ORAS Ubers No Rocks for my Birds - SemiStall Anti Meta (1700+)

[Exiline]

Hi Smogon, after I peak many times at 1700+I decided to post one of my ORAS Ubers team. It's a Semi-stall anti-meta on the begin of ORAS. But it doesn't work well now with the new meta (hi P Ogre toxic).Let's go for the RMT.


Teambuilding process:

I start with mega-sableye + lugia because these 2 mons check/counter many mons in Ubers and with his amazing ability sableye can protect lugia to stealth rocks.

Next I add SpDef Primal Groudon because I need a stealth rocks and P Don is the best rocks setter in the game and he check Xerneas, darkrai, kyogre and the lati twins very nicely.

I add latias because i'm pretty weak to kyogre and certain arceus form (hi groundceus), also latias learn defog.

My team is fucking destoyed by Ho-Oh and arceus is god. Welcome Rockceus. (and arceus learn defog too). He help me against Yveltal too.

Finally I use Banded Ho-Oh because it's my favorite mon in Ubers and he help me against strong special attacker.

Latias → Latios because I need power.

Thanks lucario powa for the art



Now let's get into the in-depth analysis for each pokemon.

Sableye @ Sablenite

Prankster
248 HP | 124 Def | 136 SpD
Impish Nature [+ Defense, - Sp. Atk.]
Moveset:
Foul Play – Foul Play is a standard on Mega Sableye in Ubers, and the reason is simple. Foul Play hit harder many mons in Ubers because in Ubers many mons have a great attack and prevent set up sweeper (hi arceus ekiller)
Will-O-Wisp - WoW is very important, because a burned physical sweeper is not a sweeper and for inflict resual damage.
Fake Out/Protect – This 2 moves is very useful for mega evolve safe and gain 1 turn of Burn/toxic.
I can break sash with fake out but I can use protect vs ghost mon.
Recover – Recoveris mandatory on sableye for staying power.
.....
Why this Pokémon?:
Sableye has a amazing typing in ubers (Such Mewtwo X and Y, kangashkan, arceus, deoxys-A...) and magic bounce is very useful vs many mon (lugia, deoxys-s no skill swap, defensive yveltal, giratina, klefki....)
.....
EVs & Nature:
248 HP helps me take hits better.
124 Def with a Impish nature help me take hits from physiqual sweepers.
136 SpDef for avoid the 2HKO on Fire blast's Mewtwo Y


Somes calc :


252 Atk Life Orb Arceus Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 91-108 (30 - 35.6%) -- 30.3% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 136 SpD Mega Sableye: 128-151 (42.2 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 109-129 (35.9 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

0 Atk Dark Aura Yveltal Foul Play vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 73-87 (24 - 28.7%) -- 97.2% chance to 4HKO

252 Atk Mega Mewtwo X Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 74-88 (24.4 - 29%) -- 99.7% chance to 4HKO

4 Atk Deoxys-A Knock Off vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 54-64 (17.8 - 21.1%) -- possible 5HKO

252 SpA Deoxys-A Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 136 SpD Mega Sableye: 99-117 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 98.9% chance to 3HKO

4 SpA Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Judgment vs. 248 HP / 136 SpD Mega Sableye: 120-142 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Griseous Orb Giratina-O Dragon Tail vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 84-99 (27.7 - 32.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

0 Atk Klefki Play Rough vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Mega Sableye: 110-132 (36.3 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Lugia @ Leftovers

Multisquale
248 HP | 164 Def | 96 Spe 0 Ivs Attack
Bold Nature [+ Defense, - Attack.]
Moveset:
Ice Beam – Ice Beam hit Mega salamence and Rayquaza very nicely and I avoid Taunt.
Toxic – Toxic is really cool on Lugia for Cripples opposing mon.
Whirlwind – For Phaze set up sweeper.
I can break sash with fake out but I can use protect vs ghost mon.
Roost – Roost is mandatory on Lugia for his staying power. I choose Roost over recover for take stone edge (P Don) and Thunder (Xerneas, Kyogre)
.....
Why this Pokémon?:
The Great Wall.... He wall many mons in ORAS : Salamence, P Don, Arceus....
.....
EVs & Nature:
248 HP helps me take hits better.
164 Def with a Bold nature help me take hits from physiqual sweepers.
96 Spef for outspeed mons with 90 BS speed, 252 Evs Speed and neutral nature (Hi Ho-Oh, P Don and P Ogre)

