from C- to C
New Additions:
none lol
Rises:
Slowking-Galar: A -> A+
Zamazenta: A -> A+
Raging-Bolt: A- -> A
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: A- -> A
Volcarona: A- -> A
Mawile-Mega: B+ -> A-
Weavile: B+ -> A-
Dragonite: B -> B+
Rillaboom: B -> B+
Barraskewda: B- -> B
Dondozo: B- -> B
Iron-Moth: B- -> B
Latios-Mega: B- -> B
Meowscarada: B- -> B
Ogerpon-Cornerstone: B- -> B
Serperior: B- -> B
Archaludon: C- -> B
Corviknight: C+ -> B-
Excadrill: C+ -> B-
Magnezone: C- -> C
Tangrowth: C- -> C
Drops:
Garganacl: A+ -> A
Iron-Boulder: A -> A-
Zapdos: A -> A-
Alomomola: A- -> B+
Samurott-Hisui: A- -> B+
Tyranitar-Mega: A- -> B+
Clefable: B+ -> B
Greninja-Ash: B -> B-
Gyarados-Mega: B -> B-
Iron-Hands: B -> B-
Enamorus: B- -> C+
Kommo-o: B- -> C+
Moltres: B- -> C+
Tapu-Fini: B- -> C+
Victini: B- -> C+
Charizard-Mega-X: C+ -> C
Glimmora: C+ -> C-
Hydrapple: C+ -> C-
Amoonguss: C -> C-
Gastrodon: C -> C-
Lilligant-Hisui: C -> C-
Basculegion: C+ -> UR
Basculegion-F: C -> UR
Buzzwole: C -> UR
Moltres-Galar: C- -> URNew:
Banette-Mega: UR -> C-
Buzzwole: UR -> C- (Was incorrectly dropped to UR rather than C- in the last update)
Kingdra: UR -> C-
Rises:
Glimmora: C- -> C (Was incorrectly dropped to C- rather than C in the last update)
Drops:
Weavile: A- -> B+ (Was incorrectly moved up a rank to A- when no movement should have occurred in the last update)
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Miscellaneous:
Celesteela: Was unintentionally omitted from the doc. It will remain at C- and receive new votes in a future update.
Heracross-Mega: Received a nomination to move up from UR. It will not be included in the current doc as only 1 replay was provided.
We will consider it for future voting if more replays are provided to demonstrate potential viability.
-> drop to B+ / B
-> rise to S-
-> rise to S-
-> rise to B+/A-
-> rise to B-
-> rise to C
WIll have to get replays of course but I 2nd this nom 100%, How in the world is this mon not ranked? Theres definitely been some long standing bias against it due to its reputation as a noob trap where they see insane stats in the builder and throw it on any random team. When used effectively it can 100% carry match ups vs slower teams that have become increasingly common as the meta settles down. Ive found defensive tera poison sets great along with mixed assault vest and classic choiced sets on either attack stat. One defensive tera to eat a uturn and your opponent will often be forced to sac something or take insane amounts of chip. When built properly on a team with u-turn punishes such as helmet chomp it can be a serious threat. Its known for being frail on the physical side however its 80/130 special bulk is really good. Comparing it to other C- mons like gastrodon, amoongus, aegislash, kingdra and buzzwole, this offers way more value and imo is more viable in the tier and lest niche then all of these, I feel its deserving of the C- rank atleast. Like Taka said its a mon that can absolutely carry some matchups and at worst trade 1 for 1 into bad matchups. Generally all you need is to be able to click 2-3 times with this mon a game for it to be well worth its slot.
not amazing but v good mus into fat with choiced / boots mixed and can still trade 1 for 1 vs offense (similar role to iron hands w more immediate power)
-> B+
A+ --> S -> S- -> S-
-> A -> B+
A-
or a better move would be
Garchomp should be ranked in the same tier as Great Tusk. While they don't do the same thing, they're both ground types so naturally they're competing for a team slot. Garchomp is one of the best breakers in the tier, capable of ohkoing defensive landorus at +1 and great tusk with z outrage. Defensive sets are much less common due to fierce competition but still viable and speaks to its versatility. One of the biggest advantages Garchomp and Gliscor have over other ground types is the ability to set spikes. Garchomp takes this a step further by punishing spinners and offensive sets threatening deffogers. SD scaleshot doesnt see much use but it should be said its very underrated.
