SPOILERS! [Crown Tundra!] List of Movepool Changes

My prediction from the start is that Mega evolution will return foe the Sinnoh Remakes, giving us a meta with mega evolution and a meta with dynamax. They experimented a LOT last gen using lets go as their lab rat for future ideas, and i think having 2 completely different metaganes was a big one.
Knowing game freak we'll have a meta with dynamax, mega and for some reason z moves.
And primal for anythibg goes!
 
What I find peculiar is that some Mega Evolutions' movesets include Swift, when their base form can't learn it.
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Some Megas are the opposite instead, they can't learn Swift while their base forms can.
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There's not really any rhyme or reason to this, and seems rather arbitrary. For some Megas without Swift, it is simply because their move lists don't include any of the new TMs/TRs from SwSh, and only include moves they could learn last gen. But not all of them, Mega Gardevoir for example have new moves such Mystical Fire yet lack Swift in their moveset. No good explanation for why certain Megas can exclusively learn Swift however.

I can't really wrap my head around why these discrepancies are there in the first place, and why Megas didn't just get copypasted move lists of their base forms. But I guess this does show how the Home TM/TR lists are a work in progress.
 
If I had to guess there was just a lot of mistakes when entering information since internally they're all like blastiose1 and blastoise2

Which leads to the horrifying realization that all 9 pikachu were entered by indicidually and not copy pasting.
 

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Here are some things and calcs, that I find rlly interesting!

Alakazam getting Nasty Plot is uuuuuuge. Especially when Tapu Lele is back, but even paired with Indeedee. Psychic Surge/Terrain in general will be broken again, tho. Now we have two potential terrain-setters. Literally no switch-ins.
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey in Psychic Terrain: 602-710 (85.6 - 100.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn in Psychic Terrain: 177-209 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
(Focus Blast is a safe ohko)
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash in Psychic Terrain: 169-199 (52.1 - 61.4%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Grimmsnarl: 403-476 (102.2 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
("just try to hide behind light screen, lol")
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Corviknight: 400-472 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Lati@s twins are getting Mystical fire and Aura sphere! Especially Latios can easily sweep after one Calm mind now! Ironically, only one of its big pluses, the ability Levitate, is holding it back - it wont be able to abuse the Psychic Terrain boost, since it is not grounded.
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 458-541 (113.3 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Corviknight: 364-429 (91 - 107.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Ferrothorn: 421-499 (119.6 - 141.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 283-335 (93 - 110.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery (no terrain needed)
Cresselia is getting Stored power and Cosmic Power! ... enough said. Might get banned, imo.

Regigigas gets Body Press and Rest! Protect basically lowers its timer from 5 to 3 turns, but it still gives the opponent the oportunity to boost (and 3 turns are more than enough time to start a sweep). Trust me, this thing will be in Ou as a defensive monster, abusing Rest-talk Body Press. At least I will run it.

And last but not least...
Ladies and Gentleman, the Pokemon with the third highest attack stat of all generations (only behind two mega evolutions) is getting an incredible strong stab move!
Kartana gets Solar Blade now! A mon with a 181 base atk stat firing off 125 bp stab moves... oh lord, sounds very scary. Yeah, it is only useable in sun, but sun teams are already pretty common nowadays. And remember, Kartana got Swords dance in its moveset!
+2 252 Atk Kartana Solar Blade vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 694-817 (98.7 - 116.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Kartana Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash: 195-231 (60.1 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Kartana Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mandibuzz: 250-294 (58.9 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Kartana Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 112+ Def Landorus-Therian: 346-408 (90.5 - 106.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Kartana Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 280-330 (92.1 - 108.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Kartana Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 141-166 (46.3 - 54.6%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
Zapdos gets Hurricane and Weather Ball! Paired with Thunder in rain? Hell yeah! I can see it using Specs, with Volt Switch or U-turn in its last slot. But Agility/Tailwind and maybe even Metal Sound "sound" very funny, too.
Heracross is getting Spikes! Wont stand a chance in a tier where Corviknight and Mandibuzz are around, but in Uu and below it might be a rlly potent offensive hazard setter.
Regirock and Registeel are getting Body press, which is a big buff, tho. Rock might be a decent lead this time, being able to ohko Excadrill, while surviving two EQs in a row from a Sash-Excadrill. Body Press in general will be surprisingly good on many mons.
 
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Alakazam getting Nasty Plot is uuuuuuge. Especially when Tapu Lele is back, but even paired with Indeedee. Psychic Surge/Terrain in general will be broken again, tho. Now we have two potential terrain-setters. Literally no switch-ins.
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey in Psychic Terrain: 602-710 (85.6 - 100.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn in Psychic Terrain: 177-209 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
(Focus Blast is a safe ohko)
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash in Psychic Terrain: 169-199 (52.1 - 61.4%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Grimmsnarl: 403-476 (102.2 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
("just try to hide behind light screen, lol")
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Corviknight: 400-472 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Nasty Plot Zam seems cool, although it's going to have a tough time setting up with its horrible bulk, especially non-Sash variants. It'll most likely be similar to SD Weavile where it can only realistically set up against a Pokemon being forced out, but even Weavile does a better job at this thanks to having access to Ice Shard priority to deal with faster threats like Dragapult/Zeraora/other Scarfers, something Zam doesn't have access to.

