NP - Reptilia: SV ND DOU Suspect Process 4: Zygarde

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It's time for our fourth suspect test- Zygarde! Zygarde has long been one of the most controversial Pokemon in the National Dex Doubles metagame. A Doubles staple across multiple generations, Zygarde enjoys access to Thousand Arrows, a spread Ground move that uniquely hits flying types, enabling Zygarde to consistently exert offensive pressure.

Entering Generation 9's National Dex Scene, Zygarde received multiple buffs with the introduction of Terastallization and the Clear Amulet item. These additions enable Zygarde to more effectively run setup sets like Dragon Dance or even Coil while bypassing much of the counterplay available to these sets in previous Doubles generations. Terastallization can enable Zygarde to flip its worst matchups and set up or sweep in the face of Pokemon that would traditionally pose a threat to it, such as Flutter Mane or Chien-Pao. Clear Amulet allows Zygarde to ignore Intimidate, a key metagame component that was one of the best checks to Zygarde in past generations. Additionally, Zygarde has decent set variety, being able to effectively run Choice Band and become a strong wall breaker that fits on a wide number of teams.

Of course, none of this is particularly recent news. Last September, Zygarde was suspected for many of the same reasons noted above. Notably, it remained legal after the vote as many in the community felt that there were other, stronger, options available in the tier or that Coaching was more a pressing issue. However, since then, the metagame has undergone several bans and paradigm shifts and Zygarde has remained a dominant threat. Coaching, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, Metagross, and Zamazenta have all since been removed, which has lowered the power level of the format, giving Zygarde even more opportunities to set up or simply deal strong spread damage with the Choice Band set. Furthermore, Zygarde has seen increased usage when paired with Jirachi, whose access to Follow Me grants Zygarde even more ability to take over games.

Zygarde is still not without its checks, as its somewhat middling attack stat means that it often needs multiple attack boosts or modifiers to deal significant damage to somewhat bulky neutral targets. Marshadow continues to be a strong metagame presence that can steal boosts from Zygarde with Spectral Thief as well as threaten its most common partner in Jirachi. Meanwhile, offensive teams can aim to damage Zygarde before it can take over a game, mitigating its impact.

During the ongoing Doubles Derby, a team tour with two NDDOU slots, Zygarde has seen a tremendous amount of usage, reaching 2nd overall in the tier through the first few weeks at 37%. In response to comments from the community, the council opted to run a survey, which included Zygarde (as well as Jirachi). On this survey, Zygarde received the highest support for tiering action, coming in at an average of 6.49/10, while Jirachi scored a very similar 6.44 indicating that both Pokemon are seen as somewhat problematic by large portions of the community. However, the council has opted to suspect Zygarde first due to its long and consistent run of controversy within the tier.

As usual, a 60% ban vote must be achieved in order to ban Zygarde.

