ★
U-turn:

Volt Switch:

Flip Turn:

Parting Shot:

Memento:

★ Utility ★
Knock Off / Thief / Covet:

Trick / Switcheroo:

Other:

(Magician) (Pickpocket)
Roar / Whirlwind:

Dragon Tail:

Toxic:

Will-O-Wisp:

Thunder Wave / Nuzzle:

Haze:

Unaware:

Healing Wish:

 

[Amstan]

i posted speed tiers in wrong thread so posting here as well

i know i said this would be done a week earlier but i lied zastra and i was !! (SLAKING REFERENCE)


This was my first time making speed tiers/resources in a tier at all so this may be pretty sloppy and feature mons that don't run that speed or i might have missed some tiers

If you would like to suggest a change, contact me on discord ---> amstan_


enjoy the tiers

Speed	Sprite	Pokemon	Base	Nature	IVs	EVs	±
744		Barraskewda	136	Neutral	31	252	+2
634		Yanmega	95	Positive	31	252	+2
606		Hawlucha	118	Neutral	31	124	+2
604		Excadrill	88	Positive	31	252	+1
590		Kingdra	85	Positive	31	252	+2
590		Ceruledge	85	Positive	31	252	+2
574		Blaziken	80	Positived	31	252	+2
571		Iron Boulder	124	Positive	31	252	+1
565		Greninja	122	Positive	31	252	+1
555		Roaring Moon	119	Positive	31	252	+1
550		Excadrill	88	Neutral	31	252	+2
546		Iron Valiant	116	Positive	31	252	+1
542		Drednaw	74	Positive	31	252	+2
524		Polteageist	70	Posotive	31	252	+2
519		Iron Jugilis	108	Positive	31	252	+1
516		Blacephalon	107	Positive	31	252	+1
513		Iron Treads	106	Positive	31	252	+1
499		Garchomp	102	Positive	31	252	+1
496		Lilligant-Hisui	105	Positive	31	252	+1
492		Gardevoir-Mega	100	Positive	31	252	+1
492		Jirachi	100	Positive	31	252	+1
492		Volcarona	100	Positive	31	252	+1
492		Mega Charizard X	100	Positive	31	252	+1
486		Iron Crown	98	Positive	31	252	+1
480		Dracozolt	75	Neutral	31	252	+2
475		Yanmega	95	Positive	31	252	+1
475		Obstagoon	95	Positive	31	252	+1
466		Garchomp-Mega	92	Positive	31	252	+1
463		Gouging Fire	91	Positive	31	252	+1
450		Great Tusk	87	Positive	31	252	+1
448		Volcarona	100	Neutral	31	252	+1
442		Kingdra	85	Positive	31	252	+1
442		Kommo-O	85	Positive	31	252	+1
438		Aerodactyl-Mega	150	Positive	31	252	0
430		Gyarados-Mega	81	Positive	31	252	+1
427		Beedrill-Mega	145	Positive	31	252	0
426		Altaria-Mega	80	Positive	31	252	+1
426		Hoopa-U	80	Positive	31	252	+1
426		Blaziken	80	Positive	31	252	+1
423		Zeraora	143	Positive	31	252	0
421		Gouging Fire	91	Neutral	31	252	+1
420		Diggersby	78	Positive	31	252	+1
408		Barraskewda	136	Positive	31	252	0
405		Lopunny-Mega	135	Positive	31	252	0
394		aerodactyl	130	Positive	31	252	0
386		Talonflame	126	Positive	31	252	0
383		Weavile	125	Positive	31	252	0
381		Iron-Boulder	124	Positive	31	252	0
381		Ribombee	124	Positive	31	252	0
379		Meowscarada	123	Positive	31	252	0
377		Greninja	122	Positive	31	252	0
375		Pidgeot-Mega	121	Positive	31	252	0
375		Tornadus-Therian	121	Positive	31	252	0
372		alakazam	120	Positive	31	252	0
370		Cinderace	119	Positive	31	252	0
370		Roaring-Moon	119	Positive	31	252	0
368		Hawlucha	118	Positive	31	252	0
364		Iron-Valiant	116	Positive	31	252	0
361		Zygarde-10	115	Positive	31	252	0
357		Serperior	113	Positive	31	252	0
353		Scream-Tail	111	Positive	31	252	0
350		Gengar	110	Positive	31	252	0
350		Iron-Moth	110	Positive	31	252	0
350	()	Latias	110	Positive	31	252	0
350	()	Latios	110	Positive	31	252	0
