Project Next Best Thing: USUM UU (Week 45: Jellicent - Submissions)

[Taptricity]

gonna go with Moute and Dub. If I wasn't using a Z-Move on Durant then the Choice Band set is definitely the closest thing to it.

 

[Smallsmallrose]

Dub and TONE

 

[Sickist]

Scizorphobic and Moutemoute

 

[PapaBisexual]

dubgoat and moutwo

 

[ishtar]

Scizorphobic and Dubby.

 

[Sweep the Janitor]

Moute and Rose

 

[snorlax142857]

rose and scizorphobic

 

[2MuchHax]

dub and rose

 

[TMM]

phobic and smallrose

 

[Wevton]

MouteMoute and Scizorphobic

 

[A Cake Wearing A Hat]

Moutemoute - 8
Scizorphobic - 7
Smallsmallrose / DubFreakNakeeb - 6

Congrats on winning the week, Moutemoute!

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Our next week's gonna be on Moltres. This mon's been a rising star in UU for a while now, using its typing and great offenses to tear up the metagame. What unexplored options does it have? Let's find out.

Blacklisted sets:

Standard Offensive

Moltres @ Flyinium Z / Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- U-turn / Defog / Agility

Fat

Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 36 Def / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Roost
- Defog / Substitute
- Flamethrower
- Toxic / Will-O-Wisp / Roar

Specs

Moltres @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Flamethrower / Air Slash
- Air Slash / U-turn / Sleep Talk / Other filler

Submissions due by Friday.

 

[Smallsmallrose]

lure

Moltres @ Steelium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive/Hasty Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Steel Wing

Steelium Z Steel Wing is more than capable of KOing two of Molt's greatest answers, Aero-Mega and Nihilego. You need Naive or Hasty to guarantee the KO though, so make sure you pick the nature that still lets you check what you want to check defensively (I go with Naive because I want to still check Scizor)
Here's the calcs:
4 Atk Moltres Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 366-432 (101.9 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
4 Atk Moltres Corkscrew Crash (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Aerodactyl-Mega: 230-272 (76.4 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
You need rocks up to KO Aero, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I hope you like the set!

 

[PapaBisexual]

natgift ground wide lens molt
im all for the idea that when moltres hits its moves its almost impossible to stop (/aero, nihi, blissey) so like lets give it a lens

Moltres @ Wide Lens
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost
- U-turn

fuck yeah 93.5% and 77% acc 110bp stabs
doesn seem like too much but its like almost air slash acc?
and 77 is an iron tail or sleep powder or smth
still bad but u dont wanna be missin in those clutch 1v1s

ez4kacawfirebirb

 

[Moutemoute]

Moltres @ Firium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Roost / Hidden Power [Steel]
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam

Z-Sunny Day gives +1 Speed to Moltres and allows it to abuse of its Fire STAB. Solar Beam is a really cool option to hit Water types, Rock types or Ground types. You can also opt to use Firium Z with Fire Blast which gives to Moltres a powerful special nuke.

 

[Twilight]

Moltres @ Rockium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Ancient Power
- Agility / Roost

Ancient Power allows Moltres to break through Rotom-H, Mega-Aero + opposing Moltres very easily. Used in conjunction with Rockium-Z it can nuke said Mons and remove them after SR dmg. Roost is also an option over Agility if you prefer longevity, however Agility is really nice to become a great sweeper + it lets you outspeed Maero meaning you have more breathing room to not predict the switch-in against it. And lets not forget the 10% chance to get them juicy boosts from Ancient Power.

