Gen 1 Number 1 on the ladder laxless + tauroless team!!!

Alakazam: psychic / seismic toss / recover / thunderwave

Chansey: seismic toss / ice beam / soft-boil / thunderwave

Exeggutor: psychic / mega drain / rest / sleep powder

Cloyster: ice beam / clamp / rest / explosion

Rhydon: earth quake / body slam / rest / substitute

Kangaskhan/Jynx: earth quake / body slam / counter / hyper beam
ice beam / psychic / lovely kiss / rest

I finally did it! I got number one on the ladder soloing taurosless + laxless! When I started playing tauroless + laxless I didn't know if it was possible. The only other laxless + tauroless teams I had ever seen were ones posted by peasounay and leader of the rockets in the rby discussion thread, and they were not very good, no offense! :') So I was all alone in trying to experiment and make laxless + tauroless work and I did it!! Idk what else to say except that I am happy that I have laid the foundation for anyone else who wants to try this. I hope this is the start of opening the door for anyone else who wants to try. My main hope is that someone picks up tauroless + laxless and takes it farther than I did.

Idk what to say about the team without saying far too much. I feel like I could write a vveeerrryyyy disorganized book about it P: The main thing with tauroless + laxless is getting rid of/crippling tauros and not letting chansey die while she is needed. Tauros can be intimidating, but take solace in the fact that tauros cannot come in for free and once he has been taken care of, things are far easier :) On Kang vs Jynx. I did most of the ladder climb with the Kang variation but I felt in the end that maybe jynx was more consistent. pros and cons *shrugs* . Kang will give you more hitting power, while jynx will give you more special power/easier sleeps/more special defense. The special defense is actually why I put her on the team. Specifically for chansey ice beams. I really didn't like my opponents throwing ice beams at me, so Jynx is there to come in on chansey ice beam and then lk. Ka ching!

On getting number 1 on the ladder. What I learned is that you need an account for playing consistently and another account for experimentation. Do not experiment with your main ladder-climbing account! I know that sounds obvious but it took me a while to learn :') I used "hold up big dawg" (woof woof!) as my main account and "slop ai" for my experimenting account to try new things on. ggs to all the good games everyone gave me.

That's all I have to say I guess. Thanks for reading!
 

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Just to give an update to this, after playing more I can definitely say Jynx is the better 6th slot. Still leaving Kang on here as an option just because she did give me a lot of wins <3 but the team is better with Jynx in her place so she is the official 6th pokemon :)
 
Just to give an update to this, after playing more I can definitely say Jynx is the better 6th slot. Still leaving Kang on here as an option just because she did give me a lot of wins <3 but the team is better with Jynx in her place so she is the official 6th pokemon :)
Jynx instead of Kang is also better for you calling it a Taurosless team, bc Kangaskhan is pretty much Tauros but weaker.
 
In the Jynx version are you making Jynx the lead or keeping it in the back? What's the reasoning?

Amazing achievement on getting number 1 :)
In the back. She is fast, which is a plus when everything else on the team is slow besides zam, but zam is always asleep ZZZzzzz. You'll be happy you have her when your opponent throws out Dragonite :') She takes pressure off Egg to get the sleep. She is good at spamming for freeze along with Cloyster and Chansey. She can come in on Chansey ice beams. And she hits hard on the special side. Hitting egg and grounds and lax and tauros and others pretty hard, which helps the team out. Rest on her is also nice for times when you eliminate your opponent's physical attackers, because then she becomes a great defesnive wall. Probably a lot of other positives too that I'm not thinking of right now P:
 
Jynx instead of Kang is also better for you calling it a Taurosless team, bc Kangaskhan is pretty much Tauros but weaker.
I agree! I'm so happy Jynx turned out the better choice. In Kang's defense, counter does make the opponent choose Earthquake or the special attack option over 90% of the time, so she does have her niche. It is also cool to switch her into hyper beam and then counter :)
 
Cool team! TaLmUtAnTe could never, lol.
Taurosless + Laxless structures are underexplored, which makes sense: you are problem-solving without the tier's main tools. I (and I am sure others) would be more interested in the lines having to be played in a bad matchup, and more elaboration on the choice of sets. You can't lay a foundation if players less familiar with the team structure have nothing to go off of. I would actually be very interested to see a replay with commentary, that'd be pretty interesting! :)