350		Diancie-Mega	110	Positive	31	252	0
350		Gallade-Mega	110	Positive	31	252	0
350		Ogerpon (all formes)	110	Positive	31	252	0
348		Heliolisk	109	Positive	31	252	0
348		Ninetales-Alola	109	Positive	31	252	0
346		Iron-Jugulis	108	Positive	31	252	0
346		Terrakion	108	Positive	31	252	0
344		Blacephalon	107	Positive	31	252	0
342		Iron-Treads	106	Positive	31	252	0
342		Munkidori	106	Positive	31	252	0
339		Lilligant-Hisui	105	Positive	31	252	0
333		Garchomp	102	Positive	31	252	0
331		Sandy-Shocks	101	Positive	31	252	0
331		Thundurus-Therian	101	Positive	31	252	0
328		Jirachi	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Manaphy	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Charizard-Mega-X	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Charizard-Mega-Y	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Gardevoir-Mega	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Medicham-Mega	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Mew	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Palafin	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Salamence	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Victini	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Volcarona	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Zapdos	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Zapdos-Galar	100	Positive	31	252	0
324		Hydreigon	98	Positive	31	252	0
324		Iron-Crown	98	Positive	31	252	0
322		Urshifu-Rapid-Strike	97	Positive	31	252	0
317		Kyurem	95	Positive	31	252	0
317		Obstagoon	95	Positive	31	252	0
317		Silvally	95	Positive	31	252	0
317		Yanmega	95	Positive	31	252	0
315		Tinkaton	94	Positive	31	252	0
315		Great Tusk	87	Neutral	31	0	+1
311		Lokix	92	Positive	31	252	0
311		Garchomp-Mega	92	Positive	31	252	0
309		Gouging-Fire	91	Positive	31	252	0
309		Landorus-Therian	91	Positive	31	252	0
306		Annihilape	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Arcanine-Hisui	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Moltres	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Moltres-Galar	90	Positive	31	252	0
302		Excadrill	88	Positive	31	252	0
300		Great-Tusk	87	Positive	31	252	0
299		Manaphy	100	Neutral	31	252	0
298		Glimmora	86	Positive	31	252	0
298		Rotom-Wash	86	Positive	31	252	0
295		Archaludon	85	Positive	31	252	0
295		Ceruledge	85	Positive	31	252	0
295		Kingdra	85	Positive	31	252	0
295		Kleavor	85	Positive	31	252	0
295		Kommo-o	85	Positive	31	252	0
295		Samurott-Hisui	85	Positive	31	252	0
293		Gholdengo	84	Positive	31	252	0
291		Xurkitree	83	Positive	31	252	0
289		Kyurem	95	Neutral	31	252	0
287		Gyarados	81	Positive	31	252	0
287		Gyarados-Mega	81	Positive	31	252	0
284		Blaziken	80	Positive	31	252	0
284		Hoopa-Unbound	80	Positive	31	252	0
284		Mamoswine	80	Positive	31	252	0
284		Altaria-Mega	80	Positive	31	252	0
284		Okidogi	80	Positive	31	252	0
284		Togekiss	80	Positive	31	252	0
282		Buzzwole	79	Positive	31	252	0
281		Gouging Fire	91	Neutral	31	252	0
280		Diggersby	78	Positive	31	252	0
278		Heatran	77	Positive	31	252	0
273		Heracross-Mega	75	Positive	31	252	0
273		Tapu-Bulu	75	Positive	31	252	0
271		Drednaw	74	Positive	31	252	0
262		Decidueye	70	Positive	31	252	0
262		Swampert-Mega	70	Positive	31	252	0
262		Metagross	70	Positive	31	252	0
