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Yeah its uncommon, but I always preferred Rest to Substitute on Raikou, in fact after testing many different sets in early UU it eventually became the first move I put on all of my Raikous, after Thunderbolt of course. This included CM, but also Dual Screen and Roar sets. I might actually try it out again sometime soon, as it is far from unviable as an option even now.
as weird as it may sound, Alakazam might wind up on a stall team just for its really fast Encore and variety of support moves
I still think Jumpluff is more useful, as the lower speed is compensated by the typing that does not make it weak to pursuit, gives it some key resistances. Puff also has access to sleep powder and leech seed that is sure to drive people crazy when you pair that with Encore.
Alright so I have been really not enjoying this metagame so far for many reasons.
1) Unstability. A battle will often end with 1 little think of hax or misplay.
2) Very hax oriented. If I had a nickle for every time I was in a speed tie with a base 80 Pokemon I'd be rich as hell.
3) Froslass. Froslass creates the shittiest lead metagame possible. You NEED to prepare for it otherwise you get fucked. If you prepare for it, you do shitty against most other things. Lame imo.
This metagame is really not "my thing" even though I usually like hyperoffensive metagames.
Anyway, there are a couple Pokemon who jump out in this metagame, expected or not.
Gallade: Holy shit. This is probably the most broken Pokemon that's existed in any metagame, besides maybe...nope, nothing. Gallade can OHKO stupid amounts of the metagame, it runs right through stall, has perfect coverage with Shadow Sneak and Close Combat, while carrying a coverage move to deal with anything else (I prefer Stone Edge). On top of this its awesome SpD makes it really really easy to set up. Literrally, setting up DS and sending Gallade in will win you a match quite easily. Spiritomb doesn't really bother me at all when I use Gallade, it's too easy to set up against.
Rhyperior: Monster. It sets up Stealth Rock reliably, OHKOes a ton of shit, and counters non-HP Grass/Water Raikou. Rock Blast covers shit like Jumpluff with ease. Being able to be survive a close combat from Gallade, is barely even 3HKOed by Honchkrows superpower makes it a great check to any physical attacker. Did I mention its 416 Atk? In the sand storm, SubPerior is an absolute beast. It can survive Milotics Surf and 2HKO it. Is it broken? I don't know. It might be worth making a suspect, but it is in now where anywhere near Gallade, Froslass, and Raikou.
Froslass: Just ban this already ffs. Auto Spikes + metagame with Spiritomb Missy and Rotom = fail. The only non-specialized lead that can "do something" vs Froslass is Ambipom, and really, Ambipom shouldn't be the only lead you can use without specializing for Froslass. Either use a Anti-Froslass lead, or lose. Pick one.
Blaziken: Choice Band Blaziken is a huge threat to this metagame. This is mostly due to Spiritomb's increase in usage. Blaziken can come on any of its attacks (great with Gallade or Froslass), and send in stupidly powerful Flare Blitzes. Milotic you say? HAH! Superpower 2HKOes 100% of the time with Stealth Rock and a Jolly nature.
Venasaur: Yea, it's not Roserade, but it'll do. It actually makes a pretty decent Life Orbed physical Attacker. Hitting with crazy powerful Power Whips, Earthquakes, and not to mention it has the staples such as Sleep Powder and Synthesis.
Raikou: Also quite obviously broken. With free Spikes, the Lack of Shaymin, and the likes of pursuiters, Raikou is as dangerous as ever. While the 'Omg Dugtrio' argument is pretty crappy, it does help balance Raikou out a bit....or it would have....It would have if it didn't actually help Raikou more than hinder it. Dugtrio easily gets Registeel and Chansey out of the way. Without these Pokemon around...you know what happens.
Jumpluff: Surprisingly good with Encore and SubSeed. Luckily roserade's gone, and most Venasaurs are Physical now and can't break its sub.
The only 'new' Pokemon I don't find broken are Alakhazam and Umbreon. Umbreon was never even remotely broken. Alakhazam won't even have time to be 'good' while Gallade is here OHKOing it with a merely Life Orb boosted Shadow Sneak. It's much to priority weak.
1) Unstability. A battle will often end with 1 little think of hax or misplay.
2) Very hax oriented. If I had a nickle for every time I was in a speed tie with a base 80 Pokemon I'd be rich as hell.
3) Froslass. Froslass creates the shittiest lead metagame possible. You NEED to prepare for it otherwise you get fucked. If you prepare for it, you do shitty against most other things. Lame imo.
