complete legitimacy
is it cold in the water?
good
I dont think that Stall will be rise after Shuckle ban (also stall is viable rn); since Stall does usually well against Sticky Web teams or at least Shuckle is pretty useless against defensive teams since you're playing with 5 mons pretty much, Shuckle only loses momentum against a stall team for Wish/Defog etc so in any case with any other offensive mon over Shuckle should work better against Stall teams, since this defensive teams are already slows so Sticky Web is pretty useless usually although stall teams have weakness against certain threats in stall teams but Shuckle is more about deadweight.The thing with Leavanny is that unlike Shuckle it doesn't guarantee sticky web, doesn't have stealth rock and most importantly, can't set them up consistently throughout the match and instead only sets SW once (assuming not taunted), goes down to sash and then it's as good as death fodder. Ariados has the same issue. They both don't have Shuckle's bulk, consistency, or utility.
Either way, we'll see how things go after Shuckle is (hopefully) banned. I expect stall will be on the rise, but who knows.
Ah alright, sorry i completely forgot about that :xMolk, I edited the OP to include the suspect test's B-value and a table of how many battles it takes to achieve reqs vs. the player's GXE. In the future, feel free to just copy/paste that section.
I was having such trouble with some sticky web teams that I ended up putting defog on my specs Yanmega as sort of like a last resort to get rid of webs and rocks. Ofc this is by no means a counter and I'm sure there are some good ones out there, the most notable of which would probably be trick room. Also I cant wait for this suspect test to be over and done with. I'm getting tired of seeing these cookie cutter teams every battle of Shuckle, Doublade, Braviary, Hitmonlee, Exploud, Filler. It is beginning to make the meta a little stale for me.Ah alright, sorry i completely forgot about that :x
EDIT: i'm disappointed at the level of activity in this np thread tbh, honestly this is the thread that should be the most active at the moment, especially with such an important suspect test x.x. Does anyone have any thoughts at all about the metagame? They don't even really need to be about the suspect in question, just think about current metagame trends, things you've seen more/less of, underrated threats, etc. Has anyone been using anything interesting to counter the growing number of Sticky Web teams?
Ru has higher speed tiers, though. And tbh, delphox has all the coverage that it really needs.So the Sigilyph ban has just happened in NU and right now im seeing a lot of sigi's come into RU. It used to just be the occasional Cosmic Power one which was easily delt with. Now I am seeing offensive ones, and honestly they are quite terrifying. In fact its like a slightly weaker Delphox with access to lots more coverage. It also has two things over delphox, being Magic Guard (immunity to rocks and life orb) and flying type (immunity to sticky web). The first couple of matches i played against it I didnt give it the respect it deserved and it gave me a lot of trouble. I think Sigi will fit in quite nicely however, seeing as there are some pretty good fast electric types like Jolteon to provide good checks. If you haven't tried out offensive Sigilyph yet I would recommend giving it a whirl.
It can take a Shadow Sneak from Doublade (though it does a lot 72.09% - 84.5%) and kill with Heat Wave, but yeah, I see your point. LO Sigilyph is something I've had my eyes on for a while and always wanted to use, but never really did. It shouldn't really set up against Hitmonlee though, no reason not to go for Psychic/Psyshock, thats just an unnecessarily risky play lol.Ru has higher speed tiers, though. And tbh, delphox has all the coverage that it really needs.
I'd say that sigi has a niche in the sticky meta because it's immune to sr and webs, but it doesn't like quite a few web threats (ie. doublade), and it can only find setup opportunity through scary predicts (trying to force out lee and hoping it doesn't just knock off. even then doublade stops any sweeping)
Sigilyph gets access to heat wave and if Doublade is your switch in, it will get hit hard by that and be easily 2hko'd. Also you dont need to set up, the 4 coverage moves, or the 3 coverage move with roost sigi sets work just fine. Even without webs sigi still has enough speed to outpace some very scary mid tier threats.Ru has higher speed tiers, though. And tbh, delphox has all the coverage that it really needs.
I'd say that sigi has a niche in the sticky meta because it's immune to sr and webs, but it doesn't like quite a few web threats (ie. doublade), and it can only find setup opportunity through scary predicts (trying to force out lee and hoping it doesn't just knock off. even then doublade stops any sweeping)
It seems like a bit more trouble than it's worth
Ah. I was thinking of Kadabra. Heat wave is good.Sigilyph gets access to heat wave and if Doublade is your switch in, it will get hit hard by that and be easily 2hko'd. Also you dont need to set up, the 4 coverage moves, or the 3 coverage move with roost sigi sets work just fine. Even without webs sigi still has enough speed to outpace some very scary mid tier threats.
dark pulse, dazzling gleam, energy ball, heat wave, ice beam, psychic, psychock, shadow ball, signal beam is pretty much the coverage that sigi has access to. The only thing i wish it got was thunderbolt, but you can make do with the other ones.Ah. I was thinking of Kadabra. Heat wave is good.
you can also be a real innovator like me and pair Zoroark with Gothorita who easily traps walls who can take a +2 hit. Amoonguss, Aromatisse, Alomomola,etc. are easily dispatched by Gothorita paving the way for a Zoroark sweep. Gothorita is also awesome against stall B)ok just wanted to say that sd zoroark is phenomenal in this meta. With all the shuckle teams on ladder i decided to utilize a strong priority core(zoro and lee) and so far its been working out p well. zoro also works well when disguised as lee cuz of how common doublade is and how easy it is to get a sd up when facing it
some calcs:
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Doublade: 330-393 (102.4 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Hitmonlee: 242-286 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Braviary: 372-438 (109 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
so yeah every1 should try out sd zoro cuz ohkoing hitmonlee is too much fun
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helloyou can also be a real innovator like me