Suspect Test Information
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GXEminimum games
8430
83.831
83.632
83.433
83.234
8335
82.836
82.637
82.438
82.239
8240
81.841
81.642
81.443
81.244
8145
80.846
80.647
80.448
80.249
8050
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in over 25 matches in National dex Double which i assume is the tier this post is talking about, i have encountered only 2 zyguarde one of which i completely destroyed. with a maractus... the other one got throught some of my team until i realise it dies in one hit to anything that can nudge it with a cube of ice. if it tera it lose its typing and deal less dmg it need many boost to be viable. by itself its actually useless in fact i wouldnt be surprised to see it drop down if it wasn't for the actual threats being its ''Supporting'' mons that actually do the entire job. You want to ban zyguarde but the issue isn't even zyguarde. extreme evoboost has virtually zero counter. as taunting do not prevent Z moves. ghost types that are viable are spectrier and gengar, gengar dies to stored power. and i think spectrier is also a one tap so.. and thats assuming its not a baton pass set (also Assuming im not confusing the tiers) ogerpon heartflame can one shot a resist with ivy cudgel. in fact it can one tap (some) double resists and after a boost it can basically one tap everything. with few exceptions meanwhile nobody consider banning it. zyguarde is way worse. we should focus on ridding the tier of the meta-defining nearly impossible to counter and in some occasion no counters. (looking at you eevee, you fluffy fox dog thing!) then if zyguarde is broken after this then yeah we'Il ban it. but there too much bs and meta defining threats that zyguarde is more of a supporting character. the common zyguarde i've run into use tera steel or fighting to avoid dying to X4 effective ice types but then ogerpon heartflame counter that steel tera. so reading zyguarde and sending ogerpon with a ice type together as a anti zyguarde duo mean that not only you got ogerpon heartflame which is going to bully your opponent. but if zyguarde doesnt tera into steel it dies to ice beam ice spinner ice punch etc. if it tera fighting then. some ice types carry psychic coverage. and in fact ogerpon does get play rough which is fairy which beat fighting so. zyguarde isn't safe anywhere due to the abundance of ogerpon. doesnt have to be heartflame ANY ogerpon can bully zyguarde EVEN by itself. since even if it doesnt tera then.. play rough is still super effective. and zyguarde isn't going first. thats for sure. zyguarde has to d.dance or coil to be able to do something and depending on who is supporting ogerpon it wont matter if play rough one tap or not. considering something like glare (from like serperior) or a sticky web or whatever can lower speed just mean that ogerpon is gonna outpseed even after +1 d.dance and if it run Coil then it cant outspeed and the +1 defense is not guaranted to leave zyguarde alive from a second play rough. so im running gimmicky teams that are mostly trash with the exception of my main team which while does have maractus also run threats like spectrier and manaphy. (which support maractus) and yet i have never even gotten close to losing to a zyguarde. so yeah. take this with a grain of salt im not the best in that tier (or any tiers) But i consider myself decent enough to know what im talking about since i do play this a lot. zyguarde already is getting bullied in pokemon battles let'S not bully the weird looking dragon ground snake thing any further. lol. of course as i said i've only ran into 2 zygardes but yeah.
 
Just gonna share some overall thoughts here.
tl;dr
I don't think zyg is broken without rachi at all and I don't think the combo of zygrachi is quite broken, But I am still leaning BAN because I believe it is unhealthy to have a core this easy to pilot and build be this strong.

I believe:

Zyg is here Only Because of it's combo with rachi

Not to say Zyg is bad by any means without rachi. the band set is incredibly consistent and gets value without needing much support as well, and coil sets can be supported by various means and are not always reliant on redirection to be effecient. However, the real point of contention here is the dragon dance set paired with redirection from Jirachi. It seems there is a common misconception that Zygarde would be broken even if Jirachi weren't in the tier with the rationale that Zygarde with any decent redirection would still be incredibly threatening after a couple dragon dances. The issue with this argument is that it is made under the assumption that there is good redirection in this tier other than Jirachi. There is not.
Wellspring, Hearthflame, Sinistcha, Amoongus etc all have the common issue of being grass type, which while it isn't the worst type is incredibly unideal to have on your redirector. Salamence, Tornadus, and Charizard are the 3 most common Tailwind setters in the tier and without rachi zyg + redirection is now weak to 3/3 instead of 1/3 which is very bad. not to say they'd be useless but this is significantly worse than zyg rachi as you cannot punish the opponent for attempting to get up speed control with threats of winning the game like the dynamic duo can. even objectively speaking if you look through the stats you'll find hearthflame is the only other redirector with actual decent success (Amoongus has seen some usage but that mon loses most of the time and for good reason it's a deadslot on a lot of teams in a lot of match up) and that is because of it's attributes outside of being a redirector moreso than it being a redirector itself.

However, I am not ignorant to the fact that zygarde is rachi's best abuser by FAR and we see evidence of this throughout derby as compositions with other abusers have not performed half as well as the combo of zyg rachi. While both could possibly make it on this slate without the other, The combination of the two together are a far greater threat than each mon themselves.