262		Polteageist	70	Positive	31	252	0
262		Volcanion	70	Positive	31	252	0
250		Altaria-Mega	80	Neutral	31	252	0
259		Togekiss	80	Neutral	31	252	0
257		Buzzwole	79	Neutral	31	252	0
255		Zapdos	100	Neutral	31	76	0
253		Heatran	77	Neutral	31	252	0
249		Tapu-Bulu	75	Neutral	31	252	0
249		Armarouge	75	Neutral	31	252	0
248		Iron Treads	106	Neutral	31	0	0
240		Dracozolt	75	Neutral	31	252	0
249		Heracross-Mega	75	Neutral	31	252	0
241		Tyranitar-Mega	71	Neutral	31	252	0
240		aegislash	60	Positive	31	252	0
240		Magnezone	60	Positive	31	252	0
239		Metagross	70	Positive	31	252	0
239		Decidueye	70	Neutral	31	252	0
239		Swampert-Mega	70	Neutral	31	252	0
239		Volcanion	70	Neutral	31	252	0
236		Zapdos	100	Neutral	31	0	0
236		Manaphy	100	Neutral	31	0	0
232		Iron Crown	98	Neutral	31	0	0
229		Gliscor	95	Neutral	31	12	0
229		Crawdaunt	55	Positive	31	252	0
229		Golurk	55	Positive	31	252	0
224		Tinkaton	94	Neutral	31	0	0
221		Tyranitar	61	Neutral	31	252	0
220		Venusaur-Mega	80	Neutral	31	96	0
220		Gholdengo	84	Neutral	31	64	0
219		Raging-Bolt	75	Neutral	31	132	0
219		Scizor-Mega	75	Neutral	31	132	0
219		aegislash	60	Neutral	31	252	0
219		Magnezone	60	Neutral	31	252	0
218		Landorus-T	91	Neutral	31	0	0
218		Azumarill	50	Positive	31	252	0
216		Moltres	90	Neutral	31	0	0
216		Annihilape	90	Neutral	31	0	0
216		Deoxys-D	90	Neutral	31	0	0
212		Pecharunt	88	Neutral	31	0	0
210		Great Tusk	87	Neutral	31	0	0
209		Tyranitar-Mega	71	Neutral	31	125	0
209		Crawdaunt	55	Neutral	31	252	0
209		Golurk	55	Neutral	31	252	0
208		Rotom Heat	86	Neutral	31	0	0
206		Tapu Fini	85	Neutral	31	0	0
204		Gholdengo	84	Neutral	31	0	0
199		Azumarill	50	Positive	31	252	0
199		Iron-hands	50	Neutral	31	252	0
199		Kingambit	50	Neutral	31	252	0
199		Mawile-Mega	50	Neutral	31	252	0
196		Mandibuzz	80	Neutral	31	0	0
196		Shedinja	40	Positive	31	252	0
191		Scizor-Mega	75	Neutral	31	20	0
190		Heatran	77	Neutral	31	0	0
189		Marowak-Alola	45	Neutral	31	252	0
176		Skarmory	70	Neutral	31	0	0
171		Ursaluna	50	Neutral	31	140	0
170		Corviknight	67	Neutral	31	0	0
168		Skeledirge	66	Neutral	31	0	0
166		Pelipper	65	Neutral	31	0	0
164		Chesnaught	64	Neutral	31	0	0
158		Celesteela	61	Neutral	31	0	0
156		Sylveon	60	Neutral	31	0	0
156		Grimmsnarl	60	Neutral	31	0	0
156		Swampert	60	Neutral	31	0	0
156		Clefable	60	Neutral	31	0	0
156		Weezing-Galar	60	Neutral	31	0	0
146		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	0	0
136		Tangrowth	50	Neutral	31	0	0
136		Muk-Alola	50	Neutral	31	0	0
136		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	0	0
130		Hippowdon	47	Neutral	31	0	0
128		Enamorus-Therian	46	Neutral	31	0	0
127		Hydrapple	44	Neutral	31	12	0
126		Ting-Lu	45	Neutral	31	0	0
114		Gastrodon	39	Neutral	31	0	0
106		Dondozo	35	Neutral	31	0	0
106		Quagsire	35	Neutral	31	0	0
109		Reuniclus	30	Neutral	31	52	0
108		Hatterene	29	Neutral	31	56	0
96		Slowbro-Mega	30	Neutral	31	0	0
96		Slowbro-Galar	30	Neutral	31	0	0
96		Steelix-Mega	30	Neutral	31	0	0
76		Clodsire	20	Neutral	31	0	0
76		Camerupt-Mega	20	Neutral	31	0	0
76		Sableye-Mega	20	Neutral	31	0	0
76		Torkoal	20	Neutral	31	0	0
76		Ferrothorn	20	Neutral	31	0	0
67		Toxapex	35	Negative	0	0	0
58		Slowking-Galar	30	Negative	0	0	0
58		Slowking	30	Negative	0	0	0
58		Slowbro	30	Negative	0	0	0

