New DPP Tier Lists

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The second quarter of 2009 sees, as usual, the updating of the tier lists. However, this quarter sees a major difference: the first official DP UU List!

First of all, the OU List. It is almost exactly the same as its predecessor, except for two Pokemon:
  • Smeargle is now OU
  • Yanmega is now UU
This means that, from now on, Smeargle is banned from UU but Yanmega is allowed in UU (unless it becomes a Suspect, which is something that isn't at my discretion).

The OU list is thus:

Code:
Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Empoleon
Flygon
Forretress
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Kingdra
Latias
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninjask
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Rotom-A
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Smeargle
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tentacruel
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Zapdos
(50 Pokemon)
Now, behold the very first official Smogon UU list:

Code:
Absol
Altaria
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blastoise
Blaziken
Chansey
Charizard
Claydol
Clefable
Drapion
Electrode
Espeon
Feraligatr
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Kabutops
Lanturn
Ludicolo
Magmortar
Mesprit
Milotic
Miltank
Mismagius
Moltres
Muk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Ninetales
Omastar
Poliwrath
Porygon2
Primeape
Regirock
Registeel
Roserade
Rotom
Sceptile
Scyther
Shaymin
Slowbro
Spiritomb
Steelix
Swellow
Torterra
Toxicroak
Typhlosion
Umbreon
Uxie
Venusaur
Yanmega
Weezing
(57 Pokemon)
Yeah, there are some surprises here, and there are also a lot of Pokemon that surprisingly AREN'T here. I'll leave the fun of discovering them up to you!
 

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thanks for the hard work X-Act, needless to say yanmega will be on my next UU team.
 

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Thanks again X-Act! Huh, maybe Porygon 2 will be heading up to OU (eeked out 1 rank above Yanmega this last month), even though it kind of sucks in UU compared to how it does in OU.
 
Well, can't say this is incredibly surprising, Smeargle is one of the most versatile Pokemon in the game and Yanmega has been on the decline since Platinum. Will have to check out the UU list at some point.
 
cool! yanmega is a pretty good pokeyman. it'll be fun tearing shit up in uu

also, question. if a poke isnt on either list, what does that mean? for example: hitmonchan, regice
 

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Also, my new NU Team:

Jumpluff (setting up sun), Scarf-Eruption Entei, Mix-sweep Manectric (with overheat, lol), Exeggcutor, Camerupt and Scarf-Rampardos.

I might also have to try a rain team with bulk-floatzel, Spikes/explosion quilfish and Gorebyss.

edit: Fucking A!! Gligar can be used in NU!! Mr. Mime too!! Time for Double-Screen Kadabra --> Gligar-Kingler rape in NU!!
 
Code:
Aggron
Ampharos
Arbok
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Banette
Bastiodon
Beautifly
Beedrill
Bellossom
Bibarel
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Castform
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Cloyster
Corsola
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Drifblim
Dunsparce
Dustox
Entei
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Furret
Gastrodon
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golduck
Golem
Gorebyss
Granbull
Grumpig
Hitmonchan
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Kingler
Kricketune
Lapras
Leafeon
Ledian
Lickilicky
Linoone
Lopunny
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Magcargo
Manectric
Mantine
Marowak
Masquerain
Mawile
Medicham
Meganium
Mightyena
Minun
Mothim
Mr.Mime
Noctowl
Octillery
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pelipper
Persian
Phione
Pidgeot
Pinsir
Plusle
Politoed
Probopass
Purugly
Quagsire
Qwilfish
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Relicanth
Sableye
Sandslash
Seaking
Seviper
Sharpedo
Shedinja
Shiftry
Shuckle
Skuntank
Slaking
Slowking
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tangrowth
Tauros
Torkoal
Tropius
Unown
Ursaring
Venomoth
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vileplume
Volbeat
Wailord
Walrein
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Womadam (all forms)
Xatu
Zangoose
These are all the fully evolved Pokémon which didnt make to the UU list. I'll add some comments later
 
cool! yanmega is a pretty good pokeyman. it'll be fun tearing shit up in uu

also, question. if a poke isnt on either list, what does that mean? for example: hitmonchan, regice
If a Pokemon isn't on either list, it's NU. So yes, Regice is NU. To be fair though, Chansey is the better special wall in UU, and Blissey is the better special wall in OU. Happiny, is most certainly not a good special wall though, so Regice needn't worry in NU. :)

So yes, you can start playing NU now, although there isn't a ladder, so I don't see much point. It certainly looks like an interesting tier though.

Oh, and Rhydon was THAT close to being UU!
 
So... if a pokémon did not make it on either list (besides the Ubers), are they NU or BL? Or, a better question, is it possible the missing ones are BL?

I am curious as to the position of Gastrodon.
 