Also, I'm not sure why you'd want to write an RMT "without saying too much", but I was shy as a new user too. You seem like you joined recently, so let me give you some pointers that helped me:
1. Site-wide RMT guidelines: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rmt-rules-and-forum-guidelines.3647102/
2. An example of a classic RBY RMT: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/i-came-i-saw-i-conquered.3610139/
3. Screenshot uploading tips and tricks
Generally I like to upload a screenshot of myself logged in. It helps you to avoid being trolled and harassed when you share the results, because then people will just say "Anyone can take a screenshot of the ladder, you fake little fucker."
Here's an example of something I saved a long time ago (for some reason I thought this was a big deal at the time, but you get the point):
BW 2v2 Top 10 - Copy.png

Mobile UI isn't so good, here's a good example here of someone screenshotting it on a phone: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rby-ou-ladder-achievements-season-3-finally.3705566/post-11101307

Welcome to Smogon! And congrats again on the peak :0
 
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Nice.

Is the Kang purely a sandbagging Tauros replacement? Or did you try to exploit its counter advantage?

Looks like Kahn vs Tauros would be a common endgame here, have you done the math on what the winrate in a 1v1 scenario is? If I had to guess I'd say Tauros has an advantage, but I'd venture to say it's not over 60%.

Regarding other possible 6th slots, is there a specific reason why the more natural Zapdos is not slotted as a sweeper that beats tauros? Is it to avoid a boltbeam weakness?
 
Cool team! TaLmUtAnTe could never, lol.
Taurosless + Laxless structures are underexplored, which makes sense: you are problem-solving without the tier's main tools. I (and I am sure others) would be more interested in the lines having to be played in a bad matchup, and more elaboration on the choice of sets. You can't lay a foundation if players less familiar with the team structure have nothing to go off of. I would actually be very interested to see a replay with commentary, that'd be pretty interesting! :)

Also, I'm not sure why you'd want to write an RMT "without saying too much", but I was shy as a new user too. You seem like you joined recently, so let me give you some pointers that helped me:
1. Site-wide RMT guidelines: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rmt-rules-and-forum-guidelines.3647102/
2. An example of a classic RBY RMT: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/i-came-i-saw-i-conquered.3610139/
3. Screenshot uploading tips and tricks
Generally I like to upload a screenshot of myself logged in. It helps you to avoid being trolled and harassed when you share the results, because then people will just say "Anyone can take a screenshot of the ladder, you fake little fucker."
Here's an example of something I saved a long time ago (for some reason I thought this was a big deal at the time, but you get the point):

Mobile UI isn't so good, here's a good example here of someone screenshotting it on a phone: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rby-ou-ladder-achievements-season-3-finally.3705566/post-11101307

Welcome to Smogon! And congrats again on the peak :0
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2659424841-iq0grcn9a759je4nuuvekgl8qibmllypw?p2

Turn 1: With Alakazam vs Starmie, you want to go for Seismic Toss most of the time. You want to do this because you don't want to thunderwave a Chansey switch in. You don't want to do that because para chansey comes in for free on sleep and ice beam. I knew this player from playing him quite a bit, so I knew he liked going Chansey first turn, so I play ahead with a turn 1 Egg switch in to go for the sleep.

Turn 2: I get the sleep on Gengar.

Turn 3: I play safe with psychic, he switches to starmie.

Turn 4: i switch to zam, and he presses ice beam. He doesn't want to thunderwave zam because then zam becomes a sleep blocker.

Turn 5-9: He switches in Chansey and tries to freeze me. Turn 9 I throw Jynx into ice beam to lower the probability that he gets freeze and to bait out a thunderwave.

Turn 10: The bait works and I throw out my own Chansey to get thunderwaved. I now don't have to worry about getting frozen or slept.

Turn 11: I now play for freeze. I throw out ice beam. He switches to lax.

Turn 12: I switch to my Lax defense, Cloyster, to take body slam.

Turn 13: I press ice beam. He switches to starmie.

Turn 14: I press ice beam again predicting a switch back to lax or a recover. He switches back

Turn 15: I press ice beam for the third time in a row. He switches starmie into it. He can't avoid being frozen forever >:) MWahahahaha

Turn 16: I switch back to Chansey as I think I have been greedy enough. He presses recover.

Turn 17: YOU GUESSED IT. Ice beam again! But I full para. He switches to gengar.