e: there was some extra rows on table

now im freeing vr


Sorted in terms of viability and alphabetical


Top Viability (S, A+):
Landorus-T
Ogerpon-W
Ting-Lu
Toxapex


Celesteela
Gholdengo
Kingambit
Lopunny-Mega
Tapu Bulu
Roaring Moon

Very Good Viability (A):
Azumarill
Great Tusk
Greninja
Iron Hands
Iron Valiant
Latios
Manaphy
Latias-Mega
Mawile-Mega
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Rotom-W
Silvally-Fairy
Ursaluna-BM
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Weavile

Good Viability (A-, B+):
Aegislash
Aerodactyl
Blacephalon
Buzzwole
Diancie-Mega
Ferrothorn
Garchomp
Gouging-Fire
Gyarados
Heatran
Iron Boulder
Kyurem
Medicham-Mega
Meloetta
Pecharunt
Scizor-Mega
Silvally-Electric
Silvally-Ground
Thundurus
Tyranitar
Tyranitar-Mega
Zamazenta

Mega Charizard X
Mega Charizard Y
Corviknight
Grimmsnarl
Iron Moth
Latios-Mega
Lilligant-H
Magnezone
Raging Bolt
Sableye-Mega
Silvally-Dark
Silvally-Dragon
Silvally-Ghost
Skeledirge
Slowbro-Mega
Slowking-Galar
Tapu Fini
Terakkion
Thundurus-T
Ursaluna
Zapdos
Zapdos-Galar

Mid Viability (B, B-):
Annihilape
Blaziken
Blissey
Ceruledge
Chansey
Clefable
Crawdaunt
Excadrill
Gliscor
Hatterene
Heliolisk
Hippowdown
Hoopa-U
Hydrapple
Iron Jugulis
Ogerpon-C
Mamoswine
Meowscarada
Moltres
Moltres-Galar
Swampert-Mega
Venusaur-Mega
Salamence
Silvally-Poison
Silvally-Water
Sneasler
Sylveon
Tangrowth
Victini
Xurkitree




Alomomola
Altaria-Mega
Archaludon
Barraskewda'
Clodsire
Dondozo
Enamorus-T
Gastrodon (blue gastro is objectively better NOOBS)
Glimmora
Hawlucha
Heracross-Mega
Hydreigon
Iron Crown
Jirachi
Keldeo
Kommo-O
Ninetales-Alola
obstagoon
Pelipper
Reuniclus
Rotom-H
Silvally
Slowking
Swampert
Talonflame
Torkoal
Weezing-G
Zeraora

Low Viability:


Alakazam
Amoonguss
Arcanine Hisui
Armarouge
Basculegion
Basculegion-F
Camerupt Mega
Chesnaught
Cinderace
Decidueye
Deoxys-Defense
Diggersby
Ditto
Dracozolt
Drednaw
Gallade Mega
Garchomp Mega
Golurk
Indeedee
Iron Treads
Kingdra
Kleavor
Latias
Lokix
Mandibuzz
Marowak Alola
Metagross
Mew
Mimikyu
Minior
Muk Alola
Munkidori
Okidogi
Pidgeot Mega
Quagsire
Ribombee
Samurott-Hisui
Sandy Shocks
Scream Tail
Serperior
Shedinja
Skarmory
Slowbro Galar
Steelix-Mega
Tinkaton
Togekiss
Yanmega
Zygarde-10

 

[Kin+ak (✧∇✧)]

it's for AAA right?

 

[Velcroc]

it's for AAA right?