Ho-Oh @ Choice Band

Regenerator
248 HP | 208 Atk | 52 SpDef
Adamant nature [+ Attack, - Sp. Atk.]
Moveset:
Sacred Fire – Powerful Stab #1, Sacred Fire is broken with his 50% burn (and 5% mis)
Brave Bird – Not need explanations it's the powerful Stab #2
Earthquake – is really cool for the bird's coverage
Sleep Talk – Sleep Talk is really cool for hit darkrai during the sleep's bird
.....
Why this Pokémon?:
Because with his great typing and his amazing SpDef, Ho-Oh can check many mons in Ubers (Xerneas, Genesect, Lati twins, darkrai...)
And he help me against stall.
.....
EVs & Nature:
248 HP helps me take hits better.
208 Atk with an Adamant nature for hit harder.
52 Spef Ho-Oh live to Thunder's Xerneas at +2

Somes Calc :

+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 248 HP / 52 SpD Ho-Oh: 350-414 (84.3 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 52 SpD Ho-Oh: 117-138 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 52 SpD Ho-Oh: 165-196 (39.7 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 52 SpD Ho-Oh: 211-249 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
208+ Atk Choice Band Ho-Oh Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Dark: 268-316 (60.3 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Dread Plate Arceus-Dark Judgment vs. 248 HP / 52 SpD Ho-Oh: 100-118 (24 - 28.4%) -- 96.2% chance to 4HKO

Groudon @ Red Orb
Drought
248 HP | 8 Def | 252 SpDef
Careful [+ Sp. Def., - Sp. Atk.]
Moveset:
Earthquake – Earthquake is a great Stab. I choose eq over precipice blades dor the perfect accuracy
Dragon Claw – I use dragon claw because giratina-o, salamence and lati twins love switch on P Don
Thunder-Wave – I love this moves on P Don, because the opposing lati, darkrai and Xern not like the para.
Stealth rocks – Stealth rocks are mandatory in any teams.
.....
Why this Pokémon?:
All ORAS Ubers team have P Don and I need stealth rocks in my team. He checks lati twins, darkrai, xerneas, Kyogre...
.....
EVs & Nature:
248 HP helps me take hits better.
8 Def Little boost for his amazing defense
252 SpDef with a Careful nature help me take hits from special sweepers.


Some Calcs :


252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 136-161 (33.7 - 39.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 223-263 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time (lol)

Arceus @ Stone Plate
Multytipe
248 HP | 4 Def | 4 SpAtk | 252 Spe 0 IVs Attack
Timid [+ Speed., - Attack]
Moveset:
Judgement –His Stab, not need explanations
Defog – Delete the hazard (and the screen) on the field
Will-O-Wisp – a burned physical sweeper is not a sweeper
Recover – for his staying power , not need explanations
.....
Why this Pokémon?:
It's god....not seriously my team is destroyed by Ho-Oh and LO Yveltal if the rocks are up and arceus is great with his amazing speed tier, he learn defog and it's an another checks to ekiller and salamence.
.....
EVs & Nature:
248 HP helps me take hits better.
4 Def For give the SpAtk drop to genesect
252 Spe with a timid nature for outspeed all the tier (without darkrai, mewtwo and scarf)


Some calcs :