Turn 18: I ice beam AGAIN, predicting a switch to something else. He switches Lax into it.

Turn 19: I switch to my trusty lax defense again, Cloyster, and lax explodes. There is really no thinking here. I see lax, I throw out Cloyster.

Turn 20: He switches in Tauros. Nothing I can do here but let Cloyster go. You served me well :') Cloysters number 1 job is getting rid of lax OR tauros.

Turn 21: I switch in Zam and press Psychic still not wanting to risk thunderwaving Chansey, and of course he switches in chansey.

Turn 22: Pretty basic stuff. I throw out my own Chansey. He thunderbolts, expecting my Chansey switch in and not wanting to waste his precious ice beams.

Turn 23: I ice beam and he thunderbolts again, testing the waters. Unfortunately for him I get a critical hit

Turn 24: The critical hit forces him to have to recover which gives me another free turn to launch ice beam.

Turn 25-28: He switches in gengar. I full para and then press seismic toss until he wakes up.

Turn 29: A worse player would have exploded here, and a better player would have switched to Rhydon to catch the explosion>:) That move was too obvious, and he knew it, and I knew that he knew it>:> So we stay in and... well... you know the drill! We press ice beam! But we full para :/ He switches to Egg, predicting the Rhydon switch in.

Turn 30: I am not sure what he wants to do here at all. He could psychic to test the waters, he could sleep powder expecting me to switch out, he could explode. I figure that switching to Jynx is the safest option, as everything but sleep powder I am okay to switch into. He explodes predicting my Chansey stays in.

Turn 31: Chansey vs Starmie. He thunderbolts and I recover to keep my chansey out of tauros hyper beam ko range.

Turn 32: He thunder bolts again, I press ice beam and FINALLY. All that work to up the chance of freeze finally pays off. Probability theory at its finest!!! Starmie is down for the count. BBrrrrRRRrrrr.

Turn 33: I switch to zam because there is no reason not to. He covers many options here. Including the opponent switching in Gengar which is what happens:)

Turn 34-38: The Chansey switch in is obvious, so we make a move that comes full circle back to turn 1. I predict the Chansey switch in for the second time this game, and I switch in Egg on that prediction once again. I press sleep powder and sleep the Chansey. I psychic until he rage quits by letting the timer go out. He did this everytime I beat him btw >:( NOT very nice. GGs anyway Willy. You are still a good player:)


Here are some more games against 1500+ rated players for you guys to watch if you want to:

These are Jynx variations:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2663426217-cifgm5b9dcjyaoanww900026qtycdjtpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2662847524-b91nhel9bwc453w0dcvln6fpdxbma5bpw?p2

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2659746918-48s75ld6lif8jwtdqliiijwxri4kjbrpw?p2

Here are some Kang variations:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2653414591-kfmccsd1xv56dtrff2avuwwnex5uo8gpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2654233957-drqkh9dx679lsfwuoc9shc2kru83c2wpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2656860265-nyu5hohg97j32w8yc7h82o9i11vpocopw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2655652303-4k8y0dd0ptket1iu4r8ww6dyn6vo7l4pw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2655726758-2u1al4pkmm6kuuk9rpqaced2p1qpn49pw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2655811894-311l6x7p8nxwfx7laywmgke70jovrpbpw?p2


Even though the team served me well, I still see issues with it and want to continue to improve laxless + tuaroless when I have some time, which I haven't had a lot of lately! :') But lately I have been using a new team that doesn't use sleep. Many of you have probably played me.
Tell me what you think and give any suggestions if you have any!!!

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2671565440-iqxdrwdpmcnniong7eub3hqvo1mm84kpw

And please try to make your own tauroless + laxless teams so I can steal your ideas!

Thanks for reading and thanks Prof J for your write up and advice!
 
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Nice.

Is the Kang purely a sandbagging Tauros replacement? Or did you try to exploit its counter advantage?

Looks like Kahn vs Tauros would be a common endgame here, have you done the math on what the winrate in a 1v1 scenario is? If I had to guess I'd say Tauros has an advantage, but I'd venture to say it's not over 60%.