STABmons, AAA resources have their own thread here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...bility-spotlight-ladder-of-the-month.3726510/

 

[Kin+ak (✧∇✧)]

STABmons, AAA resources have their own thread here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...bility-spotlight-ladder-of-the-month.3726510/

Then what is that post above for?

 

[cat]

Then what is that post above for?

that post contains the viability rankings for ND stabmons.

 

[TheRealItsWolf]

How do i play these? They’re not available in teambuilder…

 

[Velcroc]

How do i play these? They’re not available in teambuilder…

Most of these formats are played via challenges by copying the code and pasting it in a user's PM. You can request these formats (and more) for a room tour in the National Dex Other Tiers room on Pokemon Showdown. All room staff can set tours, so check who's available by looking at the user list or th command /roomstaff. Yearly, we try to have at least 1 seasonal for the major formats here (which can be seen in this same subforum; AAA is finishing up, Camo and BH are just getting started and sign ups are still up for convergence).

Finally, all NDOMs are eligible to be voted on for the monthly ladder. ND STAB can be played right now by clicking on Format and heading over the National Dex section. NDOT spotlights will usually appear below doubles and above gen 8 Nat Dex. Unfortunately, it's only 1 metagame for a month so competition is pretty tight between the formats, but you will most likely be able to play metagames like Balanced Hackmons, LC, AAA and STAB at least once a year.

Hope that clears up any questions.

 

[TheRealItsWolf]

Most of these formats are played via challenges by copying the code and pasting it in a user's PM. You can request these formats (and more) for a room tour in the National Dex Other Tiers room on Pokemon Showdown. All room staff can set tours, so check who's available by looking at the user list or th command /roomstaff. Yearly, we try to have at least 1 seasonal for the major formats here (which can be seen in this same subforum; AAA is finishing up, Camo and BH are just getting started and sign ups are still up for convergence).

Finally, all NDOMs are eligible to be voted on for the monthly ladder. ND STAB can be played right now by clicking on Format and heading over the National Dex section. NDOT spotlights will usually appear below doubles and above gen 8 Nat Dex. Unfortunately, it's only 1 metagame for a month so competition is pretty tight between the formats, but you will most likely be able to play metagames like Balanced Hackmons, LC, AAA and STAB at least once a year.

Hope that clears up any questions.

Why get rid of them seasonally? it feels kind of counter-intuitive to go through the effort of adding another OM only to make it hard to access.

 

[Notgamingreally]

Why get rid of them seasonally? it feels kind of counter-intuitive to go through the effort of adding another OM only to make it hard to access.

Idk there’s probably some technical cost to keeping up a whole ass perma ladder that isn’t too worth unless there’s a lotta games there

 

[Velcroc]

I am posting this announcement here as it will be the LAST STABmons announcement made in the Mega Thread. We have moved over here. Feel free to check the thread and its resources out.

Pecharunt, Araquanid, Last Respects and Damp Rock are banned. Triple Arrows is restricted. Mega Alakazam and Regieleki are Unbanned.

Results

Bans

	Amstan	RoFnA	Runo	Velcroc	Hidin	Outcome
Pecharunt	Ban	Ban	Ban	Ban	Ban	Banned
Araquanid	Ban	Ban	abstain	Ban	Ban	Banned
Ogerpon-Wellspring	Ban	DNB	DNB	DNB	Ban	Not Banned
Silvally	DNB	DNB	abstain	abstain	DNB	Not Banned
Garchomp	Ban	Ban	abstain	DNB	DNB	Not Banned
Triple Arrows	Restrict	Restrict	DNR	Restrict	Restrict	Restricted
Last Respects	Ban	Ban	DNB	Ban	Ban	Banned
Damp Rock	Ban	Ban	DNB	DNB	Ban	Banned

Unbans

	Amstan	RoFnA	Runo	Velcroc	Hidin	Outcome
Mega Alakazam	Unban	Do Not Unban	abstain	Unban	Unban	Unbanned
Regieleki	Unban	Unban	Unban	Unban	Unban	Unbanned

For in-depth reasoning, check out the concurrent post on the STABmons thread. As I mentioned, I'm posting this here because this is the last announcement that will be made on this thread. I am also posting this here in the event that someone asks, "hang on why can't I use Pecharunt" or "why is Mega Alakazam legal?", and glosses over the STABmons thread.

