Project National Dex OU: Break This Core (Week 34: Mega Latias + Kartana + Victini)

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:Charizard-Mega-Y:
Charizard @ Charizardite Y :Charizardite Y:
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Weather ball
- Solar Beam
- Scorching Sands
- Roost

Yeah-

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Magnezone in Sun: 620-732 (220.6 - 260.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Rillaboom in Sun: 764-902 (224 - 264.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y in Grassy Terrain: 72-85 (24.2 - 28.6%) -- 99.2% chance to 4HKO
 
:SM/Volcarona:
Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Def / 24 SpA / 160 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Flamethrower
- Roost
- Psychic

24 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 282-332 (100 - 117.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
24 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Rillaboom: 344-408 (100.8 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 248 HP / 156 Def Volcarona in Grassy Terrain: 68-81 (18.2 - 21.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252+ SpA Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 156-184 (41.8 - 49.3%) -- 55.1% chance to 2HKO

even switching in on tbolt from specs beats this core
252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 232-274 (62.1 - 73.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Seeing some interesting Pokemon that are super effective against both Magnezone and Rillaboom which is super cool.

This is a fairly standard set that I find works WONDERS on NatDexOU ladder (I find the most success with it lower on the ladder for some reason).

Dr. Fertilizer (Mew) @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 20 Def / 136 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Power-Up Punch
- Reflect Type
- Soft-Boiled

This set is super nice because it lets you setup for free on most choiced Pokemon. "Wow" you're probably thinking. Yes.

Unfortunately, Rillaboom 2HKOs Mew (so sad)
252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. +1 252 HP / 20+ Def Grassy Seed Mew in Grassy Terrain: 243-286 (60.1 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

However, the power of Grassy Seed gives Mew a +1 Defense boost, and you're able to outspeed Adamant Rillaboom and use reflect type to take:
252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. +1 252 HP / 20+ Def Grassy Seed Mew in Grassy Terrain: 121-143 (29.9 - 35.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Very little damage as you can see. Power-Up Punch lets you setup because this is not a situational build and you can use it on many teams for many good matchups. Also, Magnezone is not a real Pokemon and you should not use it.

100 Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Magnezone: 284-336 (101 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Thank you for listening and I hope you enjoy Mew because it is a good Pokemon and this set is very good.
 
:charizard-mega-x: :charizardite-x:

Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
- Earthquake

Possibility A: come in on magnezone
Ideally setup a dragon dance as you want since it can't quite hurt you too much, you can roost off the thunderbolt damage while corkscrew crash damage can be healed off overtime. however you can easily just click flare blitz as it kills without a boost or kill with +1 eq even with grassy terrain up. be mindful not to drop into grassy glide range or get para by tbolt tho.

Possibilty B: come in on rillaboom
Ideally setup a dragon dance as the most it could is superpower, which you could reactively roost off the damage. Then your dragon just goes crazy and destroy the duo. Try not to get crit tho

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X in Grassy Terrain: 54-64 (18.1 - 21.5%) -- possible 7HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 192-226 (64.6 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 128-151 (43 - 50.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

252+ SpA Magnezone Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 92-108 (30.9 - 36.3%) -- 63% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Magnezone Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 163-192 (54.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 554-654 (162.4 - 191.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 452-534 (160.8 - 190%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+1 252 Atk Charizard-Mega-X Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Magnezone in Grassy Terrain: 292-344 (103.9 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
We have a tie between Volcarona, and Xard! We’ll need someone to break the tie so we can decide on a winner.

Congrats to WM2N for winning the week!

In the meantime we’ll start the next week with a defensive core of Reuniclus, Skarmory, and Gastrodon.

:ss/skarmory: :ss/gastrodon: :ss/reuniclus:

Submissions close on Friday the 18th. Good luck!

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Roost
- Spikes

Reuniclus @ Psychium Z
Ability: Magic Guard
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Thunder
- Recover

Gastrodon @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Clear Smog
- Recover
 
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Charizard-Mega-Y
Level: 100
Timid Nature
Ability: Drought
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Solar Beam
- Roost


252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus in Sun: 360-424 (84.9 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Guess that i don't need to calc how much solar beam does to gastrodon and how much fire blast does to skarmory
 

Kinzo

formerly Kinzo Ketchum
Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Flamethrower
- Giga Drain

This thing wreks this core. Giga drain ovliterates gastro and flamethrower does the same thing to skarm. Bug buzz can very well ohko reuniclus after +1. It can easily switch in to anyone of the core and then set up
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 412-488 (96.7 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 606-714 (181.4 - 213.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 518-612 (122.1 - 144.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Tail Glow Waterium-Z Manaphy

:Manaphy: :Waterium-Z:

Manaphy @ Waterium Z
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tail Glow
- Surf
- Energy Ball
- Psychic

Get a free switch against skarmory, click tail glow and there goes the opponent's career. This core is super slow meaning that the only way of outspeeding manaphy is through fishing for Thunder paralysis then relying on skarmory to outspeed it. Manaphy is bulky enough to take 2 body presses from skarmory, which is just enough for us to drown the steel bird and reuniclus while OHKOing gastrodon with energy ball after a boost, not allowing the slug to have a chance to clear smog away the boosts.

200+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 98-116 (28.6 - 33.9%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Skarmory: 409-483 (122.4 - 144.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 668-788 (156.8 - 184.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 681-802 (160.6 - 189.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 SpA Reuniclus Shattered Psyche (160 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 208-246 (60.8 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

last calc is here just in case opponent pivoted out of z while manaphy still being in relatively good shape
 
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Time to vote! Choose who broke this core the best.

Charizard-Mega-Y
Level: 100
Timid Nature
Ability: Drought
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Solar Beam
- Roost


252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus in Sun: 360-424 (84.9 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Guess that i don't need to calc how much solar beam does to gastrodon and how much fire blast does to skarmory
Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Flamethrower
- Giga Drain

This thing wreks this core. Giga drain ovliterates gastro and flamethrower does the same thing to skarm. Bug buzz can very well ohko reuniclus after +1. It can easily switch in to anyone of the core and then set up
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 412-488 (96.7 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 606-714 (181.4 - 213.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 518-612 (122.1 - 144.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tail Glow Waterium-Z Manaphy

:Manaphy: :Waterium-Z:

Manaphy @ Waterium Z
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tail Glow
- Surf
- Energy Ball
- Psychic

Get a free switch against skarmory, click tail glow and there goes the opponent's career. This core is super slow meaning that the only way of outspeeding manaphy is through fishing for Thunder paralysis then relying on skarmory to outspeed it. Manaphy is bulky enough to take 2 body presses from skarmory, which is just enough for us to drown the steel bird and reuniclus while OHKOing gastrodon with energy ball after a boost, not allowing the slug to have a chance to clear smog away the boosts.

200+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 98-116 (28.6 - 33.9%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Skarmory: 409-483 (122.4 - 144.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 668-788 (156.8 - 184.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+3 252 SpA Manaphy Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 681-802 (160.6 - 189.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 SpA Reuniclus Shattered Psyche (160 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Manaphy: 208-246 (60.8 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

last calc is here just in case opponent pivoted out of z while manaphy still being in relatively good shape
 

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