Calcs

252 SpA Moltres Continental Crush (120 BP) vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-Heat: 240-284 (80 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Moltres Continental Crush (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Aerodactyl-Mega: 266-314 (88.3 - 104.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[avarice]

Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Substitute
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hurricane

Sub with Hurricane + Willo > Flamethrower + Toxic has been pretty nice for me, it really is a pain for more offensive builds rather than stall. Substitute gives Moltres more breathing room to deal with hurricane misses and can safely get a burn v aero without having to predict. Max Spa can be ran over HP, but it usually isnt worth the stronger Hurricane since it means stuff like Doublade's shadow sneak can break your sub. The set goes great with OTR Stakataka too and form a cool anti-offense core.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7uu-842902634 pearl toxicroak
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7uu-843547547 old misa HO
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7uu-842557474 adaam HO

 

[Sweep the Janitor]

Fat Pivot-
Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Burn Up
- Defog
- Roost
- U-turn


Burn-Up is really interesting as it's perfect accuracy and stronger than fire blast but takes away fire typing, which can be clutch when being hit with a rock move. U-Turn is really nice after a strong burn up in order to refresh the stab. Defog helps to get rid of hazards since moltres can come in on any not named stealth rocks with no problem.
Also i just dislike non perfect accuracy moves (rock slide i see you)

Calcs vs only flying type moltres

252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 32 Def Moltres: 342-404 (89 - 105.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Moltres: 294-348 (76.5 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Sickist]

Moltres @ Grassium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Solar Beam
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost

This Heatran ripoff Moltres set breaks all the fat waters that everyone hates (except empoleon and tentacruel): Primarina, Alomomola, Gastrodon, Swampert, and Suicune. This also kills MAero after rocks. Calcs:

Calcs

252 SpA Moltres Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Aerodactyl-Mega: 210-248 (69.7 - 82.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Moltres Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 876-1032 (216.8 - 255.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Moltres Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 40 HP / 216 SpD Alomomola: 528-622 (109.7 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Moltres Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 358-422 (88.6 - 104.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Moltres Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 354-418 (97.2 - 114.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Moltres Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 482-568 (122.3 - 144.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[Notily]

Moltres @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Will-O-Wisp

standard offensive molt w/ wisp to cripple switchins like mega aero, nihiligo and terrakion. worth noting that wisp helps it keep its defensive utility vs mega aero as it doesnt have to worry about pursuit damage as much.

 

[nameless90]

Offensive pivot Moltres

Moltres @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Burn Up
- Tailwind
- U-turn

Tailwind is a great way to help your team alongside a fast U-turn in order to keep the momentum on our side. Not only that, but the effect of this move lasts even after the death of Moltres, so it is much more valuable when we have still team support on our side.
Otherwise, you can choose to use a Z-boosted Hurricane or the fire STAB. In my opinion, if you use U-turn, then Burn Up is better than Fire Blast because you regain the STAB after you switch-out.
Unfortunately, there is no room for Roost.

Hazards control in the form of Defog/Rapid Spin is mandatory to get ris of SR.

 

[A Cake Wearing A Hat]

Hey, folks, time to see which of these sets is the most popular!

Smallsmallrose's Z-Steel Wing Moltres

Moltres @ Steelium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive / Hasty Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Steel Wing

PapaBisexual's Wide Lens Moltres

Moltres @ Wide Lens
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost
- U-turn

Moutemoute's Z-Sunny Day Moltres

Moltres @ Firium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Roost / Hidden Power [Steel]
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam

Twilight's Z-Ancient Power Moltres

Moltres @ Rockium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Ancient Power
- Agility / Roost

Scizorphobic's SubWisp Hurricane Moltres

Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Roost
- Substitute
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hurricane

Sweep the Janitor's Defensive Life Orb Burn Up Defog U-turn Moltres

Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Burn Up
- Defog
- Roost
- U-turn

Sickist's Z-Solar Beam Moltres

Moltres @ Grassium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Solar Beam
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost

Notily's Standard Offensive Moltres But With Will-O-Wisp

Moltres @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Will-O-Wisp

nameless90's Burn Up + Tailwind Moltres

Moltres @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Burn Up
- Tailwind
- U-turn

Vote for up to two sets, and thanks for participating, everyone :]

 

[Smallsmallrose]

Z-Sunny Day and Z-Ancientpower

 

[Twilight]

Rose's Z-steel Wing and Phobic's SubWisp

 

[TMM]

z sunny day sounds really cool
z steel wing too

 

[Taptricity]

Z-Ancient Power and SubWisp