 

[Velcroc]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-other-metagames-megathread.3720640/post-9602139

How do megas work in this metagame? Do the base mon and the mega evo count as two seperate mons and give two abilities or only the base mon can give abilities?

They count as the same mon. God donates from its base form (MMX donates Mewtwo stats, Zacian Crowned donates Zacian stats) and megas receive stats from Gods (Mega Heracross gets the speed stat of Arceus if they're on the same team for e.g.).

 

[ILikeToTouchGrass]

>In this OM each time you send out a Pokémon it will share its ability with the rest of its team, so the first Pokémon you send out will have one ability and the second two, and so on up to 6 different abilities all active, obviously if you send back the first Pokémon now it will have all 6 abilities.

How do megas work in this metagame? Do the base mon and the mega evo count as two seperate mons and give two abilities or only the base mon can give abilities?

 

[ILikeToTouchGrass]

They count as the same mon. God donates from its base form (MMX donated Mewtwo stats, Zacian Crowned donated Zacian stats) and megas receive stats from Gods (Mega Heracross gets the speed stat of Arceus if they're on the same team for e.g.).

Ah, but I'm asking about Shared Power ability mechanics. Thanks for the clarification on Godly Gift tho

 

[Imw0rstadP0keM0n]

Hi, I made a Nat Dex CE Spreadsheet

here it is lol i'ma finish editing this soon

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmS5PaFjXh_QAHEvSNOqM6JWa7HPXw-xWjIG8AbtLvU/edit?usp=sharing

ND CE is interesting because not only are a variety more strong and powerful options for prevos/crevos, there's also Megas to keep in mind, as well as a bunch more powerful Ubers to keep an eye on. Some potential sets I'd be interested in running in the meta

+

haha bo'ol o wah'uh

Araquanid (Carvanha) @ Choice Scarf/Choice Band
Ability: Water Bubble
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Flip Turn
- Liquidation
- Sticky Web/Destiny Bond

haha 120 attack water bubble stab attacks. 80 speed is enough to outspeed most walls, and with scarf the more bulky threats. Util moves are limited but I figured those two would be the best "last ditch effort" moves in the list.

+

a solid fairy, in my CE?

Milotic (Spritzee) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Marvel Scale
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Recover
- Scald/Flip Turn
- Haze/Flip Turn

Very bulky and hard to kill fairy type with decent SpA. Can potentially slow pivot with Flip Turn if you need that.

+

sanic the banned hog

Scolipede (Bisharp) @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Protect

speed boost sweeper on a pokemon that wouldn't do that normally. seems good

 

[SkyOfSouls]

zastra

Resources

VIABILITY RANKINGS (UPDATED!)

◆ S Rank ◆​

Reserved for Pokemon that are absolutely meta-defining. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.
​

Dipplin [Eviolite]
Electabuzz [Fightinium Z / Eviolite / Heavy-Duty Boots]
Golbat [Eviolite]
Magmar [Choice Specs / Fightinium Z / Heavy-Duty Boots / Eviolite]

★★★ A Rank ★★★​

Reserved for Pokemon that perform extremely well in the metagame. These Pokemon are typically considered excellent Pokemon let down by a few faults, thus keeping them out of S Rank. They typically require more support than an S Rank Pokemon, but nonetheless are very effective.​

A+
Frogadier [Focus Sash / Grassium Z / Heavy Duty Boots / Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
Gurdurr [Eviolite / Flame Orb]
Piloswine [Eviolite / Choice Band / Icium Z]
Servine [Eviolite / Normalium Z / Choice Scarf]

A
Corsola-Galar [Eviolite]
Misdreavus [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
Quaxwell [Eviolite]
Roselia [Eviolite]
Thwackey [Eviolite / Grassy Seed / Choice Band]
Wartortle [Eviolite / Icium Z]