This metagame is really not "my thing" even though I usually like hyperoffensive metagames.
Anyway, there are a couple Pokemon who jump out in this metagame, expected or not.
Gallade: Holy shit. This is probably the most broken Pokemon that's existed in any metagame, besides maybe...nope, nothing. Gallade can OHKO stupid amounts of the metagame, it runs right through stall, has perfect coverage with Shadow Sneak and Close Combat, while carrying a coverage move to deal with anything else (I prefer Stone Edge). On top of this its awesome SpD makes it really really easy to set up. Literrally, setting up DS and sending Gallade in will win you a match quite easily. Spiritomb doesn't really bother me at all when I use Gallade, it's too easy to set up against.
Rhyperior: Monster. It sets up Stealth Rock reliably, OHKOes a ton of shit, and counters non-HP Grass/Water Raikou. Rock Blast covers shit like Jumpluff with ease. Being able to be survive a close combat from Gallade, is barely even 3HKOed by Honchkrows superpower makes it a great check to any physical attacker. Did I mention its 416 Atk? In the sand storm, SubPerior is an absolute beast. It can survive Milotics Surf and 2HKO it. Is it broken? I don't know. It might be worth making a suspect, but it is in now where anywhere near Gallade, Froslass, and Raikou.
Froslass: Just ban this already ffs. Auto Spikes + metagame with Spiritomb Missy and Rotom = fail. The only non-specialized lead that can "do something" vs Froslass is Ambipom, and really, Ambipom shouldn't be the only lead you can use without specializing for Froslass. Either use a Anti-Froslass lead, or lose. Pick one.
Blaziken: Choice Band Blaziken is a huge threat to this metagame. This is mostly due to Spiritomb's increase in usage. Blaziken can come on any of its attacks (great with Gallade or Froslass), and send in stupidly powerful Flare Blitzes. Milotic you say? HAH! Superpower 2HKOes 100% of the time with Stealth Rock and a Jolly nature.
Venasaur: Yea, it's not Roserade, but it'll do. It actually makes a pretty decent Life Orbed physical Attacker. Hitting with crazy powerful Power Whips, Earthquakes, and not to mention it has the staples such as Sleep Powder and Synthesis.
Raikou: Also quite obviously broken. With free Spikes, the Lack of Shaymin, and the likes of pursuiters, Raikou is as dangerous as ever. While the 'Omg Dugtrio' argument is pretty crappy, it does help balance Raikou out a bit....or it would have....It would have if it didn't actually help Raikou more than hinder it. Dugtrio easily gets Registeel and Chansey out of the way. Without these Pokemon around...you know what happens.
Jumpluff: Surprisingly good with Encore and SubSeed. Luckily roserade's gone, and most Venasaurs are Physical now and can't break its sub.
The only 'new' Pokemon I don't find broken are Alakhazam and Umbreon. Umbreon was never even remotely broken. Alakhazam won't even have time to be 'good' while Gallade is here OHKOing it with a merely Life Orb boosted Shadow Sneak. It's much to priority weak.
but it doesn't outrun raikou, which is a pretty useful talent
and alakazam could have a pretty annoying set with:
Encore
Substitute
Toxic/Twave/Knock Off/Other (interesting stuff in Guard Swap, Snatch and Psych Up combined with Encore)
Attack
EDIT: due to heysups post
Froslass - Lead Ambipom beats it, but it's not like that wasn't already the most popular lead by far, the Floatzel I've been using works great too (and does well against most other leads)
Gallade - Easy to revenge KO, counters are available
Raikou - Alakazam and Venusaur both completely shut down Raikou. Encore Zam or any bulky venusaur with roar will remove any and all raikou problems
Venusaur - its not supposed to be roserade, try running a bulky set with roar and synthesis, it more than makes due.
I actually really like this metagame, the lack of Milotic everywhere makes things very interesting, and Pinsir really found a great niche with all the bug weakness running around (I've swept teams with X-scissor since everything's Psychic, Dark or frail. EQ, Close Combat and Rock Slide cover everything else
and alakazam could have a pretty annoying set with:
Encore
Substitute
Toxic/Twave/Knock Off/Other (interesting stuff in Guard Swap, Snatch and Psych Up combined with Encore)
Attack
EDIT: due to heysups post
Froslass - Lead Ambipom beats it, but it's not like that wasn't already the most popular lead by far, the Floatzel I've been using works great too (and does well against most other leads)
Gallade - Easy to revenge KO, counters are available
Raikou - Alakazam and Venusaur both completely shut down Raikou. Encore Zam or any bulky venusaur with roar will remove any and all raikou problems
Venusaur - its not supposed to be roserade, try running a bulky set with roar and synthesis, it more than makes due.
