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National Dex Personal VRs
Hello, and welcome to the National Dex Personal VR Thread! Whilst the National Dex Council gets up its own resources, this thread can be used for other users to share their own opinions on the metagame. Explanations for the placements are not necessary, but would be greatly welcome moving into the new generation.

You can use https://tiermaker.com/create/gen-9-national-dex-vr-443466 to make your VRs. Courtesy of Dorron. Outdated, use this: https://tiermaker.com/create/natdex-ou-personal-vr-16145786 courtesy of hidin
 
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Here's my viability rankings, based off of my experiences with the metagame.
Edit: Fixed some Pokémon's placements and things; removed Mega Sableye due to its unviability that I forgot about.

S Rank
S

:magearna:
:iron-bundle:


S-
:chien-pao:
:tornadus-therian:


A Rank
A+
:ting-lu:
:melmetal:
:iron-hands:

:blaziken-mega:
:great-tusk:
:zamazenta-crowned:

A
:gholdengo:
:iron-treads:

:grimmsnarl:
:cyclizar:
:dragapult:
:ditto:
:clodsire:
:zamazenta:
:scizor-mega:

A-
:dragonite:
:iron-valiant:
:tapu-koko:
:toxapex:
:ferrothorn:
:regieleki:
:tyranitar:
:diancie-mega:

:lopunny-mega:
:garganacl:

B Rank
B+
:landorus-therian:

:blissey:
:rotom-wash:
:kingambit:
:tyranitar-mega:
:kartana:
:chi-yu:
:medicham-mega:
:heatran:
:garchomp:
:corviknight:

B
:gastrodon:
:glimmora:

:skeledirge:
:dondozo:
:hippowdon:
:skarmory:
:gliscor:
:pelipper:
:tapu-fini:
:swampert-mega:
:volcarona:
:charizard-mega-y:
:charizard-mega-x:
:cinderace:
:meowscarada:

B-
:ninetales-alola:
:chansey:
:zapdos:

:urshifu-rapid-strike:
:tapu-lele:
:greninja:
:buzzwole:
:baxcalibur:
:victini:
:gyarados-mega:
:mawile-mega:
:garchomp-mega:
:slowbro:

C Rank
C+

:latias-mega: :latiasite:
:torkoal:
:venusaur:
:scovillain:
:arctozolt:
:alomomola:
:hoopa-unbound:
:hawlucha:
:slowking-galar:
:avalugg:

:shuckle:
:amoonguss:
:barraskewda:
:iron-moth:


C
:kommo-o:
:moltres:
:rotom-heat:
:blacephalon:
:thundurus-therian:
:quaquaval:
:hatterene:
:marowak-alola:
:maushold:

:rillaboom:

C-
:manectric-mega:
:slither-wing:
:venusaur-mega:
:volcanion:
:zarude:
:iron-jugulis:
 
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Actually factual this time, Phyn. :changry:
 
my current take on the meta
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I think Ting-Lu is really overated, i find the mon to be extremely passive ingame, and I don't think it feat the rather offensive metagame we have rn. I also think Chi-Yu is lowkey broken, although it lacks speed to be as threatening as Iron Bundle is. People have a tendancy to sleep on Kommo-O, i'm convinced the mon is good in this meta, there isn't that much fairy type played bar koko and lele, and sometimes diancie. I don't think lando is worth A-rank rn, there's so much ground types that outclass it that it becomes really cringe for it to actually shine. Snow is something that should be more explored, I didn't see much usage of it but i'm fairly convinced it can do good, especially with how Snow has been reworked. It received really good tools such as Baxcalibur or even Iron Bundle, to an extend.
Also I don't get why Maushold is on the VR, mon without king's rock sucks, so as stuff like Skeledirge or Quaquaval, although they deserve more explorations, i'll admit. TR can be somewhat good i guess, although very inconsistent.
 
bumping this for fun. post shed tail & ape/wake ban list in lieu of VR updates

S Rank

S

:gholdengo: Gholdengo
:heatran: Heatran
:kingambit: Kingambit
:lopunny-mega: Lopunny-Mega

