Got any other pokes besides Calm Mind Raikou?
NP Azelf ... if you stay in to use the status move, you risk dying at once to Fire Blast. Same applies to many setup Pokemon, such as Kingdra (are you going to Taunt it when it could use Waterfall predicting your Taunt for big damage?) or Mismagius (the same, but with Shadow Ball).
SubCM Raikou will always beat Froslass. There aren't that many Pokemon that can do the same - you need to outspeed Froslass + have Sub before you guarantee you win - but there are plenty of Pokemon that put it in a tight spot and can penalize Froslass with death if it Taunts as they attack. Deoxys-D is the same, except it's easier, because it's only ever going to attack with Seismic Toss that does consistent damage, cannot crit, etc.
That actually provides support that something is wrong with spikes.People really have run foresight for their rapid spinner. and even spinning one time doesnt stop spikes from having a second round. without reliable recovery, taking hits, and switching into spikes..blastoises and hitmontop survivability is serverly screwed because you want it to do so much and to keep on doing it throughout the match?
Froslass and Qwilfish doesn't have reliable recovery either, while Deoxys-D is easily set-up on. I'll also recount a conversation I witnessed on IRC with a certain senate member who I'll not name. We were discussing Deoxys-D. Conversation went something like:
#: Deoxys-D cannot be OHKOed by anything
#: Except by something like Escavalier
-: But you can't stop Blastoise spinning on it
#: Yeah but Blastoise does nothing to DeoD
#: I can attack and wear Blastoise down Blastoise doesn't have reliable recovery
-: Then I spin and switch out
#: Then I put Spikes back down
#: Blastoise doesn't have reliable recovery it cannot switch back into hazards
-: But then you only have one layer of hazards and have to switch out
#: What
#: Deoxys-D is so difficult to OHKO
#: Why am I forced out
-: Because Deoxys-D poses no offensive threat
-: So I bring in something that sets up on Deo-D and you have to switch out
-: Like Venomoth
#: You can Taunt Venomoth
#: I've seen max speed DeoD around
-: You still have to switch out with one layer
-: And what if you lose the speed tie?
#: Yeah but Venomoth is rather OP
#: I've played so many games where I just sat there and Quiver Danced and passed to Nidoking and won
No offense to Jabba, but this was when I decided I'd forfeit to j7r every time I saw him on ladder.
I'm all for banning Spikes, not to mention Stealth Rock - I nominated both after all last gen - but not for the reasons given so far.
Incidentally whatever happened to Pursuit trapping Froslass?
@shrang, people have complained about hazards in Ubers. I know I complained about Ferrothorn at some point. People did just learn to cope with it, though. Personally I feel it's a little strange the same did not happen in UU. After all, since day 1, UU has always been a Spikes metagame with so many good Spikers in the tier.