I actually really like this metagame, the lack of Milotic everywhere makes things very interesting, and Pinsir really found a great niche with all the bug weakness running around (I've swept teams with X-scissor since everything's Psychic, Dark or frail. EQ, Close Combat and Rock Slide cover everything else
What are you on??? lol I see a Milotic at least every other match. (Heck, I use one. :P)
It's always gonna be a top pokemon, Raikou or not.
I mentioned that already. People shouldn't be forced to use Ambipom or specialized Anti-Froslass leads (like the one you suggest) in order to hamper Froslass' ability to fulfill the support characteristic.
Easy...how? What counters? I count two: Spritomb and Slowbro (who fails after a Leaf Blade crit).
Shutting it down early game isn't the issue. The fact that it can rip apart any team late game is what makes it the monster that it is.
I don't want a phazer, I need a powerful attacker that OHKOes Donphan. Roserade is and always will be better than Venusaur, but Venusaur is still good I'll admit.
And...Milotic is everywhere.
LO Kangaskhan is a nice "check" for most new additions in UU.
Gallade: outspeeded and OHKOed by Return with SR up.
Raikou: can survive a +1 Thunderbolt even with SR damage and with no defensive evs and OHKO with Earthquake.
Rhyperior:Aqua Tail hammers it hard. Earthquake won't OHKO Kanga.
Alakazam: Sucker Punch. Without Sub he's gone. With Substitute it's a matter of prediction.
Froslass: Sucker Punch again. And it can hit with Return thanks to Scrappy, so Froslass isn't safe to switch in.
The only one it has problems with is Umbreon because of the insanely good defenses it has.
Gallade: outspeeded and OHKOed by Return with SR up.
Raikou: can survive a +1 Thunderbolt even with SR damage and with no defensive evs and OHKO with Earthquake.
Rhyperior:Aqua Tail hammers it hard. Earthquake won't OHKO Kanga.
Alakazam: Sucker Punch. Without Sub he's gone. With Substitute it's a matter of prediction.
Froslass: Sucker Punch again. And it can hit with Return thanks to Scrappy, so Froslass isn't safe to switch in.
The only one it has problems with is Umbreon because of the insanely good defenses it has.
Heysup, I guess Spiritomb, beating Ambipom, Froslass, and Alakazam, all of which seem common (particularly the first two, although we'll see when October stats come out and the meta is somewhat stable), isn't a good lead? Spiritomb is what I would call an "anti-metagame" Pokemon right now, as it is a reliable Gallade counter, can beat most leads nicely, and beats things like Alakazam, NP Missy, etc.
I also laugh that you think DP UU Gallade is more broken than RBY Ubers Mewtwo, where one of the best ways to deal with it was freezehax.
EDIT: Nice job inventing the Gallade set with Spiritomb as the only counter, it only takes at least 5 moves to do it (Close Combat, Shadow Sneak, Leaf Blade, Psycho Cut, and Swords Dance. Even then, Moltres does decent as it can survive a +2 Sneak and SR, so I guess you have to throw Stone Edge on there too to hit it on the switch.)
EDIT2: Hmm, Raikou beats things late-game? So does Empoleon in OU. I guess it is Uber then...
I also laugh that you think DP UU Gallade is more broken than RBY Ubers Mewtwo, where one of the best ways to deal with it was freezehax.
EDIT: Nice job inventing the Gallade set with Spiritomb as the only counter, it only takes at least 5 moves to do it (Close Combat, Shadow Sneak, Leaf Blade, Psycho Cut, and Swords Dance. Even then, Moltres does decent as it can survive a +2 Sneak and SR, so I guess you have to throw Stone Edge on there too to hit it on the switch.)
EDIT2: Hmm, Raikou beats things late-game? So does Empoleon in OU. I guess it is Uber then...
I really don't have much to say about this whole Raikou/Gallade thing as I haven't even tried to prepare for them and they have been doing a great job against my team, but comparing Empoleon and Raikou, 2 pokes from different metagames is a completely flawful argument. Remember that Empoleon would need Agility to sweep lategame and has only 1 chance of sweeping, but Raikou has naturally a 115 base speed and has more than 1 chance to setup CM during the game, also being possible for it to come late game and sweep thanks to its blazing speed without no setup required.
