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Official NBA 2010-11 Season Thread
- Thread starter HeroMasaki
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The conference is still weak now, and Lebron won less games with a better supporting cast this year... 8 through 15 in the East didnt get much better than the Cavs team that played the previous 2 seasons... Do you not recognize that both those years the Cavs had one of the top defenses in the league? Look at Tom thibbs right now as the perfect example. Hes an extremely talented defensive coach, but cant coach an offense. Do you really think Derrick Rose won all those games for them? No, it started with defense, which Thibbs implemented. Now while Brown is not as good a defensive coach as Thibbs hes pretty good, and he has enough weapons on offense that he really doesnt need to worry about his offense not scoring. They can score, but they refuse to play solid D
Yea lol.
...heh
forget top 3 player
is rose even a top 3 POINT GUARD?
paul
rondo
deron
hell arguably nash is still better
i've never seen a supposed mvp fall apart in every facet of the game, EVERY game, down the stretch
rose is shooting like 22% in the 4th quarter
is rose even a top 3 POINT GUARD?
paul
rondo
deron
hell arguably nash is still better
i've never seen a supposed mvp fall apart in every facet of the game, EVERY game, down the stretch
rose is shooting like 22% in the 4th quarter
It's amazing how hot LeBron and Wade can get in 4 minutes. It's scary sometimes.
Edit: There is no way I take Rondo over Rose. The Bulls wouldn't even win a game with Rondo as a point guard in this series instead of Rose.
Let's please stop throwing bricks at Rose and understand that there is a ton of more pressure on Rose (I don't necessarily disagree with the other guards you listed).
Edit: There is no way I take Rondo over Rose. The Bulls wouldn't even win a game with Rondo as a point guard in this series instead of Rose.
Let's please stop throwing bricks at Rose and understand that there is a ton of more pressure on Rose (I don't necessarily disagree with the other guards you listed).
pitiful
2.6/10, try harder next time
That's solely because of team structure. The Bulls are built a LOT like the Iverson 76ers. Great defense, volume scoring combo guard (yes, Rose is a combo guard), a bunch of role players, lots of wins in the East.
In terms of "who is the better PG at doing PG things" then its Rondo easy. Obviously he can't lead a good team in scoring, but that's like saying, uh, Al Harrington > prime Rodman because Harrington can score 18 ppg and Rodman scored 5 ppg.
If it's team structure, then couldn't you say Rondo's success is due to team structure? Since he can't make a jumpshot out of the paint consistently (or shoot free throws worth a damn), that makes it harder for Boston's big three to do anything because Rondo's man can troll around the paint.Ancien Regime said:
How is Rondo easy? He's a better defender.. I'll give him that, but I can't give him anything else. Rose is clearly the better player in terms of building and focusing a team around because he is able to do more things.
What I think you may be referring to is the "passive" guard which is more of a defering point guard. In that case, if the structure calls for it (Like Boston's for example), then you could say Rondo is a better choice.
But saying Rondo is the overall better guard because of Rose's performance against the #1/2 defensive team is just far too quick to say (especially considering Rondo DID WORSE).
I will agree with one thing, though: Rose most likely didn't deserve that MVP as much as I initially thought at the beginning of the post-season (or he deserved it as equally as other candidates).
I don't understand this. The MVP is awarded based on regular season. Why should his poor play off performance change what he did in the regular season. If anything to me, it magnified what he did.
The playoffs showed that the Bulls were clearly not the best team in the league. So Rose leading them to the best record with a poor supporting cast and with his best #2 option, Boozer, spending a lot of time hurt is even more incredible.
I think a lot of that credit has to go to Thibs and his team defense philosophy as well though.
Agreed, a defensive philosophy which Rose played a large part in executing. And what about the Celtics and Heat, they both have great defensive philosophies as well, with the Celtics having equally good if not better defensive stats for the regular season, and the Bulls still earned a better record than them despite having fewer scoring options.
This was a tough series to watch from the Bulls perspective, but it doesn't erase the extremely impressive things they accomplished in the regular season.
This was a tough series to watch from the Bulls perspective, but it doesn't erase the extremely impressive things they accomplished in the regular season.
Oh agreed Deng is definitely the Bulls best #2 option, but the reason they picked up Boozer in the first place was because (not to discredit Deng as he is one of my favorite players, a monster on D, and a great situational score) they needed a more reliable #2 option than Deng.
But yeah, Boozer is definitely pitiful.
But yeah, Boozer is definitely pitiful.
Regular season wise, I wouldn't debate against Rose. Initially, I thought it was not even debatable. Now, I can see either Dwight or Dirk get that award equally alongside Rose.
But.. even for an MVP in the regular season.. I've never seen one struggle in the playoffs as much as him for a while; must be because he's also a point guard as most other MVP's aren't scoring guards. It's such a shame how much of a load he carries and how it detriments his efficiency.
But.. even for an MVP in the regular season.. I've never seen one struggle in the playoffs as much as him for a while; must be because he's also a point guard as most other MVP's aren't scoring guards. It's such a shame how much of a load he carries and how it detriments his efficiency.