About the (supposedly) NU list, there areally are a lot of good guys to play with. Articuno, Dodrio, Drifblim, Entei, Floatzel, Lapras, Leafeon, Lickilicky, Marowak, Medicham, Pinsir, Regice, Tangrowth, Tauros and Walrein will all be very fun to use (so far these are what hit me the most)
 

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Gastrodon is NU. There currently are no BL pokemon, though we have 6 up for BL nomination.

edit: Looking at the list (thanks Zarator), there are a LOT of pokemon who were "formerly BL" who are now in NU (Ramparados, Entei, Pinser, etc. etc.), while most of the good "formerly UU" pokes are still UU (Clefable, Steelix, [Scyther!? really??]).

That just serves to make me think even more that "old UU" was really screwed up. xD
 
Ah, I see, I see... So, we are currently working on the first official BL list or, dare I say, tier? It is unusual to see pokémon such as Medicham, Pinsir, and Tauros NU.
 
Gastrodon is NU. There currently are no BL pokemon, though we have 6 up for BL nomination.

edit: Looking at the list (thanks Zarator), there are a LOT of pokemon who were "formerly BL" who are now in NU (Ramparados, Entei, Pinser, etc. etc.), while most of the good "formerly UU" pokes are still UU (Clefable, Steelix, [Scyther!? really??]).

That just serves to make me think even more that "old UU" was really screwed up. xD
Pretty much what my thoughts were. Apparently, we didn't understand at the beginning how deep was the difference between Adv and DP in the UU balance.
However, I think this will improve NU too. Adv NU was - forgive me if i offend in any way your feelings^^ - a "game of losers" (the losers being the Pokémon, not the players ofc). Really, they coolness value may be a lot, but I hate when I have to resort to Chimecho for walling and to Castform for sweeping.
 

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Rhydon shouldn't be promoted to UU. Its usage was a few points outside the UU cutoff though.

Surprised by Medicham, honestly. Judging by the February and January stats alone, it would have been solidly UU. However, its use declined so much in March that it didn't even make it to UU.

Also Porygon2 was exactly the last Pokemon that made the cut-off point in UU... and was also the exact first Pokemon that didn't make the cut-off point in OU!
 
yeah p2 is a pretty common sight these days, being a pretty reliable counter to the oversaturated gyarados in ou, and can work as a mence counter in a pinch as well.

and i am surprised by inclusion of electivire, barely see his ugly mug ever
same with donphan
 

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Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
Yanmega UU?
It just makes no sense
 
Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
Yanmega UU?
It just makes no sense
It makes perfect sense to me! Those Pokemon didn't get enough usage to be OU, so they were put in UU. Then, they didn't get enough usage to be in the 'OU of UU', so they were NU.

And if, say, Tangrowth, or Regice, or Rhydon, or whataver, doesn't get enough usage to be in the 'OU of NU', then they'll be in the usage tier below it.

It may seem weird that something like Regice is in a tier that we previously associated with Pokemon like Delibird, but we've got to get over those associations. The tiers used to be a lot of educated guesswork, which was very flawed, they are now, however, calculated through the use of statistical manipulation of data, which is somewhat less flawed.

If people are seriously that troubled, we can just call the new tier 'UU2', or 'RU' or something, but it makes no difference whatsoever to the competitive battling.

And, there's no need for people to worry about Pokemon like Medicham being in the tier. Remember, they can still be banned if needs be, and you can always popularize the Pokemon in UU if you're that desperate for it to go.
 
God damn it Donphan!
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God damn it Donphan! ;_;

Thanks a bundle X-Act. Gonna go bang my head on a wall a few times.

Also, pretty cool to see Smeargle make OU (again?). It's really not a bad pokemon.
 
I for one would like to see the run-off tier from whatever didn't get the UU cut to get a better name than NU, what with historical associations...RU would probably be the best.

140 pokemon...and a lot of cool ones, too, like my favorite, Medicham.
 
Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
Yanmega UU?
It just makes no sense
I agree. I mean, I can see the logic behind the process, but I don't think a pokémon like Yanmega should be made UU without a previous test. Nobody uses normal Deoxys in Ubers, should it go to OU?

What if everybody stopped using Scizor? Would it be UU until voted otherwise?

If something like Froslass is currently a Suspect, I don't understand how Yanmega is being allowed.
 
I agree. I mean, I can see the logic behind the process, but I don't think a pokémon like Yanmega should be made UU without a previous test. Nobody uses normal Deoxys in Ubers, should it go to OU?

What if everybody stopped using Scizor? Would it be UU until voted otherwise?

If something like Froslass is currently a Suspect, I don't understand how Yanmega is being allowed.
You are not understanding how things work. First of all, Ubers is not a tier, it is a ban list. Secondly, OU is not doing suspect tests the way UU is doing them, so again, that points is moot. Thirdly, because of the current way we are testing UU, yes if everyone stopped using Scizor, it would be UU until proven it breaks the teir.
 
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