Zygrachi's Pressure in the builder is overexaggerated

This core is very strong but I believe players treat it as if it is harder to beat and build around then it actually is. Strong players with a good understandning of the metagame(or at least support that has it) have been able to consistently use teams outside of this core and succeed with very good records (see eragon Schister Test Bots SeaLife and others). I encourage these players to also post there thoughts for more perspective but I bring them up to point out that this core is not without faults and the best players have actively been rewarded for building around it.

This does bring me to my next and largest point though: Zygrachi is too easy.
While I don't feel the combo itself is too strong to the point of brokenness, for it's strength, it is WAY too easy to build and pilot. The typing of the 2 mons both being so good into so much of the tier and easily synergistic with other very strong mons means that usually teams including this core end up just being goodstuffs standard teams. This has the effect of having the objectively most consistent and arguably most powerful core in the tier require a minimal understanding of the tier to pilot and perform with and that absolutely worsens the health of a tier. clicking dragon dance folow me and winning is definitely too powerful for how easy it is to pilot and build, and that is ultimately why I think I will be leaning BAN on zygarde in this suspect. I personally believe rachi to be the bigger perpetrator but am content with either of them going to prevent the combo of the 2 being used in the tier as it is too effective for how easy it is to use.
 
unban for sure,the dragon dance&coil type require lot of resources,like a intimater or something。and u know,that fire/dark thing,u wont say no to clear amulet,witch means you have no leftover on it。and zyg have no recover move,most important is treat of special attacker&marshadow,wanna tera fire to resistance fairy?and want coil?well,u are marshadow's attack level。and wow,tera fire steel normal……hemm,u know there is lando right?u can always use(but some how not often to see during my nddouble,he is strong okay?show some respect!) like……max special bulk can take two hit earth power from him?no!
next is choice band。im not really like these kind of zyg。u can use this in gen7 i guess,but dude its fxxking gen9 now,lot of monster in here the 100 base attack and 90base power also spread……is trash,only some tail wind team is suitable for these kind。
alright,so on,zyg have lot of shortcoming。but those cant cover that its a good pokemon,on vgc 5protect1 terapa had lot of usage,wow,u can calm mind like twice,but still cant one hit kill urshifu。even this thing got some usage,so zyg is。thousand arrow is an incredible aoe move,u can team up with a charlizardY or torandous(what it called?) build up fire/ground fly/round that have no any type or any double type(i guess that how u called?) can booth resistan。very horrible。those are major reson use zyg instead of lando landoT i dont know? iron thread?



so yeah a interesting pokemon,ban it could be a loss for nddoule。so unban pls!

