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I thought I told yah... Omastar
You see the ace... You see the Zard
Omastar and Charizard are now NU, discuss this new metagame.
My previous post was deleted, nbd I'll elaborate.snip.
Like others have already said, HP Electric on Omastar will be better than Stone Edge as HP Electric hits the same things has Edge does, except hits Mantine, Pelipper, and Prinplup harder and still remains reliable unlike Stone Edge. Stone Edge is really only relevant vs Articuno since other things it hits already fear a STAB Water move, Ice Beam, or HP Electric.My previous post was deleted, nbd I'll elaborate.
I said that Omastar could run Stone Edge to 2hko Mantine after rocks.
0 Atk Omastar Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 228 Def Mantine: 146-174 (43.8 - 52.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (on this calc i ran naive but with a nature like modest...)
0- Atk Omastar Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 228 Def Mantine: 132-156 (39.6 - 46.8%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery it's a roll. And of course you have to hit 2 edges and they probably will switch.
Rock Slide Sceptile is a lot better now, makes zard more scared to switch and it can still hit mag, just gotta watch out for Skuntank. A set I was thinking about before was power herb Charizard.
Stuff like Rhydon gets bodied after rocks, seems like a fairly good anti-lead, this set just gets bodied by oma though so I dont think itll be as good as I thought.
252 SpA Charizard Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Eviolite Rhydon: 392-464 (94.6 - 112%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
I dont know whether to think Lanturn became better or worse. AV Lanturn can handle Omastar fairly well but it's scared by Zard running eq or something.
SS Oma will probably be not as good, but I find Weak Armor + Shell Smash is still pretty threatening. It has a high enough defense to eat an initial hit and then Shell Smash. This brings it up to +3 Speed, which makes it hard to RK outside of Priority moves.lead oma will be mediocre at best. it's just too easy to get off a 1 time defog rn in the tier and we don't have the tools as a tier to really punish the defoggers. not sure how good SS oma will be, but i can't really see it being better than barbaracle so it'll probably be mediocre as well.
It doesn't really beat rotom, at most it wins with 30-40ish percent left, as wisphex sets are meant to break pokemon like cradily, and xatu straight up beats cradily, easily calm minding all over it, whilst ap is easily stalled outView attachment 56700
Cradily @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP / 36 Def / 224 SpD
- Giga Drain
- Stealth Rock
- Acient Power/Toxic
A mon I see getting a lot better in this meta is Cradily. This spread can take Modest Choice Specs Fire Blast from Charizard and +2 Ice Beam from Omastar, OHKOing them both in return. Laturn's getting better made Cradily better in turn, as Lanturn can't touch it.
The rise in usage of mons like Rotom and Xatu also definitely helps its viability, as these mons can't do much to it either.