A-
Clefairy [Eviolite]
Crocalor [Eviolite]
Dunsparce [Eviolite]
Duosion [Eviolite]
Koffing [Eviolite]
Machoke [Eviolite / Icium Z / Flame Orb]
Marshtomp [Eviolite]
Raboot [Choice Band / Normalium Z / Heavy Duty Boots / Fightinium Z / Eviolite]
Rhydon [Buginium Z / Eviolite / Choice Scarf / Focus Sash]
Tangela [Eviolite / Life Orb]
Tinkatuff [Eviolite / Air Balloon]

★★ B Rank ★★​

B Rank Pokemon are typically considered good, but overall quite niche, and require much more support than a Pokemon in A or S Rank. Their flaws are also much more prominent than Pokemon in S or A Rank, making them less effective overall​

B+
Ferroseed [Eviolite / Focus Sash]
Fraxure [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Choice Band]
Gabite [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
Girafarig [Eviolite]
Hattrem [Eviolite]
Vigoroth [Eviolite]

B
Drakloak [Eviolite]
Ivysaur [Eviolite / Life Orb]
Klang [Eviolite]
Lampent [Choice Scarf]
Galarian Linoone [Toxic Orb / Eviolite]
Mareanie [Eviolite]
Monferno [Electrium Z / Eviolite]
Morgrem [Light Clay]
Naclstack [Eviolite]
Rufflet [Choice Band / Eviolite]
Sliggoo-Hisui [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Life Orb]
Toedscool [Eviolite]
Vullaby [Eviolite]
Vulpix [Heat Rock]

B-
Glimmet [Focus Sash]
Hakammo-o [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Dragonium Z]
Lairon [Eviolite / Choice Band]
Metang [Eviolite]
Swirlix [Grassy Seed]
Zweilous [Choice Band / Eviolite / Darkinium Z]

★ C Rank ★​

C Rank Pokemon are generally mediocre in the metagame. They typically require much more support than Pokemon higher up the viability rankings, although they can still be effective in the right circumstances.
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C+
Combusken [Electrium Z / Fightinium Z / Eviolite]
Dartrix [Eviolite]
Krokorok [Choice Scarf]
Mienfoo [Choice Scarf]

C
Fletchinder [Eviolite]
Gastly [Choice Scarf / Choice Specs]
Magnemite [Eviolite]
Quilladin [Eviolite]
Seadra [Eviolite / Waterium Z / Icium Z]
Sliggoo [Eviolite]
Vibrava [Eviolite]

NEW!​

These Pokemon have just been released, either through a council unban or DLC. They're too "new" for the council to accurately judge the viability rank, and are thus left in this category for now. However, an estimated ranking is given, based on the opinion of the TL(s) and not the whole council. They'll be ranked in due course of time.​

Pikachu [Light Ball] (estimated ranking: somewhere between B+ to A-)

VR NOTES:

• This list is based on the opinions of the members of the council. Voting sheet can be found here.
• The list is arranged in alphabetical order.
• The most "viable" items are in bold letters.
• This list is not set in stone! Feel free to post your nominations in this thread; however, make sure to back your opinion with facts and an actual analysis of the metagame. Replays are encouraged. UR nominations are especially encouraged. Based on the quality of your nomination, we may even hold an emergency slate.
• We will not be doing D Ranks.
• The VR will be updated periodically in council 'slates'.

hey everyone, I'm here with some ND NFE news!

Rises:
from NEW to S
from A+ to S
from A+ to S
from A to A+
from A- to S
from A- to A
from A- to A
from B+ to A-
from B+ to A-
from B+ to A
from B+ to A-
from B to B+
from B- to A
from B- to B
from B- to B+
from C+ to B
from C to B-
from UR to C
from UR to C
from UR to A-


REASONING FOR MAJOR CHANGES:

[B+ to A]
After a successful NDOTSL campaign, Pawniard finds itself on the A tier list, a direct upgrade from its former B rank. A threatening sweeper and revenge killer with Swords Dance and Sucker Punch, Pawniard is also a perfect fit on popular hazard stack teams thanks to its ability Defiant, which punishes defog to a great extent. Stealth Rock and Pursuit sets are also pretty good and picking up usage.

uh pawniard missing from VR zastra.

 

[zastra]

uh pawniard missing from VR zastra.

good catch, fixed now. thanks!