some thing i cant explain on this,i dont care,u hove google。
这个z蛇有一个非常不得了的队友在ndd,z蛇怕啥啊,怕特攻手,你看那土地云一发大地力轰一发半条命都要没了,还有鳍鳍。鳍鳍那更是。你在那盘卷卷半天结果千箭齐发射出来根本打不动卡璞鳍鳍,卡璞鳍鳍冥想几下直接把你秒了去啊,还在这跟我盘卷盘卷龙舞龙舞。卡璞鳍鳍使用率真是莫名其妙的低啊,一个个不会玩吗?蠢得很!好了,有没有一只精灵能和z蛇联防,能为z蛇控速,还能为其制造地火打击面,你戳不动的我烧,我烧不动的你戳。Y喷嘛。喷火龙y和z蛇契合度不能说十分,甚至有九分高。y喷可以开顺风,我z蛇可以用更好的盘卷来强化,y喷能把那些戳不动的草系虫系全部烧死,y喷还可以帮他联防妖精系。最重要的是z蛇怕的什么鳍鳍土地云y喷都能压制,土地云根本打不过y喷,卡璞鳍鳍没冥想起来一个日光束大残。还有些什么振翼发古剑豹披带玛夏多(这种就是专门反强化的,完全没有玛豹兄弟里命玉老玛的那种破坏力,没有什么卡璞鳍鳍老虎这种搞玛豹的东西玛豹真的可以把你打穿的哦!)都不太好搞y喷。我只能说,晴天队可以没有波荡水,甚至振翼发和猛雷鼓都可以不有,但z蛇一定要有!(顺便说一下如果朱紫普双能用mega我心中的前5mega:第一名Y喷,第二名耿鬼,第三名巨金怪,第四名暴飞龙,第五名大嘴娃,可惜牢大没增强拳,不然第五就是牢大的了。单神战的话第一名裂空座,第二名牢大(没增强拳的我也觉得有实力在这,鬼马王根本搞不了牢大,这点太加分了),第三名y喷,第四名暴飞龙,第五名耿鬼,双神战第一名裂空座,第二名Y喷,第三名暴飞龙,第四名耿鬼,第五名牢大,双神战的话牢大和跟鬼之间的差距极大,耿鬼使用率可能有15位往上走,但牢大就只有3、40以下了。你可能会有点疑惑y喷神战还能这么高评分。嘿嘿,思维定式了吧。Y喷以前神战不厉害因为什么忘了么?那都是原始回归互抢天气啊,固拉多和盖欧卡是原始回归哦,不是mega,我们说的是mega如果在朱紫里的话会怎么样。Y喷完封不带龙本的故勒顿,暴打藏指导冰马王,鬼马王在喷火龙面前也不站优势,露奈雅拉流星光束没射到也很难搞,同为天气手的固拉多不行了,盖欧卡抢不过你,毕竟你mega后手开晴天嘛。唯一怕的就是密勒顿,我认为y喷在朱紫神战里面也是非常不得了的)
龙卷云其实和z蛇不太搭,因为两个之间没什么联防价值,然后龙卷云力度就那样而且说没有盲点还真有个盲点,叫做拖拖蚯。但y喷➕z蛇是真的没有任何一只精灵能同时抵抗y喷的火本加千箭齐发的,而且火打击要比飞打击个人感觉要好点,飞行系技能最厉害的是贯穿性而不是克制。
总结下吧,z蛇单兵实力根本不强,但强就强在gen9和这个规则给他的红利太tm多了。清净坠饰,你老虎搞不了我,太晶化,规避原本地龙那个垃圾属性。而且队友强力,能相互联防的基拉祈和盾菇掩护,老虎和猩猩经典虎猩兄弟轮转强化,还有龙卷云,喷火龙y这些互补的兄弟你的短板我帮你补,我的短板你帮我补。但是并没有对环境有什么破坏(这些村/规管/事的真的/是,看到点啥/就要banbanba/n的,好不好/玩啊/,哪天/把你/号/ban了行/不行。加/斜/杠不/能/让他/们看/懂)。反而能成为环境中一个优秀的地面系精灵,能在队伍中起到作用,也会为队伍造成缺陷。起到塑造出一个更好的环境的效果。

share a zyg team that u can say it have no any problem
https://pokepast.es/406a7ebd21160e99
zyg charY inc rilla flutter jirachi
 