208+ Atk Choice Band Ho-Oh Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Rock: 134-158 (30.1 - 35.5%) -- 31.7% chance to 3HKO
208+ Atk Choice Band Ho-Oh Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Rock: 298-352 (67.1 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus-Rock: 216-255 (48.6 - 57.4%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO
4 SpA Stone Plate Arceus-Rock Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 332-392 (100.3 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Latios @ Soul dew
Levitate
252 SpAtk | 4 SpDef | 252 Spe 0 Ivs Attack
Timid [+ Speed., - Attack]
Moveset:
Draco Meteor –The nuke !!!
Psyschock – Second stab, hit harder blissey and P Ogre
Calm Mind – Extra power and Extra bulk with the soul dew
Recover – for his staying power , not need explanations
.....
Why this Pokémon?:
Kyogre's check (and P Don too) I love this mon not many mon can take a DM from latios, help me against stall. Also he can beat CM arceus (except dark and fairy form).
.....
EVs & Nature:
252 SpAtk For the power
4 SpDef Little bonus for his bulk
252 Spe with a timid nature because latios is very fast


Some calcs :

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 348-409 (93.2 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 271-321 (71.1 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primal Kyogre: 214-253 (62.5 - 73.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 388-457 (59.6 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Latios: 170-200 (56.4 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Ice Beam vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Latios: 114-136 (37.8 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO



Replays :


http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-198928119 vs standard offense

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-201657539 vs stall (and why stall team need Ho-Oh Check)

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-199376226 vs standard offense with deo-s skill swap

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-206135938 interesting replay vs balance.

Importable :

Fuck The Meta (Sableye) (F) @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 SpD
Impish Nature
- Foul Play
- Fake Out
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

The Great Wall (Lugia) @ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 248 HP / 164 Def / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Whirlwind
- Roost

Phoenix (Ho-Oh) @ Choice Band
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 208 Atk / 52 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Brave Bird
- Earthquake
- Sleep Talk

Ban me plz (Groudon-Primal) @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock

Arceus - Ground (Arceus) @ Stone Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Judgment
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

Skyrio (Latios) (M) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Roost


Threatlist :

Where is my Tyranitar

If he has toxic I probably lose the game.

DD salamence if he has eq and lugia and P Don is weaken.

P Don Double dancer if lugia is weaken

If the rocks are up, darkrai LO nasty plot is very hard to kill for me (bounce dark void with sableye or kill with P Don)

SD Ghostceus + Shadow force destroy my team:(

If he has smell smash, he can really hurt my team.

Darkceus CM + refresh is very hard for my team, latios can check the other CM + Refresh arceus but not the dark x(. Go Ho-Oh.

Adamant + SR P Don because sableye is 2HKO by eq/precipice blades/fire punch and he can use SR.

Diancie is a big threat, lugia can beat she in 1v1, arceus outspeed and can kill a weaken diancie and P Don take Moonblast/Diamond storm + earthpower and he OHKO in return.

Thx for your rate :)


~Exiline

 

[Unwanted]

Solid team, i remeber loosing to it multiple times on the ladder, unfortunately I'm not sure what to suggest cause it seem fine as it is.

Free bump tho

 

[Antacool]

Nice team Exiline ;)

 

[PISTOLERO]

Hello, your team seems to be very well built and covers pretty much everything I can think of. However, as you noted in your threatlist, Dark-types can be a significant issue. I have 3 potential solutions that could work for you, with all three replacing Latios should you want to try them:

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Heal Bell / Toxic
- Wish
- Protect

This variant of Clefable deals with Yveltal very well, walls Arceus-Dark and PP stalls it out of Judgments and Recovers with Unaware, while also 1v1ing other Calm Mind Arceus formes again thanks to Unaware. It can heal away Toxic on your Arceus-Rock / Groudon and can wish pass to Groudon as well.

Xerneas @ Leftovers / Shed Shell
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind / Roar
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

CroXern can absorb sleep from Darkrai should you not want to switch Ho-Oh in to take a Dark Void (Stealth Rock being up), can 1v1 Arceus-Dark effortlessly, can act as a last-mon-standing heavy sweeper to potentially save you, and can also 1v1 Calm Mind Arceus that aren't Dark due to Moonblast's Special Attack drops. If you use Roar it can just about take boosted hits from physical attackers and phase them out, and can phase Arceus-Dark too. You also get to drag Ho-Oh through Stealth Rock should it try to switch in on you. Shed Shell lets you bluff Choice Scarf should you switch in on Dark Void, and lets you escape Mega Gengar.

