VGC Need assistance filling a gap

[dashopepper]

I've had pretty good success with this team against Caly-I, Caly-S, Miraidon and Koriadon; but I figured out a major hole in my team when it comes to Kyogre. I didn't think it was so popular in the current Reg J format but they obliterate me. I was considering a few options for leads like Rillaboom and Ogerpon-WS but Rillaboom can't outspeed max speed Kyogre and Ogerpon struggles to 1-shot. The spot on my team I'm considering replacing is Indeedee-F since I've been getting better support milage out of Clefairy and they are a bit redundant to keep both. Is the strategy to go with Rillaboom or Ogerpon and just stall 1 turn for a 2HKO? I can switch Magearna to a more SpD focus with water tera to survive turn 1 potentially as well. Let me know what you think, I'm really new to the VGC and Showdown scene and appreciate any assistance I can get.

Magearna @ Mental Herb
Ability: Soul-Heart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Dazzling Gleam
- Protect
- Flash Cannon

Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Atk / 60 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Glacial Lance
- High Horsepower
- Protect
- Trick Room

Indeedee-F @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Follow Me
- Helping Hand
- Trick Room

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 244 HP / 180 Def / 84 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Follow Me
- Protect
- Helping Hand
- Life Dew

Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Kowtow Cleave
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Protect

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Blood Moon
- Hyper Voice
- Earth Power
- Vacuum Wave

 

[dashopepper]

Oh and Lunala isn't terrible to deal with but without taunt I don't have a great way of dealing with wide-guard spam. Or maybe I'm missing an easy move change to deal with it.

 

[dashopepper]

So far the best counter I've crafted that fits the support role is wellspring. it outspeeds timid/max speed Kyogre with mystic water by 1 and 1-shots with wood hammer (1 shotting with horn leech doesn't seem possible without tera.)

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 Spe
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Wood Hammer
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield

 

[Omastar68]

Hm. Well we kinda need descriptions for one. But I'm leaning dark tera indeedee, for prankster taunt. You really need to set tr if you're fully slow mons, and reg taunt without prankster should still be rare ish.

Also, ursaluna bm always can do better evs than max hp, this is due to a VERY high base hp relative to SpD. Av esp likes most of the 252 hp in SpD.

 

[dashopepper]

Hm. Well we kinda need descriptions for one. But I'm leaning dark tera indeedee, for prankster taunt. You really need to set tr if you're fully slow mons, and reg taunt without prankster should still be rare ish.

Also, ursaluna bm always can do better evs than max hp, this is due to a VERY high base hp relative to SpD. Av esp likes most of the 252 hp in SpD.

You're speaking to the Lunala counter? My bigger problem atm is Kyogre, which I wasn't expecting to see so much in the ladder.

If my Usraluna-BM evs are aren't great I'll definitely fix those.

 

[Omastar68]

You're speaking to the Lunala counter? My bigger problem atm is Kyogre, which I wasn't expecting to see so much in the ladder.

If my Usraluna-BM evs are aren't great I'll definitely fix those.

Oh sorry neither-im speaking to setting tr better. Well now I'm seeing you have mental herb mag. That might be ok, IDK. Dark should be fine though, indeedee isn't going for gleam too


Great! I'll think on those two, Kyogre esp. idk if I'm much help really but oh well.

Edit: for ogre I'd look to put an SE move for it on either legend. Steel fairy is your STAB, but isn't great. High horsepower is nice, but ursa might provide enough ground, idk. Even losing one protect could be ok.

 

[dashopepper]

I've been mostly successful in setting up TR with either Magearna or Caly-I with either Indeedee-F or Clefairy as my lead with them, but I'll take any advice since I'm new. I'm testing subbing out Indeedee-F with Ogerpon-WS right now as a counter to Kyogre and I'll see how it goes.

 

[Omastar68]

I've been mostly successful in setting up TR with either Magearna or Caly-I with either Indeedee-F or Clefairy as my lead with them, but I'll take any advice since I'm new. I'm testing subbing out Indeedee-F with Ogerpon-WS right now as a counter to Kyogre and I'll see how it goes.

That sounds valid. There is no psyspam, and two other trs. I think indeedee can go, upon reflection, regardless of if you like oger w.

Edit: why was it helmet though? That's kinda odd on a frail non healer, I think

 

[dashopepper]

That sounds valid. There is no psyspam, and two other trs. I think indeedee can go, upon reflection, regardless of if you like oger w.

Edit: why was it helmet though? That's kinda odd on a frail non healer, I think

I didn't think I was getting great use out of Psychic Seed, and I haven't seen many amoongus lately for safety goggles, but that may have been a bad choice.

 

[Omastar68]

So far the best counter I've crafted that fits the support role is wellspring. it outspeeds timid/max speed Kyogre with mystic water by 1 and 1-shots with wood hammer (1 shotting with horn leech doesn't seem possible without tera.)

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 Spe
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Wood Hammer
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield

Woah I just looked at this set. What it do? Looks cool, max hp, no atk, and def not SpD(cause mask boost is SpD.) I'm not sure it's good though, since wood hammer not leech bulky, unless it's standard ish.

 

[dashopepper]

Woah I just looked at this set. What it do? Looks cool, max hp, no atk, and def not SpD(cause mask boost is SpD.) I'm not sure it's good though, since wood hammer not leech bulky, unless it's standard ish.

It has one job, 1-shot max speed timid Kyogre, which it's done 3 times now fairly well. The reason I dumped SpD is because if I kill the kyogre it's more likely I'm about to take a hit from an Atk mon rather than a SpA mon (this is a guess, I don't actually know if that is true). After that it's a supporter with follow me and Spiky Shield, but I'm tempted to swap out Spiky Shield or Ivy Cudgel for Taunt. So far it's worked pretty well. It also outspeeds that Kyogre by just 1, to move as many EVs to other stats as possible.

 

[Omastar68]

Ah ok. Do you think ursa av is best? I ask for a couple reasons. 1 it won't solve the SpD by as much as, say, av on king for that money. 2, protect serves extra function on yes(id imagine,) cause of the limitation of bm attack. I'm sure it's fine, but if consider a king and ___ on ursa, just to test.

Edit: would normal be more encouraged on tr? Since you should take less hits potentially, cause actually going first. I'm spitballing, haven't played doubles in forever, so complex. It's just few people make singles rmts for cart, and of those virtually zero are gonna need help from the likes of me xp. I used to be better, partly cause used to actually play. Haven't since May but I digress.

 

[dashopepper]

Just had a 10 game losing streak after trying several changes. I can't make headway on the showdown ladder. I suck ass. I feel like everyone at the 1100-1200 ladder are pros playing on alts. I keep writing down notes and trying to make it work but then get blasted over and over and over. I'm gonna take a break for awhile.