S-
:dragapult: Dragapult
:tornadus-therian: Tornadus-Therian

A Rank

A+

:ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:volcarona: Volcarona
:Landorus-Therian: Landorus-Therian
:scizor-mega: Scizor-Mega
:tapu lele: Tapu Lele
:toxapex: Toxapex
:zapdos: Zapdos

A
:diancie-mega: Diancie-Mega
:garchomp: Garchomp
:garganacl: Garganacl
:iron valiant: Iron Valiant
:urshifu-rapid-strike: Urshifu-RS
:zamazenta: Zamazenta

A-
:charizard-mega-y: Charizard-Mega-Y
:dragonite: Dragonite
:great tusk: Great Tusk
:mawile-mega: Mawile-Mega
:pelipper: Pelipper
:rotom-wash: Rotom-Wash
:tapu koko: Tapu Koko
:weavile: Weavile


B Rank

B+
:baxcalibur: Baxcalibur
:cresselia: Cresselia
:gastrodon: Gastrodon
:gliscor: Gliscor
:gyarados-mega: Gyarados-Mega
:hawlucha: Hawlucha
:hippowdon: Hippowdon
:kartana: Kartana
:medicham-mega: Medicham-Mega
:mew: Mew
:rillaboom: Rillaboom
:skarmory: Skarmory
:tapu fini: Tapu Fini
:tangrowth: Tangrowth
:venusaur-mega: Venusaur-Mega
:victini: Victini

B
:buzzwole: Buzzwole
:cinderace: Cinderace
:clefable: Clefable
:clodsire: Clodsire
:floatzel: Floatzel
:hatterene: Hatterene
:hydreigon: Hydreigon
:iron hands: Iron Hands
:iron moth: Iron Moth
:kyurem: Kyurem
:serperior: Serperior
:skeledirge: Skeledirge
:slowking-galar: Slowking-Galar
:swampert-mega: Swampert-Mega
:ting-lu: Ting-Lu
:tyranitar-mega: Tyranitar-Mega
:zapdos-galar: Zapdos-Galar


B-
:barraskewda: Barraskewda
:chansey: Chansey
:charizard-mega-x: Charizard-Mega-X
:Corviknight: Corviknight
:excadrill: Excadrill
:garchomp-mega: Garchomp-Mega
:glimmora: Glimmora
:grimmsnarl: Grimmsnarl
:latias-mega: Latias-Mega
:latios-mega: Latios-Mega
:magnezone: Magnezone
:manaphy: Manaphy
:sceptile-mega: Sceptile-Mega
:slowbro: Slowbro

C Rank

C

:amoonguss: Amoonguss
:arctozolt: Arctozolt
:blissey: Blissey
:greninja: Greninja
:iron jugulis: Iron Jugulis
:iron treads: Iron Treads
:kingdra: Kingdra
:ribombee: Ribombee
:sandy shocks: Sandy Shocks
:shuckle: Shuckle
:slither wing: Slither Wing
:slowking: Slowking
:tapu-bulu: Tapu Bulu
:tyranitar: Tyranitar
:zoroark-hisui: Zoroark-Hisui
 
May be an unnecessary bump but I made an update VR maker for personal VRs. For reference, I took Pokemon that have been used in National Dex tours / ladder / etc to an okay degree at the least: https://tiermaker.com/create/natdex-ou-personal-vr-16145786

When DLC comes around I'll most likely update this with the new Pokemon coming, cheers
Note: The order of Pokemon is a bit messed up due to the file names, if you move Gholdengo, Ting-Lu, and Iron Valiant to the bottom 3 in order, take Venusaur-Mega, Charizard-Mega, Clefable, and Ninetales-A and then put Slowbro and Muk-A behind Chansey, it'll be dex number accurate.
Also Iron Thorns and Lycanroc-Dusk were added by mistake, ignore them as you please or rank them if you think they're worth it
 
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forgot this page existed lol (also idk why tierlistmaker wont export the tier names as well so just to let u know it goes from S to D/UR)

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resident Gen4/5 OU player does his personal Natdex OU VR rankings, ill add more later if i feel like it. Keldeo and band ttar are both criminally underrated in no Zamazenta land, try them out!
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PVR again after invitational ends. Seen some stuff and I think I have a decent grasp on the meta so here we go. I’ll explain why I put stuff where if I feel there’s anything special to note. (Which is most of the list!)
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S rank
:landorus-therian: Cornerstone of every team at the moment. Wouldn’t be surprised if there will be more innovation with this. Knock and hp ice are cool and taunt is as good as ever.