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind
- Heal Bell
- Moonlight

This Clefable set is rather bizzare but it can actually 1v1 Calm Mind Arceus formes thanks to Unaware, and can also act as a cleric. This Clefable can actually set up on Geomancy Xerneas, believe it or not, and walls Yveltal as well.

The second and third sets may seem rather far out, but Calm Mind Fairies are always interesting to use. Clefable doesn't care about Darkrai's Nasty Plot boosts and "only" takes 50-60% from Life Orb Sludge Bomb, returning ~85% damage with Moonblast.

You could also try Tyranitar, again over Latios, something along the lines of:

Tyranitar @ Chople Berry / Shuca Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Low Kick
- Ice Beam / Thunder Wave / Counter / Roar / Toxic (I have honestly no idea)

I honestly have no idea about the EVs or last move, Pursuit helps you trap Gengar, Low Kick 2HKOes Arceus-Dark and deals heavy damage to Darkrai (you wall both after Dark Void has been used), Stone Edge lets you deal damage to Ho-Oh and Yveltal, with the last slot being whatever you want, you could run Ice Beam for Salamence, Thunder Wave for Salamence, Counter + Chople Berry for SD Arceus-Ghost (you'd probably need some investment in Defense to live Brick Break though), Counter + Shuca Berry for offensive Groudon / Salamence, Toxic to ruin Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost, Roar to phase out things.

I hope that one of these suggestions helps you improve your team, and good luck!

 

[Lemonade]

Hello, your team seems to be very well built and covers pretty much everything I can think of. However, as you noted in your threatlist, Dark-types can be a significant issue. I have 3 potential solutions that could work for you, with all three replacing Latios should you want to try them:

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Heal Bell / Toxic
- Wish
- Protect

This variant of Clefable deals with Yveltal very well, walls Arceus-Dark and PP stalls it out of Judgments and Recovers with Unaware, while also 1v1ing other Calm Mind Arceus formes again thanks to Unaware. It can heal away Toxic on your Arceus-Rock / Groudon and can wish pass to Groudon as well.

Xerneas @ Leftovers / Shed Shell
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind / Roar
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

CroXern can absorb sleep from Darkrai should you not want to switch Ho-Oh in to take a Dark Void (Stealth Rock being up), can 1v1 Arceus-Dark effortlessly, can act as a last-mon-standing heavy sweeper to potentially save you, and can also 1v1 Calm Mind Arceus that aren't Dark due to Moonblast's Special Attack drops. If you use Roar it can just about take boosted hits from physical attackers and phase them out, and can phase Arceus-Dark too. You also get to drag Ho-Oh through Stealth Rock should it try to switch in on you. Shed Shell lets you bluff Choice Scarf should you switch in on Dark Void, and lets you escape Mega Gengar.

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind
- Heal Bell
- Moonlight

This Clefable set is rather bizzare but it can actually 1v1 Calm Mind Arceus formes thanks to Unaware, and can also act as a cleric. This Clefable can actually set up on Geomancy Xerneas, believe it or not, and walls Yveltal as well.

The second and third sets may seem rather far out, but Calm Mind Fairies are always interesting to use. Clefable doesn't care about Darkrai's Nasty Plot boosts and "only" takes 50-60% from Life Orb Sludge Bomb, returning ~85% damage with Moonblast.

You could also try Tyranitar, again over Latios, something along the lines of:

Tyranitar @ Chople Berry / Shuca Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Low Kick
- Ice Beam / Thunder Wave / Counter / Roar / Toxic (I have honestly no idea)

I honestly have no idea about the EVs or last move, Pursuit helps you trap Gengar, Low Kick 2HKOes Arceus-Dark and deals heavy damage to Darkrai (you wall both after Dark Void has been used), Stone Edge lets you deal damage to Ho-Oh and Yveltal, with the last slot being whatever you want, you could run Ice Beam for Salamence, Thunder Wave for Salamence, Counter + Chople Berry for SD Arceus-Ghost (you'd probably need some investment in Defense to live Brick Break though), Counter + Shuca Berry for offensive Groudon / Salamence, Toxic to ruin Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost, Roar to phase out things.