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Kangaskhan used sky drop said:
some thing i cant explain on this,i dont care,u hove google。
这个z蛇有一个非常不得了的队友在ndd,z蛇怕啥啊,怕特攻手,你看那土地云一发大地力轰一发半条命都要没了,还有鳍鳍。鳍鳍那更是。你在那盘卷卷半天结果千箭齐发射出来根本打不动卡璞鳍鳍,卡璞鳍鳍冥想几下直接把你秒了去啊,还在这跟我盘卷盘卷龙舞龙舞。卡璞鳍鳍使用率真是莫名其妙的低啊,一个个不会玩吗?蠢得很!好了,有没有一只精灵能和z蛇联防,能为z蛇控速,还能为其制造地火打击面,你戳不动的我烧,我烧不动的你戳。Y喷嘛。喷火龙y和z蛇契合度不能说十分,甚至有九分高。y喷可以开顺风,我z蛇可以用更好的盘卷来强化,y喷能把那些戳不动的草系虫系全部烧死,y喷还可以帮他联防妖精系。最重要的是z蛇怕的什么鳍鳍土地云y喷都能压制,土地云根本打不过y喷,卡璞鳍鳍没冥想起来一个日光束大残。还有些什么振翼发古剑豹披带玛夏多(这种就是专门反强化的,完全没有玛豹兄弟里命玉老玛的那种破坏力,没有什么卡璞鳍鳍老虎这种搞玛豹的东西玛豹真的可以把你打穿的哦!)都不太好搞y喷。我只能说,晴天队可以没有波荡水,甚至振翼发和猛雷鼓都可以不有,但z蛇一定要有!(顺便说一下如果朱紫普双能用mega我心中的前5mega:第一名Y喷,第二名耿鬼,第三名巨金怪,第四名暴飞龙,第五名大嘴娃,可惜牢大没增强拳,不然第五就是牢大的了。单神战的话第一名裂空座,第二名牢大(没增强拳的我也觉得有实力在这,鬼马王根本搞不了牢大,这点太加分了),第三名y喷,第四名暴飞龙,第五名耿鬼,双神战第一名裂空座,第二名Y喷,第三名暴飞龙,第四名耿鬼,第五名牢大,双神战的话牢大和跟鬼之间的差距极大,耿鬼使用率可能有15位往上走,但牢大就只有3、40以下了。你可能会有点疑惑y喷神战还能这么高评分。嘿嘿,思维定式了吧。Y喷以前神战不厉害因为什么忘了么?那都是原始回归互抢天气啊,固拉多和盖欧卡是原始回归哦,不是mega,我们说的是mega如果在朱紫里的话会怎么样。Y喷完封不带龙本的故勒顿,暴打藏指导冰马王,鬼马王在喷火龙面前也不站优势,露奈雅拉流星光束没射到也很难搞,同为天气手的固拉多不行了,盖欧卡抢不过你,毕竟你mega后手开晴天嘛。唯一怕的就是密勒顿,我认为y喷在朱紫神战里面也是非常不得了的)
龙卷云其实和z蛇不太搭,因为两个之间没什么联防价值,然后龙卷云力度就那样而且说没有盲点还真有个盲点,叫做拖拖蚯。但y喷➕z蛇是真的没有任何一只精灵能同时抵抗y喷的火本加千箭齐发的,而且火打击要比飞打击个人感觉要好点,飞行系技能最厉害的是贯穿性而不是克制。
总结下吧,z蛇单兵实力根本不强,但强就强在gen9和这个规则给他的红利太tm多了。清净坠饰,你老虎搞不了我,太晶化,规避原本地龙那个垃圾属性。而且队友强力,能相互联防的基拉祈和盾菇掩护,老虎和猩猩经典虎猩兄弟轮转强化,还有龙卷云,喷火龙y这些互补的兄弟你的短板我帮你补,我的短板你帮我补。但是并没有对环境有什么破坏(这些村/规管/事的真的/是,看到点啥/就要banbanba/n的,好不好/玩啊/,哪天/把你/号/ban了行/不行。加/斜/杠不/能/让他/们看/懂)。反而能成为环境中一个优秀的地面系精灵,能在队伍中起到作用,也会为队伍造成缺陷。起到塑造出一个更好的环境的效果。
i attempted to translate this to share this user's great ideas with the non-chinese-speaking community. not sure how many of those there are, but you can be the judge of that
zygarde has a fantastic teammate in nddou. what is zygarde scared of? special attackers. look, landorus takes out half its hp with a single earth power. and then there's fini. fini even more so. you spend half your day coiling and then when you use thousand arrows it does nothing to fini. tapu fini calm minds a couple of times and kills you in seconds, while you're still coiling and dding. tapu fini's usage rate is bafflingly low, does everyone not know how to play? very stupid! okay, is there a pokemon that has defensive synergy with zygarde, can set speed control for zygarde, and can get ground/fire offensive coverage with it -- what you can't tarrows i burn, and what i can't burn you tarrows? zard y. charizard y and zygarde's synergy, even if it isn't perfect, is very good. zard y sets tailwind, letting zygarde better use coil to buff itself, zard y can burn all those grass/bug-types that can't be tarrowed to death, and zard y can help provide defensive synergy against fairy types. most importantly, the fini and landorus that zygarde's scared of can be dealt with by zard y -- landorus completely can't touch zard y, and tapu fini without any calm minds dies to a solar beam. also, those things like flutter mane, chien-pao, and sash marshadow (this is just an anti-setup tech. it completely lack the the breaking power of the LO marsh from marsh/pao cores, if you don't carry an anti-marsh/pao thing like fini/incin then marsh/pao can run through your team!) all don't match up well into zard y. i can only say, a sun team can go without walking wake, even without flutter mane and raging bolt, but it has to have zygarde! (by the way, i'll list my top 5 