A+ rank
:lopunny-mega:
Ngl whenever I play this it is so annoying to dance around. A lot of teams either need to be very bulky to handle it or they are more offensive and need to run rhelm Lando to even have a chance against it. Good speed control and taxel is nice but the main draw is u turn. Encore pup is funny.
:Ogerpon-wellspring: best breaker in the tier by far.
:slowking-galar: semi exploitable but on the right teams where it’s not just slapped onto slop teams it’s very good. Pnoise could be looked into as well as trick.
:Gliscor: Some people think that this more offensive meta harms Gliscor twofold but no it doesn’t lol. Sd sets and u turn fog sets are still good but spikes is harder to fit. Don’t let people say balance is completely unviable to you it isn’t imo. I think it still has the tools to be ok and although it’s not the same as offense’s dominance it’s not bad. Fat is the truly bad playstyle
:Ferrothorn:
:raging bolt: amazing shifu answer on offense and good breaker but most of the teams it’s on kinda need another fire resist for Volcarona and heatran. Taunt booster is cool. Sub is funny with spikes
:Tapu Koko: second best speed control in the tier. Don’t use anything besides elec z and maybe shuca berry as the item on pivot sets. CM fairy z is good anti-bolt
:Urshifu: SD sets are hard to fit. Tera grass is funny and has barely any switchins but helm Lando and pon make it somewhat uncomfortable to click with
:gouging fire: despite what some people say boots offensive with morning sun and Tera steel is good.
:iron crown: another cornerstone of every ho and offense team. Sponges literally everything in the tier. Specs is funny and cm 3A is a very good set. On AV don’t run slow no spatk invest that set is hot garbage.
:Medicham-mega: This is the best mega in the tier no question despite my fondness for lop. Guaranteed progress even against offense teams and nothing really checks it consistently. However there are still stopgaps against it which make it manageable along with subpar speed meaning if you gain momentum you likely out offense it.
:heatran: tox is mandatory on spdef imo.
:Tapu lele: scarf is still good but av is truly threatening without an iron crown.

A rank
:Volcarona:
Bulky sets are the best and they can win games but no good teams are losing to it on preview anymore except for cheese in the right mu. Subswarm and Tera ground are good options for gking.
:Toxapex: Same thing with Gliscor. Dont let anyone fool you that this is bad because offense is best. Still blankets the majority of the tier. Boots isn’t so nice because rhelm is pretty much better for shifu / lop, however it does work on some teams with a lack of removal
:iron valiant: sub cm is sometimes funny. Sd is fishy but works. Specs is too unprepped for nowadays imo.

A- rank
:Charizard-mega-y: Good on some balance teams as a way to exploit Ferro lando cores and has a good speed tier. Yard offense is standard but very good against BO
:pelipper:
:Swampert-mega:
:Barraskewda:
:Archaludon:
:Tyranitar-mega: Some teams with it are wonky but it’s able to compress so many roles at once. It’s able to mix and match its coverage for whatever it wants to lure and it’s one of the best stopgaps against raging bolt and gouging fire.
:Diancie-mega: You need to play aggressive with this or you don’t truly reap its harvest.
:Garchomp: don’t use drag z rocks, but instead use sub or scale shot with sd drag z. Toxtect is a good spdef blanket but loaded dice is best imo.
:tornadus-therian: this mon rounds out so many Bo teams nicely and it’s a solid fogger and blanket. Specs is broken in rain
:scizor-mega: some people will give shade to this but knock sd is very very good against a variety of teams and can actually sometimes win games on its own while giving amazing defensive utility. No true safe checks imo lest they get crippled or take too much damage from stealth rock. 3a is very good glue on ho
:dragonite:
:garganacl: IDBP sets are fishy but rocks is amazing at doing its job since it pressures so much with salt cure alone

