NFL Thread - 2019-2020 season

Looks like Pats fans are divided between being team Brady or team Belichick

Think it goes without saying that I'm 152% team Brady.

If he left i'd jump ship to whatever team signed him.

And if he retires I jump ship on them for not wanting him and doing him so bad this yr
 
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Looks like Pats fans are divided between being team Brady or team Belichick

Think it goes without saying that I'm 152% team Brady.

If he left i'd jump ship to whatever team signed him.

And if he retires I jump ship on them for not wanting him and doing him so bad this yr
except all the success is tied to bill... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 

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Looks like Pats fans are divided between being team Brady or team Belichick
Huh? This isn’t October 2017 during the height of Bill-Brady power struggle, with Jimmy G and Alex Guerrero and all that jazz. Bill’s staying almost certainly; it’s all up to Brady on what he wants to do next. Haven’t heard many people saying they’re picking one or the other.
 

TheValkyries

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Brady will be 6 feet in the ground and pretzels will be talking about how he just needs more help at receiver.
 
#6 Tennessee Titans @ #1 Baltimore Ravens
#6 Minnesota Vikings @ #1 San Francisco 49ers

#4 Houston Texans @ #2 Kansas City Chiefs
#5 Seattle Seahawks @ #2 Green Bay Packers

No sense being cute, although at least one upset should happen.

Fun fact, Seattle hasn't won in Lambeau Field in two decades. Auto-loss. I'm pissed that the Saints lost and sent us there for round 2.
 

TheValkyries

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Brian Flores showed everyone how to defend Brady, and it’s crowding the center of the field with cover 2 and daring Brady to throw outside to the one on ones. Brady can’t throw outside. He’s always been bad at it but he could do it if forced to before but now he just doesn’t have it in his bag of tricks anymore. How many times he tried to get it to Dorsett in those situations and flat missed it this year was ridiculous. And then of course the corners on the outside also started cheating on the routes because they know Brady’s never going to hit the go route, which is part of why separation was harder for the receivers (not saying the receivers were good at separation otherwise, a fair number would still struggle with it but lack of route diversity hurts a lot).

If any player can evolve and improve his game to adapt to this shortcoming it’s Thomas F. Brady, but to say he wasn’t also a part of the shortcomings of the offense this season is blind. There was failures at damn near every level. Most of the failures I put at the feet of all the offensive coaches who’ve been carried by Brady’s competence being unable to actually do anything for Brady the second he couldn’t do the same things he used to. McDaniels making Brady through 600 year times this season, 44 times in the playoff game is fucking ludicrously stupid. Watch some goddamn 49ers tape and develop a running game that is varied enough to bail out your offensive line. Have a receivers coach competent enough to be able to help the receivers run routes in a way that generates separation even when the go routes are gone. There’s so much the coaches could have done but instead they showed their ass again and said “well Brady will cover for us.”

P.s. the receivers coach of the Patriots was just hired as the NYG head coach (he was special teams coordinator+receivers coach). And McDaniels is hopefully buggering off to be a HC elsewhere too. My condolences to the NYG and whatever unlucky bastards hire McDaniels.
 
Bill’s staying almost certainly; it’s all up to Brady on what he wants to do next. Haven’t heard many people saying they’re picking one or the other.
Bill is 100% back I meant it more in the following sense:
Brady wants to play for the Patriots. But he wants them to commit to him. For some reason fans are divided on that.
Brian Flores showed everyone how to defend Brady, and it’s crowding the center of the field with cover 2 and daring Brady to throw outside to the one on ones. Brady can’t throw outside
Brady has had an above average outside receiver twice in his career (Moss and Cooks) he was the league MVP in both those years.

His outside targets this year were N'keal harry who couldn't separate from a statue IN COLLEGE (for some reason the patriots drafted him over 6 far superior players.) and Sanu who was probably the most terrible in season acquisition in recent NFL memory.

Watch some goddamn 49ers tape and develop a running game that is varied enough to bail out your offensive line.
Every niners RB runs sb 4.4 and can catch.

Sony Michel runs in slow motion and is one of the worst pass catching backs in the league.

It also helps that the 49ers have the best TE in the league (you kinda need one) who's amazing at blocking and receiving.

The 49ers also drafted a better rookie receiver and traded for a better receiver at the trade deadline, all while using less resources than the patriots.
 
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Every niners RB runs sb 4.4 and can catch.

It also helps that the 49ers have the best TE in the league (you kinda need one) who's amazing at blocking and receiving.

The 49ers also drafted a better rookie receiver and traded for a better receiver at the trade deadline, all while using less resources than the patriots.
God Niners s/o John and Kyle for bringing this franchise back to where it belongs
 

TheValkyries

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you cant commit to a 40 billion year old QB jesus christ whys that so hard
You know I have a hot take. People have always had Belichick as the Evil Emperor, but what if Belichick is the Vader to Brady’s Emperor.

Brady in the negotiating room with Belichick saying why he should pony up the cash for a longer term commitment:
 
The popular take is that Belichick wants Andy Dalton like he could actually win with him.

People only need to go back to last game Brady wasn't the Patriots starting QB to see how much Belichick needs him.
 

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Belichick probably would win with Dalton tbh. He's about as consistent as they come, which is perfect for that system.
 
Aside from a 100+ game sample size of Belichick not doing anything in the NFL as a head coach without Brady there's actually good reason to think Belichick can do something without Brady.

Belichick probably would win with Dalton tbh. He's about as consistent as they come, which is perfect for that system.
Consistent at throwing interceptions and doing nothing with extremely talented offensive rosters.
 

TheValkyries

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pretzels quick q why do you need belichick to be bad at his job? I know you have a lot of arguments but obviously it's all contestable and debateable and I no longer care to debate it, just... why do you feel the need to wage this crusade?
 
pretzels quick q why do you need belichick to be bad at his job? I know you have a lot of arguments but obviously it's all contestable and debateable and I no longer care to debate it, just... why do you feel the need to wage this crusade?
Because we now have multiple people stating that Belichick should ditch Brady for Andy Dalton (who they actually believe to be superior to Brady).

While Brady's struggles are directly attributable to Belichick's drafting of skill positions
 

TheValkyries

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Anyone who is saying andy dalton is better than brady is... how do you say it...

a moron. They're a moron. It doesn't have to be Brady vs Belichick, you don't have to feed into this false dichotomy. And yeah I know you think extremely little of the skill position management of the Patriots, and there's something to it, but it's not as black and white as all that. They've had a Hall of Famer catching passes on this team for over a decade with HoF arguments to be made by really zealous white bostonians for Welker and Edelman. You're right that Michel isn't Saquan Barkley or Ezekiel Elliot but he's not abysmally bad in any respect, and James White is far and away the best pass catching RB in the league. This is the first year without a HoFer catching passes on offense, and yeah that sucks but it's not the nail in a coffin as much as it is a normal bump that literally every other team in the league experiences all the time. Sometimes the team doesn't come together the way you want it to. What Bill has done as a GM with this sustained otherworldly dominance in the Free Agency era is utterly monstrous, and to just rail on him for the short comings of one season seems harsh.

Unless you want to do it for other reasons? Which circles back to my question of, why?
 
Which circles back to my question of, why?
The answer is likely for the unwarranted amount of clout he commands as a head coach. His mystique has now become so great that people believe he can win big with any QB, despite direct and obvious evidence to the contrary.

Hes the greatest coach of all time, but he got there because he shares the credit for the Patriots success 50/50 with Brady and for some reason people are now forgetting that.
 

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