I also don't think Cosmic Power Cresselia will be too tough to deal with. It's prone to Toxic (which is considerably more widespread now), Dark-types will wall it to hell and back, and it can be crippled by a Tricked choice item to completely ruin the set.
 
Stored Power Cresselia sounds like it could be decent, though probably not with Cosmic Power. With two Calm Mind boosts, you get this:
+2 0 SpA Cresselia Stored Power (100 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 195-229 (60.7 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

In order to surpass that with Cosmic Power, you need five boosts.
0 SpA Cresselia Stored Power (220 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 213-252 (66.3 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Calm Mind also increases the power of Moonblast, which you'll probably want to carry so you aren't hard-walled by every Dark-type in existence.

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
 
Nasty Plot Zam seems cool, although it's going to have a tough time setting up with its horrible bulk, especially non-Sash variants. It'll most likely be similar to SD Weavile where it can only realistically set up against a Pokemon being forced out, but even Weavile does a better job at this thanks to having access to Ice Shard priority to deal with faster threats like Dragapult/Zeraora/other Scarfers, something Zam doesn't have access to.

I also don't think Cosmic Power Cresselia will be too tough to deal with. It's prone to Toxic (which is considerably more widespread now), Dark-types will wall it to hell and back, and it can be crippled by a Tricked choice item to completely ruin the set.
Alakazam doesn't NEED Nasty Plot to do huge damage, even when carrying it in its moveset it can still play an hit and run part in matchups where setting up is tough due to its great power, speed tier and coverage with just three attacks.
I guess you sacrifice utility moves such as Counter or Thunder Wave for the offense matchups, but compared to an all-out attacker set you don't lose out of much when you can't setup, and gain massively when you can.
 
So do all the Pokemon that learn Endure will be added to the game even the ones only get Endure as a new move?!
The thing is, you as much as others is reading too much into it.

Yes, there is the chance all the pokemon get added to the game.

Yes there is the chance that only the pokemon that got something new get added to the game.

And in same fashion, there is the chance only some do.

You should take the datamine with a grain of salt, as it means nothing. GameFreaks might have just want to update compatibility for future titles while it was at it, and that's only the TM/TR learnsets without knowing anything about level up and new tutors promised in the DLCs.

Hence... again... don't read much into it. They're there, that's about it.
 
Excited to see the new moves some of my favorites are getting. Sceptile with Dragon Dance and Breaking Swipe, Zoroark with a more easily accessible Sludge Bomb, the Lycanrocs with Close Combat and Psychic Fangs, etc.

With Sceptile in particular, I wonder how viable he’ll be. Base Sceptile may not benefit a ton, but if Megas ever returned, Mega Sceptile could be quite threatening.
 
Serperior: *gets nothing but loses HP Fire*
Me:
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There might be hope for it yet. As has been outlined, pretty much anything on this list which doesn't have anything new beyond a couple random things like Swift is most likely unfinished as it isn't planned to be added yet. I'm sure somewhere down the line we'll see this data updated when Serperior and friends are ready to be added back into the game
 
There might be hope for it yet. As has been outlined, pretty much anything on this list which doesn't have anything new beyond a couple random things like Swift is most likely unfinished as it isn't planned to be added yet. I'm sure somewhere down the line we'll see this data updated when Serperior and friends are ready to be added back into the game
That, plus, those lists do not include any native moveset change nor egg moves, and also doesn't include any potential tutor coming with the expansions.
 
That, plus, those lists do not include any native moveset change nor egg moves, and also doesn't include any potential tutor coming with the expansions.
Let’s hope Thundurus gets Air Slash or Hurricane or any Special Flying STAB. Also hope Serperior gets Mystical Fire.
 

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Please name a viable Thundurus set that has used Acrobatics or was fully physical.
i didnt say it ran physical sets, i said it has the ability to do so. it has a sufficient physical movepool alongside a passable attack stat. why are you getting so angered over this?
 
i didnt say it ran physical sets, i said it has the ability to do so. it has a sufficient physical movepool alongside a passable attack stat. why are you getting so angered over this?
I just wanted to ask considering Acrobatics isn't ever mentioned on Thundurus analysises. I'm not angered by the way.
 
it has acrobatics already
REAL Flying STAB.
last time i checked acrobatics is a real move and thundurus has the ability to run physical sets
i didnt say it ran physical sets, i said it has the ability to do so. it has a sufficient physical movepool alongside a passable attack stat. why are you getting so angered over this?
I just wanted to ask considering Acrobatics isn't ever mentioned on Thundurus analysises. I'm not angered by the way.
it's probably because Thundurus has literally never been able to learn Acrobatics lol
 

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