B+ rank
:ogerpon-cornerstone: A lot of teams are over preparing for Waterpon which makes this thing very good at exploiting teams with rbolt and dnite. Sturdy also comes in clutch and is one of the best setup stoppers in the tier especially for offense imo
:great tusk: Defensive BU is a good wincon but all other sets are middling.
:Alomomola: This thing isn’t actually as passive as you think if you don’t pair it with gking Gliscor. Its best on BO teams or teams with long term wincons like Ursaluna / mega Scizor
:Ursaluna: Spdef BU is able to exploit a lot atm and is a fine check to Koko and crown.
:Clefable: Good teams with this are so consistent it’s insane. It’s great on balance teams as a check to dnite, shifu, mlop, and switches into a ton of defensive mons that can’t force progress against it, allowing it to gain back tempo. It’s one of the better rocks setters imo and twave Tera dragon is nice anti-waterpon.
:samurott-hisui:
:kyurem: dtail is very funny with spikes
:weavile: I put this at B+ for the exact same reasons Sealoo did; Taxel inaccuracy, rocks weakness, and contact punishment make its life not fun
:latios-mega:
:latias-mega: May be overhyping it a bit but when it fits it fits WELL.
:Kartana: Bulky defog is how you get the most mileage out of it. Sd norm z is good on highly aggressive offense and scarf is alright
:ting-Lu: One of balance’s cornerstones that checks gouging fire, raging bolt, and is good anti offense. Ruination is annoying and pannu has this really cool team with lead rhelm which I think is a solid set.
:mawile-mega: requires very particular support and sometimes ends up being sloppy on the builds it’s on but when there’s a good team using it it puts in amazing work.
:Serperior: one of the best forms of cheese because glare is insane as a move. Grass z is funny but never run this without glare

B rank
:Slowbro: checks mmedi, mlop, and gouging fire in one slot which is good. Never run slack off.
:Corviknight: has solid traits and spdef lefties is a good lele check but like Lameflame said it’s not exceptional in any role, however I do think it is an above average fogger.
:Hawlucha: Iirc this put up numbers in invitational but unless eterrain offense ends up being revolutionized it’s safe to put it here

B- rank
:Rotom-wash:
Defensive sets are horrible but scarf is actually quite decent and is a good speed control option with nice utility. sub nplot is funny.
:Rillaboom: I still think this is a fraud
:cinderace: Some balance teams can use it. Weas and chris I think were cooking with this in recent tours and it has good traits like checking Volcarona / Ival short term
:iron treads: Very good rain mon and it’s decent on some offenses. Checking bolt is a very good trait and it compresses well. Not convinced by the weird ice z sets
:iron moth: very weak initially which makes it somewhat underwhelming.
:Meowscarada: That pdt lead meow ho he used in ndwc is so good. Very average guy but spikes are broken, and pivot sets are fine on BO
:Ogerpon: very good against offense teams if played right and those that have gking, iron crown, and lando as defensive pieces. Being able to hold boots is also nice.
:Dondozo:
:Venusaur-mega: only good at checking pon snd fishing for kokoval teams but still fine
:tangrowth: good anti ground and blankets pretty much almost every physical attacker with Tera. Always run pwhip on it though as giga drain loses to ogerpon