The floatzel was made before Froslass was introduced as it beat or prevented rocks on all leads aside from Yanmega and Roserade (or the rare tbolt Uxie/Mesprit, but that is uncommon, and it still prevents rocks). Beating Froslass is a cool, unintentional bonus, I just made it cause my team was SR weak and didn't need another normal type.
for revenge killers on Gallade, here's what I did, I went to the UU and NU pages and hit the button labeled "Spe" twice, everything above 80 speed was put into new tabs, I did the same with NU, then I eliminated anything with a bad Attack stat, or a ghost weakness (without considerable bulk). After that I took out everything that was just a worse version of something else (as an attacker at least)
it left me with the following lists
UU:
Swellow, Dugtrio (EV'd to survive SS), Sceptile, Ambipom, Raikou, Scyther, Miltank, Arcanine, Drapion, Moltres, Hitmonlee, Nidoking, Toxicroak.
NU:
Floatzel, Persian, Tauros, Manectric, Charizard, Dodrio, Entei, Fearow, Slaking, Leafeon, Jynx, Primape, Sharpedo, Kangaskhan, Zangoose, Pinsir, Skuntank, Magmortar
These can all reliably revenge ko Gallade with the right EVs and/or a Choice Band, but I went on to narrow it down to the ones who are still useful outside of KOing Gallade. I also eliminated NU pokemon outclassed entirely by UUs
UU:
Swellow, Dugtrio, Sceptile, Ambipom, Raikou, Scyther, Arcanine, Moltres, Hitmonlee, Nidoking
NU:
Floatzel, Tauros, Manectric, Charizard, Dodrio, Slaking, Leafeon, Primape, Sharpedo, Kangaskhan, Zangoose, Pinsir, Skuntank.
quite a few revenge killers, I decided on a Scarfed Pinsir as it let me revenge KO a lot more and acted as a late game sweeper, but you'd likely make most of those work (they're sorted by speed btw)
for raikou, I'm running a venusaur that can always come in and counter it, short of it having +3 +3 or more, it can roar it out early game and eq it late game, and heal off any damage in between. The Pinsir I keep talking about also can revenge ko it with scarfed EQs, and my zam outspeeds it and usually wins late game
Roserade is better as an offensive pokemon, but a defensive venusaur is a royal pain in the ass to get rid of.
sigh..I never said anything about it being a bad lead. I said:
Heysup said:
Spiritomb falls under that catagory....but it is sort of an exception because it has other functions.
Avoid putting words in my mouth.
zorbees said:
haha right? I was referring to any 'current' (4th gen) metagame...
zorbees said:
Putting words into my mouth again I see. I didn't say anything about any 5 move set. I said Gallade can run an SD/Close Combat/SSneak/Coverage move set and rape. I said I prefer Stone Edge (or Leaf Blade works too). Pointless post so far.
You obviously don't understand how Raikou works if you're comparing it to Empoleon. Raikou can set up an unstoppable sweep, as long as the 'surefire' counter (Chansey) has been removed. When you send Raikou in on something like Milotic mid-late game when this has happened, you more often than not win just like that. Empoleon has way more checks and counters, not to mention it has to lower its HP to 25%, can't get to more than +1, etc. SubCM vs SubPeteya. If Empoleon could survive any amount of Special Attacks while it Subbed, maybe it would be getting somewhere....
It's the "sweeps the metagame with little effort" part that makes Raikou broken and Empoleon not.
For starters Froslass was popular since the beginning of UU. Secondly, it's practically useless against all other leads except the slow SR ones, which frankly are not viable with Froslass in the metagame.
Lots of those don't reliably revenge kill Gallade actually. I bolded the ones that don't. Also, with Spikes, a few of those don't even survive an SSneak.
ambipom does 86% min with return o_O
I've only tested Scyther, Arcanine, Moltres, Nidoking Tauros, Slaking, Sharpedo and Pinsir, so I wasn't entirely sure., though i did calculate the damage off SR + 1 round of LO recoil. still, 18 out of 23 of them do revenge ko, which is still a lot.