Regarding other possible 6th slots, is there a specific reason why the more natural Zapdos is not slotted as a sweeper that beats tauros? Is it to avoid a boltbeam weakness?
I have never really thought of having Zapdos on the team honestly. It's never screamed out at me when looking through the pokemon list. On first glance I don't love it just because of Rhydon. I much more prefer to be the one making the defensive plays. I think in more defensive ways than offensive. The way I'm thinking usually is: get rid of my opponent's tauros and then look for a stall win condition. You might not be able to tell that in many games I play, because my opponent doesn't always give me that option. They rather go down swinging. But I'm always looking to put my opponent into a position where my defense is stronger than their offense. That's a long winded way of saying that using Zapdos gives my opponent defense advantages that I rather have. I love playing Rhydon against Zapdos for example. So yeah :)

With Kang? It isn't sand bagging. It was more just being a player that was trying a new team structure and not being sure how to make it work. It was more of a lazy pick. Now I'm experimenting with Clefable in that spot and liking her pretty well :) Oh, and I'm not sure about the 1v1 math but I'm pretty sure Tauros wins but idk what the percentages are :blobshrug:

Prof_J I'm relatively new to Tauroless + Laxless myself. So I'm sorry for not being able to be a full fledged expert yet :') But I will say that Zam/Cloyster/Chansey/Rhydon are the core pokes you want to start with and then experiment with the last two slots. That's a great place to start if you want to try this. My mindset also is to think more defensively. If someone out there can make a Chanseyless + Tauroless + Laxless team with all out crazy offense, whoa, that'd be crazy:X But that's definitely not how I think. I'm always thinking of my defensive advantages over my opponent, which is natural considering they have tauros and I don't.
 
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I have never really thought of having Zapdos on the team honestly. It's never screamed out at me when looking through the pokemon list. On first glance I don't love it just because of Rhydon. I much more prefer to be the one making the defensive plays. I think in more defensive ways than offensive. The way I'm thinking usually is: get rid of my opponent's tauros and then look for a stall win condition. You might not be able to tell that in many games I play, because my opponent doesn't always give me that option. They rather go down swinging. But I'm always looking to put my opponent into a position where my defense is stronger than their offense. That's a long winded way of saying that using Zapdos gives my opponent defense advantages that I rather have. I love playing Rhydon against Zapdos for example. So yeah :)

With Kang? It isn't sand bagging. It was more just being a player that was trying a new team structure and not being sure how to make it work. It was more of a lazy pick. Now I'm experimenting with Clefable in that spot and liking her pretty well :) Oh, and I'm not sure about the 1v1 math but I'm pretty sure Tauros wins but idk what the percentages are :blobshrug:

Prof_J I'm relatively new to Tauroless + Laxless myself. So I'm sorry for not being able to be a full fledged expert yet :') But I will say that Zam/Cloyster/Chansey/Rhydon are the core pokes you want to start with and then experiment with the last two slots. That's a great place to start if you want to try this. My mindset also is to think more defensively. If someone out there can make a Chanseyless + Tauroless + Laxless team with all out crazy offense, whoa, that'd be crazy:X But that's definitely not how I think. I'm always thinking of my defensive advantages over my opponent, which is natural considering they have tauros and I don't.
I think what Totomimi is getting at is that the "Taurosless" part of this team is less a new team structure and more that you're building a standard-ish CloyDon Laxless team that replaces the Tauros with a bad Tauros. It's definitely cool that you've gotten good enough to top ladder even with a handicap! But I'm not really convinced that this team's in any way better than if you just slotted Tauros in the last spot, and I'm also not sure which matchups this team does better in with Kang over Tauros. (I guess alternatively you can view the Kang as actually replacing a PhysLax, given your set)

Zam/Chans/Egg/Cloy/Don/Jynx is definitely a more unique structure, whereas the Kang version is basically "nerfed CloyDon Laxless", the Jynx version definitely doesn't look like anything else. I'm curious as to whether you have any replays with that version of the team where Jynx proves particularly useful, because the replay you described earlier has Jynx sacked to a boom without doing anything, and of the other two replays you showed with Jynx, it does nothing in two of the games and the one where it does something has the opp running Hypno and Substitute Lax.