C Rank
:Kommo-o: Got a little worse without Darkrai but defensive sets and taunt z are still good glue.
:iron hands: fine on some BO teams ig but I don’t know what he does
:iron boulder: The Band Boulder guy sure does spam him a ton on ladder!
:clodsire:
:Skarmory: doesn’t deserve the hate it gets and although specific its good on tar pex fat teams
:Ceruledge:
:skeledirge: if it weren’t for lameflame I would’ve probably put this at UR after seeing him talk about / use it. It’s fine on bulkier teams with Gliscor as the sole fighting resist and is a good blanket to offensive fires
:glimmora: needs good anti ferro support
:Hatterene: those gseed sets on ladder are hot garbage
:enamorus: useful typing giving it entry points on lando-t which is good. Cm has potential maybe but scarf is best
:victini: one of the better c rank guys. Absolutely crushes those lando ferro / crown cores and has a good typing in this metagame for offense teams
:Hydrapple: not outclassed by tangrowth because of an offensive presence. AV dtail is probably okish
:reuniclus: meta is sort of unkind to it atm but cm pnoise can break at the very least parts of almost any team not named iron crown Lando t offense
:excadrill: not as bad as people think as it checks koko / crown with some bulk invest
:blissey:
:chansey: fine on some balances
:grimmsnarl: screens are too fishy
:cresselia: scarf is weird but ok on ho
:Manaphy: Tera makes this a little better. Lure sets are funny asf with rindo signal beam for waterpon and wacan ice beam for rbolt
:Garchomp-mega: thanks Sputnik for enlightening me on this. Read about what it does Here
:Charizard-mega-X: Outspeeding Lele and Shifu unlike gouging and having a typing that exploits Lando before mega evolving is nice for some ho teams
:Moltres: Defensive is weird but offensive is fire, literally. Offensive fog can be tested since it does well against Lando, Gliscor, heatran, and ferro
:hydreigon: Darkrai being gone gives more reason to use this. Good heatran check with some other miscellaneous utility. Fog dark z is fine
:Moltres-Galar: Being a dark type is very good in this metagame and especially one that does what GMoltres does; tear through offensive teams with agility and nplot. Tera also makes this thing a nightmare in some mus
:hippowdon: Bad mon but funny on some fat balance teams for rain.
:Jirachi: twave / rocks along with other utility options make this rankable imo
:Ribombee:
:Volcanion: good with fake water resists like tealpon, kyurem, and kartana. Fine breaker in its own right
:greninja-ash: fine in theory but where do you slot
:keldeo: sub cm is ok against balance and bo and completely shuts down gking teams with Tera, scald is broken and has a higher initial speed tier than shifu
:Tapu bulu:
:Hoopa-unbound:
:thundurus-Therian: rhelm pivot sets are funny on mdia ho
:Primarina: My glorious Queen… where do I begin? Amazing shifu and dark answer for offense teams and with the correct postioning it completely wrecks a ton of teams with Garg and Corv among other things. Checks heatran, hsam, and weavile, with bulk invest it’s actually kinda fat. Sometimes you can’t get a cm off so encore is also very good to be annoying to bulkier structures or setup mons like dnite and sd shifu
:celesteela: Being able to check lele and other stuff like mdia and mtios better than corv is a plus on sand balances. Leech seed is also very annoying for some teams to handle. Maybe metronome is funny…?
 
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S- is a fake rank. S or bust. mostly ordered in tiers. i honestly dont use much of anything below A- so pretty biased.
lazy entries: primarina in B or B-
ogerpon regular around B- or C+
havent seen anything in the bottom tier rly and the bulu team going around kinda meh
lumped rain dudes together cuz idk how to rate individuals you only see in one team :x
 
WSG peeps of ND. I'll be sharing my personal VR as a form of (a hopefully temporary) departure from this tier.

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S
:Landorus-therian: needs no explanation.

S-
:Ferrothorn: some have told me it's not s- worthy, but its pivoting and hazard setting capabilities are unmatched by any1 + its able to 1v1 or severly cripple the foggers of the tier.
:gouging fire: one of the best, if not the best wincon of the tier, also needs no explanation.
:ogerpon wellspring: stupid ass mon man, the stuff this thing can do at +2 is utterly insane.

A+
:heatran: its weird not seeing this s or s- like in most tiers ive been in, but as long as waterpon exists i dont see it rising.
:raging bolt: another fantastic wincon. i dont think its at the same lvl as the other two (soggypon and ggfire). amazing defensive profile. been having a lot of fun w proto sets since it becomes utterly unwallable after +1.
:iron crown: baby magearna tbh.
:urshifu rapid stirke: anything else other than scarf is kinda bad ngl.
:slowking galar: still an amazing pivot.
:tapu lele: another amazing scarfer, but cm sets are rlly cool as well (tho i vibe w av more tbh, goated set).
:medicham mega: by far the best mega.
:tapu koko: gotta respect it, its the defining spe mon (pls use cm fairium, its such a goated set).

