blood tastes like iron
Thats 6 (sic) new Pokemon!
Only half will be good but yeah!
Lickilicky and Audino will most likely compete for a cleric. Audino has in most cases, a better ability, and better HP than Lickilicky. Lickilicky can actually DO Damage, something that Audino can't.How is Audino a worse Lickilicky? It's way better lol
Like seriously Regenerator is insanely good on a mon like that
hi! this is a problem! It's a good thing you mention this because I think that both Vigoroth and Exeggutor need to be suspect tested if we want PU to be a healthy metagame. We just got drops so I'm not calling for this immediately (maybe like a week from now works), but I really don't see the meta shifting away from this any time soon. Basically, these two Pokemon (Exeggutor moreso than Vigoroth, but Vigoroth is also more traditionally broken) give defensive teams an insanely hard time in the current metagame to the point where they aren't really seen as viable at all. Neither of these Pokemon really have dedicated stops that are easy to fit on teams, and Exeggutor in particular can get around them pretty easily (SpD Vullaby is 2HKOed by Specs Ancientpower after rocks and defensive Metang actually loses to Exeggutor even without Sleep Powder because it can just keep clicking Leaf Storm as Metang struggles to do much back. There's also the issue of sets like SubSitrus and SubPetaya which are even harder for slow teams to deal with). Meanwhile, Vigoroth also has few dedicated stops and can basically pick and choose its checks by running either Taunt or Substitute, while even being insanely hard to stop for offensive teams to beat without going way out of there way to prepare for it. There's really not much I can honestly think of that beats Vigoroth at all, bar Machoke, some variants of Monferno (this is pretty shaky), and fast Misdreavus. All in all I really do think that PU would be a much better tier with both of these Pokemon gone and therefore would like them to be suspected sooner rather than later.but im not sure if the playstyle is viable due to mons like Exeggutor and Vigoroth being common.
I never said otherwise? You're completely missing the point of why it should be suspected, of course a mon with base 55 speed and no boosting moves isn't going to be broken if you only take offensive teams into account.Exeggutor definitely does not need to be suspected. The checks to it on an offensive team are extremely numerous.
I'd argue that defensive teams would actually be pretty decent if these two Pokemon were banned. When I say "defensive teams" I don't just mean full stall (which yes, probably won't ever be that great in PU, but it's better than being completely unviable), I'm also talking about more defensively oriented balance teams which get completely annihilated by Exeggutor (yes, they can run something faster that can kill it, but the Exeggutor user can then just switch out and eventually force the balance team to have to sack something). Without these two impossible to deal with threats, it will be much better, especially because of Audino which not only helps a lot in general because it's such a great Wish passer but is also a special Floatzel counter that doesn't just die to physical Floatzel clicking the right move, which is enormously helpful because it means you don't have to rely on correctly guessing its set. I really don't see how anyone can oppose a suspect for a mon that has such an awful impact on the metagame.[/quote]You do bring up a valid point about Eggy not being broken, but unhealthy for the meta because it kills the viability of defensive teams. However, even Eggy leaving wouldn't make defensive teams much more viable. There's not much PU can do to solve the problem at this point- at least Audino helped a little bit. Additionally I'm not all too convinced on the "ethics" of banning something just to make a certain playstyle better.