Also, the Floatzel lead beats most common leads actually, of last months common leads, the two that beat it outright were booted out of the tier, you still beat Moltres, Arcanine, Honchkrow and the pixies (assuming they don't pack tbolt), as well as hippopotas (heh). Electrode can't RD outright as you beat him if he does, meaning he has to rely on thunder accuracy, and Ambipom depends on a speed tie/the variant (you always beat adamant ones barring a crit)
Also, the Floatzel lead beats most common leads actually, of last months common leads, the two that beat it outright were booted out of the tier, you still beat Moltres, Arcanine, Honchkrow and the pixies (assuming they don't pack tbolt), as well as hippopotas (heh). Electrode can't RD outright as you beat him if he does, meaning he has to rely on thunder accuracy, and Ambipom depends on a speed tie/the variant (you always beat adamant ones barring a crit)
You are greatly exaggerating things here.
1) It's always been like that, at least in good matches.
2) Teams should be built to avoid that, I know mine is.
3) Read every other post I've made in this thread. Froslass is a good lead but nowhere near broken.
Gallade: Easy to revenge kill from anything that can survive an un-STAB 40 base power move. Not to mention a load of faster normals (Kangashkan and Swellow most notably) that are immune to it's priority. Can also be revenged at lower health (and walled) by Spiritomb or Dusclops carrying Shadow Sneak and Will-o-Wisp.
Rhyperior: I must admit my team has an achilles heel in Ryhperior due to my forgoance of the obligatory bulky water, but without Sandstorm support, bulky waters pose too much of a thread, Milotic isn't even 2HKO'd by EQ unless he's at +2 and he can't even survive a surf at 75% (after sub) with a Passho Berry outside of Sandstorm. Add do that bulky Venusaur and (I didn't believe this till it happened) SD/Encore Jumpluff that can both OHKO it (+2 Seed Bomb from Jumpluff OHKO'd a 252/252 Rhyperior <_<) and the latter can encore Sub/RP/SD and render it useless.
Froslass: Pursuit/Shadow Sneak/any decently powerful attack...I analyzed the crap outta this earlier, scroll up.
Blaziken: SD Blaziken is an even bigger threat than the bander due to its versitility. Come in on a Taunted Registeel or similar, SD up then OHKO Milotic with SR damage and proceed to sweep.
Venusaur: I have not seen a non-subseed Venusaur since the new additions, but theoretically the addition of Power Whip makes it a great physical attacker.
Raikou: TBH, it really doesn't set up on much. A Registeel packing earthquake will send it packing as will Venusaur if it has HP Grass and Quagsire if it has HP Ice. Add to that fast encores in the form of Zam and Pluff and you have decent enough options to counter it.
Jumpluff: covered it in other descriptions.
Umbreon has always been utterly terrible. Anything with Taunt or Encore makes it completley useless and anything with a setup sweeper or powerful Fighting type will destroy it. Zam is amazing if used correctly, but it requires lots of team support and prediction...the lack of Thunderbolt really hurts it against Krow and Gallade is a major check to it with high SpD and a SE Priority attack hitting its pathetic phys def. Although, min/min Gallade is 2HKO'd by Psychic.
I'll add that Spiritomb is beginning to be everywhere as a check to nearly all the new additions. People STILL keep running Sucker Punch on him, though, which is stupid because it's too easy to play around. Take the power hit and use Shadow Sneak/Pursuit if you're going dual attack (WoW and Pain Split or Rest/Sleep Talk being the other 2), you won't regret it.
Also, support Rhyperior is a beast. SR/Rock Blast/EQ/Ice Punch is great coverage and can beat most things that try to set up on it.
Eh...fine I'll bite.
I wish I was :(.
Not to the same degree obviously. Like, your Venusaur's Sleep Powder didn't cost you the game vs some set up Pokemon, cause every other Pokemon can be revenge killed while many of the new ones can't (read: Gallade).
You missed my point; there are so many Pokemon at base 80 Speed that you 'need' to use. This also is a follow up to 1), meaning stuff like this = GG.
That wasn't the point there. Even if somehow Froslass wasn't broken, it still makes the lead metagame shitty. It's limited to Froslass or Anti-Froslass.
Incorrect. Gallade can only be revenge killed by things that can survive a Life Orb boosted Swords Danced un-STAB 40 BP move, that are also faster or can take a hit from Gallade, that can also KO Gallade. Boom, there goes 99% of the metagame. Spiritomb is a good check, I get it, but that's one Pokemon. Not to mention, it's an iffy check especially if it's that 176 Atk Spread.