A- -> B+True all of the ground types are competing for a spot but there’s a place for all of them. And due to how efficient and versatile both of these mons are, I don’t think they should be ranked in the same tier as ting-lu and even mola. Garchomp definitely feels of the same level as those in A-. Iron Boulder for example is not better than Garchomp or Great Tusk, extremely limited with the teams and sets it can work with and has a case of move slot syndrome with sd. You can make arguments for Garchomp being better than every Pokemon in A-.or a better move would be
The biggest problem of both tusk and chomp is that they're competing the role of ground-type with gliscor and lando which are both amazingly good now.
-> B+
-> A-Offensive Chomp is amazing in its own right, we both agree on that but I don’t think defensive chomp is worthless even compared to landorus and gliscor. First of all having spikes and rough skin allows it to separate itself from Lando who is limited to rocks and punish spinners. Both of them fail to threaten tornadus outside of toxic. And I consider spikes to be the best hazard in the tier right now and I always try to slot it on my current teams. Landorus offers other forms of utility and has access to defog so even with spikes I agree defensive chomp is hard to justify. Not impossible though. One of your criticisms of Garchomp was its one sided-ness and I believe that same point can be applied to most of A tier. Medicham is a Great Wall breaker but its average speed and liability defensively is bad for any team. Being exceptionally threatening to common defensive teams is great but so is offensive Garchomp. Gouging Fire is much more awkward to fit on teams and out of sun is much less efficient than offensive Garchomp.Gonna agree with Nash on this one. Talking about Garchomp and Tusk viability, if anything should move Tusk should drop to B+ too. I don't agree Garchomp is good enough for A- at this point in time. While Z sets are good for wallbreaking, that's kind of the one standout thing it has working for it. It's not especially amazing outside this set, as bulky sets are quite passive and struggle to keep hazards up against Defoggers like TornT or Gliscor (there are probably more but my brain is mush atm) thanks to their longevity, and many bulky sets that run dragon tail are very vulnerable and can end up taking damage too quickly. It also suffers from having rather frustrating speed that leaves it behind a lot of relevant pokemon from Iron Valiant to Ogerpon-Wellspring, Mega Diancie and slightly less relevant but still good mons like Kartana, Mega Latias and Weavile.
I really don't agree that it;s better than every mon in A-. Not by a longshot. Both Mega Diancie and Mega Medicham are great in their respective roles, with Mega Medicham being especially potent at tearing open common structures (and some players opting for Psycho Cut to bypass contact punishing abilities and rocky helmet), while Mega Mawile is even more efficient at cracking defensive structures as well as packing sucker punch to help vs some faster threats. Honestly even Gouging Fire is a better mon and set up threat, as it's got better longevity and unique variety in sets. So I think Garchomp is fine in B+. Not horrible at all, but not really remarkable either. And since it was mentioned,
There's no denying Tusk is a strong offensive rapid spinner, but it really suffers from a middling speed stat and really poor longevity which results in it getting worn down quite quickly in games. There's the fact it also wants ice spinner so it isn't getting walked on by Gliscor and LandoT, which while not a bad move, is pretty limiting to its moveset as you also need rapid spin and ground stab, really only leaving one open slot. Dropping knock off ensures Tusk struggles to generate consistent progress vs teams with mons like Zapdos and TornadusT, while dropping fighting stab means Ferrothorn has no issues stuffing it longterm, and even Ting-Lu relatively easily can outlast a Tusk lacking CC. It also is somewhat tera dependant if it wants to try things with Bulk Up. Tusk is a solid mon, but I don't think it's currently as good as A-.
Although the latter of your points is correct, do you not realize that Fini has Defog?
they meant that fini is easily chipped and worn down by hazard setters, it also cant really beat any of the more popular spike setters (feror and glisc), and it cant run boots because it needs lefties and has no recovery
Defog doesn't stop taking hazard damage when u switch in, which isn't great (unless ur name is torn t then u just don't give a shit) also its just not quite what it used to be in gen 8.