A
:toxapex: all tho the gen has introduced an insane new power lvl, i find a lot of peeps underestimating it cuz they think its gonna get 2hkoed by everything.
:lopunny mega: yep, a whole tier below mega medi, srry. this mon is still rlly good and its gotta be respected, but idt its the premier offense check. i just prefer lele or shifu over it.
:volcarona: the infamous mumoth-all tho not all that much anymore. teams are naturally better prepped for its shenanigans. bulky >>> offensive tho (and hp rock is funny).
:gliscor: undisputed 2nd best ground in the tier, and 2nd best spiker. yh its been on a bit of a downfall, but its smth u rlly gotta respect.
:iron valiant: potent breaker and sweeper, w incredible flexibility. love pairing it w koko on booster sets so it doesnt fear getting chased out and losing the boost.
:diancie mega: another incredible breaker and hazard setter, and being a premier ho lead. (spikes lead + helmet lando on ho is awesome).
:scizor mega:idk if im blinded by the hype this got a few weeks ago but its still one of the greater megas of the tier, being a rlly good check to some of the top mons and powerful sweeper.

A-
:garchomp: was also questioned abt this decision. maybe its cuz peeps are blinded by lando being by far the premier ground rn, but z sets are still as powerful as ever, and tankchomp sets are still very good.
:charizard mega y: who wants to switch into this w/o having to burn off tera. its probably not getting a lot of usage due to bolt and gouging using it as potential set up fodder or threatening it w an immideate ko, but imo it's still rlly rlly good, enableing them as partners as well.
:tyranitar mega: another incredible mega. probably ranked it a tier higher now that i think abt it, but its the best trapper and one of the best rockers rn.
:samurott hisui: im w boppy on this one, not a lot of peeps believed in this things potency. i did agree w the common sentiment at the time of it being somewhat inconsistent, but after messing around w it for some time i found out its an incredible wallbreaker. it probably doesnt match gliscor and ferro in their hazard setting prowess, but its still a potent spiker, guaranteeing spikes no matter what.
:dragonite: sometimes it feels like it has severe 4mss, but its still does dnite things.
:tornadus therian: was told this thing was on a bit of a downfal, but i think quite the contrary. nasty plot is nasty (even tho boppy cant hit canes for shit) and its one of the best knock spammers in the tier due to how many things it draws in.
:garganacl: rocks are getting set _and_ staying up 4ever w this thing around. it has incredible longevity between tect and recover (almost doubling its recover pp back to 16), and idbp sets are a good wincon, being almost impossible to break after +2.
:pelipper:
:barraskewda:
:archaludon:
:swampert mega: its raining men.

B+
:clefable: some say its a shitmon that gets 2hkoed by the whole tier, others, well, say its fine how it is. its best set is helmet rocks knock, but twave is still an incredible 4th move.
:mega latios: since i always get the luster drop this thing 2hkos everything. flipturn is ass.
:ting lu: the best ground for fattier builds imo, whirlwind + ruination is dumb lol.
:kyurem: specs is not it, people. specs is not it. boots (or even nmi) and dd (mixed as well) is where its at.
:zapdos: i probably placed it lower than i should. 3a is fine, but cane + elecmove is the wave rn.
:ursaluna: bulletproof tera fairy lefties is real.
:serperior: this thing haxes its way to victory. spreading guaranteed paras is super valuable. if u dont play around it well it can get out of hand quickly.
:weavile: i probably shouldve ranked this a bit lower since it rlly doesnt wanna be locked into knock, and it gets no set up opportunities w sd.
:mawile mega: metas too fast n wild rn, wish this was higher. raw and even +2 suckers isnt netting kills anymore.

B
:latias mega: ngl i wish this was better, but long are the 16 recover pp days; welcom op dragons of the tier. util sets are still cool, spreading para and even fogging. havent seen a lot of cm since its rlly hard to get going, but it can still net some games if not respected.
:great tusk: when i 1st came back this was the bane of my existince, like it was sooo annoying. but rn, not anymore, learned to play around it-and i think thats whats been going on lately. its been on a downfall i hear. bu 3a still sounds good, but any other set is subpar imo.
(gotta stop for now, got shit to do. ill continue it in a few hrs tho.)

B-


C+


C



C-

UR
I bid y'all adieu.
 
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WSG peeps of ND. I'll be sharing my personal VR as a form of (a hopefully temporary) departure from this tier.

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I'll offer explinations on some of the placements later (in a day or two). But for now, I bid y'all adieu.
ngl i think grimm in the same tier as mega chomp is kinda weird considering how good HO is and grimm being the best screener and theres a bunch of smaller things but i feel like its hard to justify putting chomp in A- thats what i think at least its up to you just wanted to ask about those two placements
 
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