That's part of my point. You analyzed the crap out of it, and still proved nothing. Are you still trying to tell me that Froslass, unless terribly misplayed, will fail to at least KO your opponent's lead assuming they a) aren't Froslass, and b) are a reaslistic lead (Like don't tell me Scarf Onix because of Rock Blast)? While it may not always get 3 layers of spikes up, it usually (even against good players), will get 1-2 layers + a DBond KO.
This is against Anti-Froslass leads. Anti Froslass leads don't even 100% counter Froslass.
Again, incorrect. The Choice Bander is more threatening because it poses an immediate threat. Swords Dance Blaziken doesn't. This means CB Ken can come in, 1v1 Pokemon like Raikou, Gallade, Milotic, and etc, while SD Ken needs to find time to set up before it's able to do any thing really. However SD is still good.
I actually really like this set I came up with:
Venusaur (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Sleep Powder
- Power Whip
- Synthesis
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Natural Bulk + Sleep Powder lets it heal itself quite often (DS helps), while Power Whip does monstrous damage. Jolly = needed for a base 80 tbh.
Firstly, Dugtrio. Second, Pursuit. These Pokemon are really easily removed, and Raikou is unstoppable if you don't carry one of these Pokemon...and the Raikou has the incorrect/correct (depends how you look at it) Hidden Power.
I'm off to bed.
I wish I was :(.
Not to the same degree obviously. Like, your Venusaur's Sleep Powder didn't cost you the game vs some set up Pokemon, cause every other Pokemon can be revenge killed while many of the new ones can't (read: Gallade).
You missed my point; there are so many Pokemon at base 80 Speed that you 'need' to use. This also is a follow up to 1), meaning stuff like this = GG.
That wasn't the point there. Even if somehow Froslass wasn't broken, it still makes the lead metagame shitty. It's limited to Froslass or Anti-Froslass.
Incorrect. Gallade can only be revenge killed by things that can survive a Life Orb boosted Swords Danced un-STAB 40 BP move, that are also faster or can take a hit from Gallade, that can also KO Gallade. Boom, there goes 99% of the metagame. Spiritomb is a good check, I get it, but that's one Pokemon. Not to mention, it's an iffy check especially if it's that 176 Atk Spread.
Bulky Waters and Venusaur are far from threatening. Actually Milotic is set up bait for the top 2 set-up sweepers in the tier atm. It works great as a Honchkrow, Gallade, non-4x SE HP Raikou, and basically any physical attacker check.
That's part of my point. You analyzed the crap out of it, and still proved nothing. Are you still trying to tell me that Froslass, unless terribly misplayed, will fail to at least KO your opponent's lead assuming they a) aren't Froslass, and b) are a reaslistic lead (Like don't tell me Scarf Onix because of Rock Blast)? While it may not always get 3 layers of spikes up, it usually (even against good players), will get 1-2 layers + a DBond KO.
This is against Anti-Froslass leads. Anti Froslass leads don't even 100% counter Froslass.
Again, incorrect. The Choice Bander is more threatening because it poses an immediate threat. Swords Dance Blaziken doesn't. This means CB Ken can come in, 1v1 Pokemon like Raikou, Gallade, Milotic, and etc, while SD Ken needs to find time to set up before it's able to do any thing really. However SD is still good.
I actually really like this set I came up with:
Venusaur (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Sleep Powder
- Power Whip
- Synthesis
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Natural Bulk + Sleep Powder lets it heal itself quite often (DS helps), while Power Whip does monstrous damage. Jolly = needed for a base 80 tbh.
d2m said:
Firstly, Dugtrio. Second, Pursuit. These Pokemon are really easily removed, and Raikou is unstoppable if you don't carry one of these Pokemon...and the Raikou has the incorrect/correct (depends how you look at it) Hidden Power.
I'm off to bed.
I used that set when power whip was first announced, he can do better than that. also, duggy doesn't really remove bulky venusaur, neither does pursuit.
and raikou is not unstoppable unless you give it a sub and a few CMs (even then, priority break the sub and you can revenge ko it with a scarfer), but most pokemon are pretty hard to stop if you give them several turns to set up. Venusaur, Steelix, Lickitung, Registeel and a few others can come in on one of the two turns it needs to set up (minimum) and either roar it out or eq it till it switches/dies, he also loses to encore zam, since he needs to set up two different encorable things, and sub-less versions lose to most scarfers and priority users. Its good, not unstoppable though
I asume it got voted bl by a margin of 66.67%+1
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