megas if megas were legal in regular sv dou: first is zard y, next is gengar, third is metagross, fourth is salamence, fifth is mawile, what a shame kang doesn't have power-up punch, otherwise it would be fifth. in a single-restricted format first is rayquaza, second is kang (even without power-up punch i still think it's strong here, and calyrex-shadow can't damage it at all, which is a big plus point), third is zard y, fourth is salamence, fifth is gengar. in a double-restricted format first is rayquaza, second is zard y, third is salamence, fourth is gengar, and fifth is kang, but in a double-restricted format the gap between gengar and kang is really big, gengar might be a top 15 usage pokemon, whereas kang would be around top 30-40 or lower. you might be a bit confused about zard y being so highly rated even in a restricted format, hehe, my mind is made up. have you forgotten why zard y wasn't good in previous restricted formats? because the primals kept stealing its weather. but groudon and kyogre are primal reversions, not megas, and we're talking about what would happen if megas were legal in sv. zard y completely walls koraidon without dragon coverage and blows up calyrex-ice. calyrex-shadow doesn't have a great matchup against it, and lunala also has trouble dealing with it if it can't use meteor beam into it. fellow weather-setter groudon is useless, and kyogre can't get the upper hand on you, since you reset the weather by mega evolving. the only thing you need to be afraid of is miraidon, so i think zard y would be really good in an sv restricted format.)
tbh, tornadus and zygarde don't quite go together, because there's no defensive synergy between the two, and tornadus's power is just like that, also even if you say there's no blind spots [in their paired offensive coverage] there's a blind spot, it's called orthworm. but there really is no pokemon that can resist the fire move and thousand arrows combo from zard y + zygarde, and personally fire moves feel better than flying moves anyway. flying moves are better for hyper-offensive builds rather than control.
to sum up, zygarde on its own is fundamentally not strong, it's only strong because gen 9 and this ruleset gave it too many fucking bonuses. with clear amulet, your incin can't touch me, and terastallization lets you dodge zygarde's trash base typing. the teammates are strong too, like jirachi and amoong that give good defensive coverage and help to protect it, and the classic incin/rilla cycling, and stuff like tornadus and zard y with which it can cover each other's weaknesses. but this isn't bad/broken in the landscape at all (these officials are really something, as soon as they see anything they just banbanban, are you having fun? how about one day i ban your account too? i added slashes to prevent them from understanding this.*) instead, it's just a good ground-type mon: it has its role in the team, and also creates weaknesses in the team. the net result is that it has a positive effect on the format.

*translator's note: lol
 
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To be honest zygarde doesn’t seem to be a meta defining threat because of how often I use Pokémon like flutter mane and mega Mawile both can OHKO zygarde so Don’t ban
 
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