Regardless, though, this is cool! I think it says much more about your skill as a player than it does the merit of dropping Tauros on a team meant to be good, but that's totally alright, it's cool to read your analysis :))
 
I think what Totomimi is getting at is that the "Taurosless" part of this team is less a new team structure and more that you're building a standard-ish CloyDon Laxless team that replaces the Tauros with a bad Tauros. It's definitely cool that you've gotten good enough to top ladder even with a handicap! But I'm not really convinced that this team's in any way better than if you just slotted Tauros in the last spot, and I'm also not sure which matchups this team does better in with Kang over Tauros. (I guess alternatively you can view the Kang as actually replacing a PhysLax, given your set)

Zam/Chans/Egg/Cloy/Don/Jynx is definitely a more unique structure, whereas the Kang version is basically "nerfed CloyDon Laxless", the Jynx version definitely doesn't look like anything else. I'm curious as to whether you have any replays with that version of the team where Jynx proves particularly useful, because the replay you described earlier has Jynx sacked to a boom without doing anything, and of the other two replays you showed with Jynx, it does nothing in two of the games and the one where it does something has the opp running Hypno and Substitute Lax.

Regardless, though, this is cool! I think it says much more about your skill as a player than it does the merit of dropping Tauros on a team meant to be good, but that's totally alright, it's cool to read your analysis :))
Hey! Jynx coming in on ice beam and baiting the thunderwave was huge! Watchoo talkin bout!???? Here is a game against another 1500+ player where Jynx does her job which is very simple. Catch ice beams from Chansey and sleep things (and baiting thunderwaves is also cool). That is the primary reason she is on the team. It is really nothing profound or high iq actually haha xD A secondary reason is her speed. It makes games against wrap users less stressful. Don doesn't like her. Neither does egg. And having another ice beam to spam is always nice in general.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2651271177-w5kheiwx4pklfo5m5dpw0q2pylysoonpw

But truly, that really is the primary reason for having Jynx: Chansey ice beams and then sleeping. That's the bread and butter of her. Which doesn't seem like a big deal but Chansey ice beams were hurting me quite a bit :blobpensive: I can't throw in a lax on ice beam to threaten body slam. I can throw in Cloyster on ice beams, but that is so risky considering that Chansey usually has thunderbolt as well and plus Cloyster wants to be saved for lax and tauros. I actually think instead of showing you a game of her doing what she should do, it would be more insightful to see a game where my opponent's Chansey froze my zam, or even worse, my Chansey, and then you'd see that it was really strong against the team prior to Jynx being on the team. There were plenty of games where I lost that way with the Kang variation. Turn 1: Alakazam vs Alakzam, they switch to egg, i seismic toss. Turn 2: I thunderwave, they sleep me. Turn 3: I switch to Chansey, and they go Tauros. Turn 4: I ice beam predicting a switch, they switch Chansey into the ice beam. And now this is an awkward position to be in without Jynx as you can see. What do I do from here without Jynx? Every move from this position is awkward. When your best move from a common position is Egg into ice beam, that's not so good. And this position is why Jynx is on the team. Jynx lets me make good moves from here.

I agree with you about Kang. I see the Kang variation as like a transition period where I was still easing off the normal structures. It was like a training wheels variation to tauroless + laxless and then the Jynx variation was me going all the way :blobuwu:
 
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Hey! Jynx coming in on ice beam and baiting the thunderwave was huge! Watchoo talkin bout!???? Here is a game against another 1500+ player where Jynx does her job which is very simple. Catch ice beams from Chansey and sleep things (and baiting thunderwaves is also cool). That is the primary reason she is on the team. It is really nothing profound or high iq actually haha xD A secondary reason is her speed. It makes games against wrap users less stressful. Don doesn't like her. Neither does egg. And having another ice beam to spam is always nice in general.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen1ou-2651271177-w5kheiwx4pklfo5m5dpw0q2pylysoonpw

But truly, that really is the primary reason for having Jynx: Chansey ice beams and then sleeping. That's the bread and butter of her. Which doesn't seem like a big deal but Chansey ice beams were hurting me quite a bit :blobpensive: I can't throw in a lax on ice beam to threaten body slam. I can throw in Cloyster on ice beams, but that is so risky considering that Chansey usually has thunderbolt as well and plus Cloyster wants to be saved for lax and tauros. I actually think instead of showing you a game of her doing what she should do, it would be more insightful to see a game where my opponent's Chansey froze my zam, or even worse, my Chansey, and then you'd see that it was really strong against the team prior to Jynx being on the team. There were plenty of games where I lost that way with the Kang variation. Turn 1: Alakazam vs Alakzam, they switch to egg, i seismic toss. Turn 2: I thunderwave, they sleep me. Turn 3: I switch to Chansey, and they go Tauros. Turn 4: I ice beam predicting a switch, they switch Chansey into the ice beam. And now this is an awkward position to be in without Jynx as you can see. What do I do from here without Jynx? Every move from this position is awkward. When your best move from a common position is Egg into ice beam, that's not so good. And this position is why Jynx is on the team. Jynx lets me make good moves from here.