I hope that one of these suggestions helps you improve your team, and good luck!

you posted the same thing twice nerd
also imo go with a cm fairy otherwise donkey might accuse you of using a variation of his team, though he probably still would if he hadn't quit since the support clefable / lugia / sableye is a goto defensive core (as seen in spl and some other rmts iirc), whereas there hasn't been as much of the cm fairies. While this isn't technically a legitimate reason to use one set over the other, it is fun to play with something different

 

[Exiline]

Hey Pistolero,
I really like the idea of clefable in my team but w/out latios i'm very very weak to Kyogre (especially Defensive SleepTalker P Ogre) But I try clef in the ladder and I say u the results. :]

252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable in Heavy Rain: 294-346 (74.6 - 87.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Lugia in Heavy Rain: 259-306 (62.2 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Primal Groudon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Primal Kyogre: 139-165 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

 

[PISTOLERO]

Hey Pistolero,
I really like the idea of clefable in my team but w/out latios i'm very very weak to Kyogre (especially Defensive SleepTalker P Ogre) But I try clef in the ladder and I say u the results. :]

252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable in Heavy Rain: 294-346 (74.6 - 87.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Lugia in Heavy Rain: 259-306 (62.2 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Primal Groudon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Primal Kyogre: 139-165 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Well, you do have specially defensive Groudon to switch into Kyogre a couple of times, and nothing on your team lets Kyogre come in for free unless you lock Ho-Oh into Sacred Fire. Sableye can burn it to wear it down, Ho-Oh OHKOes with Brave Bird or does significant damage with Earthquake, Lugia poisons it and can outspeed and Roost back up to Multiscale if need be, and Arceus-Rock can deal damage with Judgment or again wear it down with Wisp. Clefable is not a free switchin for Kyogre as it can Wish as Kyogre comes in, then pass the Wish to Groudon or simply Protect to get its own health back, lure the Origin Pulse then switch to Groudon for free. If you want to deal more damage to Kyogre with Groudon, by all means use Precipice Blades over Earthquake, as it can 2HKO even fully physically defensive Kyogre after Stealth Rock. I can see the issue if Kyogre switches into Groudon, but as long as you don't telegraph your moves you should be fine. I just noticed that you are using Dragon Claw on Groudon, I would recommend you change this to Dragon Tail, and also consider Stone Edge or Lava Plume over Thunder Wave.

 

[Exiline]

not wrong :)

 

[Steve Angello]

Hey Exiline,
nice team you ve built here! I don t have many suggestions but a couple ideas. First of all I would go for Latias, because your team is not spikesstacking offense and does not need the CM Latios power. Latias has more bulk and will help you in combination with Groudon much more vs Kyogre, which is at the moment rather problematic. This would allow your Arceus to run Refresh which is much better vs opposing stall and Toxic Offense. I would like to see a Cleric in your team like Xerneas but that would change the team to much in my opinion. Otherwise the team is well structured and built.

Latias (F) @ Soul Dew
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hardy Nature
- Roost / Healingwish
- Psyshock
- Reflect Type
- Draco Meteor / Thunderwave

 

[Exiline]

Hey Steve Angello
ah reflect type I like the idea for wall Kyo :) But I use CM latios mainly for CM Ceus :) (and after 1 CM DM is litteraly a nuke^^)

 

[Steve Angello]

It is not meant to wall Kyogre, you wall it anyway with Latias! It is meant to avoid getting Pursuittrapped from Tyranitar/ Scizor.