I agree with you about Kang. I see the Kang variation as like a transition period where I was still easing off the normal structures. It was like a training wheels variation to tauroless + laxless and then the Jynx variation was me going all the way :blobuwu:
But I mean, this is only an issue because Egg is your only sleeper and Rhydon is your only option to threaten Chansey. Like, in that replay, once your Zam gets put to sleep, Sing Chansey would do exactly what your Jynx does (switch into ice moves, knock out the 2% Jynx as it's trying to come in to rest up, switch out against Tauros to sleep something later). In a matchup where they don't sleepsack their Chansey, it just sits there and clicks buttons against your whole team and I don't really see how you ever remove it without a normal? You kinda can't do anything to it until you kill the entire rest of their team around it.

I think it's a really fun idea to try to build the best possible team without physical normals, though. First thought would be something like lead + Chansey + EggCloyLem to explode your way to an Articuno endgame, but I know you said you wanted to build something defensive. So to that end, this team just looks very Tauros-weak as long as your opponent keeps a Cloyster answer healthy (i.e. Tauros + Starmie) rather than trying to brute force their way through it with their bull. Have you tried running SingToss Chansey and Starmie instead of Jynx? That doesn't help you with breaking through Chansey, but it gives you a way to outspeed and paralyze Tauros once you sleepsack Zam.
 
They have both a Sleep Powder Exeggutor and a Lovely Kiss Jynx.
Yes, that's the whole point of this section, that Jynx is their solution to this teambuilding problem. What I'm saying is that the things Jynx is doing on this team are things a different Chansey set could do, and if you wanted to continue tweaking this formula I think the logical thing to try would be to have Chansey do as much as you can and see what else you can get out of that slot
 
But I mean, this is only an issue because Egg is your only sleeper and Rhydon is your only option to threaten Chansey. Like, in that replay, once your Zam gets put to sleep, Sing Chansey would do exactly what your Jynx does (switch into ice moves, knock out the 2% Jynx as it's trying to come in to rest up, switch out against Tauros to sleep something later). In a matchup where they don't sleepsack their Chansey, it just sits there and clicks buttons against your whole team and I don't really see how you ever remove it without a normal? You kinda can't do anything to it until you kill the entire rest of their team around it.

I think it's a really fun idea to try to build the best possible team without physical normals, though. First thought would be something like lead + Chansey + EggCloyLem to explode your way to an Articuno endgame, but I know you said you wanted to build something defensive. So to that end, this team just looks very Tauros-weak as long as your opponent keeps a Cloyster answer healthy (i.e. Tauros + Starmie) rather than trying to brute force their way through it with their bull. Have you tried running SingToss Chansey and Starmie instead of Jynx? That doesn't help you with breaking through Chansey, but it gives you a way to outspeed and paralyze Tauros once you sleepsack Zam.
I have ran sing toss Chansey to OK success. It lets Rhydon come in too easily. You'd think it might not matter since I have resting Exeggutor, but in practice it is too much pressure on Egg. If you instead replace seismic toss with sing and run ice beam sing Chansey, you're too easy to stall out (which I hate because I want to do the stalling:changry:). Thunderwave is too important to drop because it is needed to scare Tauros away. But sing toss Chansey certainly can work:) I've won quite a few games with it. I believe there are many different solutions to the team's problems, which is why I'm still experimenting:) I definitely do not think I made the optimal tauroless+laxless team. I very much hope people see my teams and think of things they'd like to do differently and try them.

To your other Chansey question, for me I started out just wanting to make a team that used stalling to win. My first teams used toxic just for this reason (I posted these in the rby discussion thread). So I'm still thinking in that way. Everything has evolved from that. I'm happy to waste the pp of my opponent's special attackers like Zam and Chansey. I'm happy with the 200 turn game. That is always what I'm playing for, and if the game just so happens to end sooner, that's cool:) So, I don't think of getting rid of Chansey in a violent way. If it happens, it happens *shrug* but I am happy to just make her a sitting duck that will eventually lose:)
 
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