 

[no longer here]

23:14 McMeghan: maybe that person was just expressing their most desirable yet unrechable wish:
23:14 McMeghan: being Evuelf.
23:14 McMeghan: a dream shared by many

 

[Thugly Duckling]

You've got some good suggestions from pistolero, so i'll leave your team at that; but, your team will look an awful like Steelphoenix's if you go with Clefable. Btw, your Arceus-Rock picture gives viewers a nice look at His assholecave.

 

[Exiline]

10/10 teamsteal, this team can't beat Mega-Diancie this why i don't use it anymore thanks for sharing I guess.

Hi Evuelf,
Firstly I don't steal your team, the build is very standard it's just a coincidence if we are the same team... And if I steal u can say the same to steelphoenix and I can say to many other player "u steal my offense with Deo-S, Arceus ekiller, P Don, Xern, darkrai and salamence"
Secondly yh diancie is a threat and I forgot she in the threatlist (thx) but lugia win the 1v1 and ceus can kill and outspeed diancie if he weaken (and P Don OHKO diancie but he take 55% from earth power).

"Btw, your Arceus-Rock picture gives viewers a nice look at His assholecave." lol ^^'

 

[Hack]

Secondly yh diancie is a threat and I forgot she in the threatlist (thx) but lugia win the 1v1

lol

I can attest to Evuelf making this team. I played him on ladder very early oras (less than a week after Mega Ray was banned I think) and it isn't standard enough to where coincidence bs argument applies. Cmon team stealing isn't cool regardless of how good/bad the team itself is.

 

[Lemonade]

eh this team doesn't really use any random set or obscure / customized EVs so you kind of need more than "I played him on the ladder very early oras" to accuse Exiline of team stealing. Did Evuelf pastebin this team? Was Exiline watching Evuelf's games? Does Evuelf have replays of this team? (PS doesn't have any btw). And if there is actual evidence, why didn't you just include that with your initial post lol.

Is it that hard to imagine someone else would make the same team as you? It's not like there are that many workable combinations of Pokemon left when you fix Sableye and Lugia.

benefit of the doubt etc.

edit @ below
1st bolding and repasting: And if there is actual evidence, why didn't you just include that with your initial post lol.

Anyway, cool, you do have replays. They are still from the beginning of December, and if you looked up Exiline's post history outside of short post in an Ubers RMT it seems to me like he played OU. Sure lurking and forums =/= PS, but I'm not seeing the likelyhood that an OU player caught some of your Ubers ladder games, stole your team, and decided to wait 2 months to RMT it. But that's enough from me, Exiline is the one with the details here.

edit: k Evuelf gave me more info (once again, just provide everything in the first place) so stuff is more clear now.

And as for why it matters: no evidence makes it look petty, not very convincing, not something that makes people feel welcome
with evidence: now there is an actual issue, saves time, stealing teams is a bigger deal

 

[Exiline]

Evuelf, seriously u think if I steal ur team I post in Smogon...I'm not stupid really. And steal team and post is very ugly....I'm not a garbage lol.

lol

I can attest to Evuelf making this team. I played him on ladder very early oras (less than a week after Mega Ray was banned I think) and it isn't standard enough to where coincidence bs argument applies. Cmon team stealing isn't cool regardless of how good/bad the team itself is.

and hack the build is standard imo:

Lugia + sableye is not an amazing innovation
P Don: thi mon is in 90% of the ORAS team
Arceus: many teams have an arceus...
Ho-Oh check many threat and he help many teams against stall

But Honestly, if you don't believe me I do not care....

Have a good day

 

[GOthee]

Evuelf, seriously u think if I steal ur team I post in Smogon...I'm not stupid really. And steal team and post is very ugly....I'm not a garbage lol.


and hack the build is standard imo:

Lugia + sableye is not an amazing innovation
P Don: thi mon is in 90% of the ORAS team
Arceus: many teams have an arceus...
Ho-Oh check many threat and he help many teams against stall

But Honestly, if you don't believe me I do not care....

Have a good day

Describing the combination so coldly and making up excuses makes me think that guy is right. TimeStamps are the proof we need.