One Piece (spoilers!)

Matthew

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aside from the ad-bot I loved this chapter for so many reasons:

1) Katakrui and his seemingly okay way with Luffy being able to beat Big Mom. Is this to say he's saw the future that Luffy beats her? Maybe, but it was nice.

2) Carrot - Sanji interaction. Sanji goes crazy over girls but maybe not anymore (please not anymore), but Carrot crying onto him was such a beautiful moment that almost solidifies her in the crew.

3) Katakuri + Brulee was amazing, makes you feel bad for both of them and I see them both defecting / rebuilding the Big Mom pirates once Luffy finally has his moment

4) Lastly Pudding weeping over the memory, that Sanji no longer has, of her kiss. Finally she found someone who found her beautiful, helpful, and incredible in her own way but she didn't want to be a burden to the man she was to marry. Getting rid of their first kiss as Husband and Wife was touching as hell. It makes for a great later arc when Big Mom is reintroduced where Sanji defends his wife or vice versa.

Reverie is next, that was leaked, so Wano is probably 2019, which means that OP is probably(?) done in 2023-2024 but what I ride we've been on so far.
 

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Reverie is next, that was leaked, so Wano is probably 2019, which means that OP is probably(?) done in 2023-2024 but what I ride we've been on so far.
Where was it leaked that the Reverie is next? I saw an interview that said we "get to" Wano in 2018, but maybe it's the tail end and the Reverie just isn't that long of an arc?

I'm still processing this arc as a whole. It did not seem to have much development besides Luffy's power ups ... I talked to Aldaron about this and there are still a lot of lose ends... my current issues:
1) No Sanji development whatsoever besides maybe not being so girl crazy
2) The big-hyped cake had no effect besides letting them escape
3) Nami's clima tact was power uped by Usopp prior to this arc ("Sorcery" clima tact) and ????? also she still has Zeus?
4) No Chopper or Brook development!!!
5) Jinbe still isn't fucking joining for good

To me, this arc just felt kind of anti-climactic, although it does make you feel like if the entire grand fleet was present that the SHs could defeat a Yonkou's fleet. Ionno, the "Year of Sanji" just didn't give him much. Give him a Raid Suit or ranged attacks ffs
 

Matthew

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I can't find the source but it was something to do with Jump. I'll do some more digging to get back to you Jimbo

Also what are you talking about? Sanji was literally the Boy in the Iron Mask. He was abandoned by his family because he could feel emotions like love and fear. He doesn't need a raid suit because he now can use haki. He doesn't need to shoot electricity out of his body because he has his burning passion. He is Judge's perfect creation and in the end it isn't Judge who rejects Sanji but Sanji who rejects him.

You have someone who will feed a Yonkou and not poison the food because he is a chef, and a chef that can recreate a cake that costed the lives of people "Don't be stingy / Ingredients? Must be carefully selected / Kill the people and rob them" with just what he could find. Sanji fell in love, had it reciprocated back, and was denied his love. Year of Sanji was not supposed to be about fighting given that Sanji's role on the crew was chef / tactician-spy.

Brooke literally had some of the most bad ass moments this arc. Calling Big Mom young lady, injuring her, stealing the poneglyph, and even lying to Sanji (his friend / crewmate) about what happened to Pedro because he knows what the feelings of Sanji would be for someone sacrificing himself. Chopper gets to have big brother moments with Carrot, which I thought was a nice change of pace from his usual childish personality. Instead of Chopper being impressed by everyone he now has someone who he wants to impress and show how to be a pirate. It's cute and I love it.

Nami? I don't know, she had an okay opening with the Cracker fight, her stealing Mom's souls was cool, and her threatening and keeping Zeus (yeah she still has him) was a neat power-up. Oda probably realized that her staff upgrades are just kind of boring and she needs something a little more Son Wukong. She had 2 / 3 of his powers anyway, might as well give her a nimbus and call it good.
 
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I think Matthew and Jimbo are talking different kinds of development here

Sure, Sanji got specialized facetime and shit happened to him (he fell in love, had to leave it). A lot of it was recycled though (we already knew he would make food for anyone); in fact, as cool as the last page in the last chapter was...we already knew that about Zeff / Sanji. It's kind of like Chou Toshio 's point that sure, those moments when someone in the SH crew is dying and says "MY CAPTAIN ISNT THAT KIND OF GUY" are cool in the moment, but after you already know that it's like "ok cool I guess?"

Not saying year of Sanji wasn't cool, and that I didn't enjoy getting some facetime with him, but it's hard for me to call that DEVELOPMENT, especially since One Piece is very specifically a shonen manga. It doesn't matter that Sanji is a cook / tactician / spy; if he's going to be a major member of the eventual pirate king's pirate crew in a shonen, he's going to have to be a top tier fighter. It would have just been cool to get some of that as well (still hoping a sanji-specialized germa suit is left on the sunny Robin-style (jimbo's idea))

Brooke, I agree with you. He was cool as fuck. He almost single (well double with Pedro's distractions) handedly retrieved the copy of the red poneglyph. Development ala shonen perspective? A little lacking. We didn't even get a hint of potential haki from Chopper / Nami / Brooke (or maybe we did? If we did I forget / missed it).

Nami could have some shonen style development I guess if she takes Zeus and has brooke help soul refine it into some super weather upgrade.

tldr - i agree with both of you. this arc had the sh members do cool / funny things. it's a kind of a development. it just didn't have enough shonen style fighting development, and regardless of what you say about jobs being cook / spy / musician / doctor / navigator / whatever, it's still a shonen. they're still going to have to be elite (especially if you draw parallels with Blackbeard, who seems to have _everyone_ (most actually confirmed) on his crew as a super fighter).
 

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Right -- I'm not saying this arc was bad, per say. It had a lot of great moments it's just hard to see the long term ramifications vs. arcs such as Enies Lobby, Marineford, Dressrosa...

And like Aldaron said, if there are going to be 1v1s with Blackbeard's crew then the SHs definitely still need to do some work. Remember, Blackbeard's crew basically tanked sengoku's moves... I can hardly see Nami or Usopp taking a shockwave and being completely fine to keep fighting (and I'm not saying they necessarily have to do something like that, but that is the kind of thing they'll be up against).

Sanji was hailed as one of the Monster Trio pre-time skip and still hasn't been given a 1v1 fight to completion since the time skip. He got his ass beat by doflamingo, struggled hard against Vergo, basically used 1-2 moves total on a wadatsumi.... am I missing anything? I just feel like it's an asspull to have a "year of sanji" and not even give him one serious fight (and I am not counting vs. Judge or Luffy..... come on now). Even his ~amazing idea~ to escape was ... literally just grab luffy and escape. ??????????
 

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I still maintain that Nami, as the wizard of this D&D party, has become one of the most powerful Straw Hats, just shy of the Monster Trio (if she's even shy of Sanji). She has devastating AOE, basically can't be hurt due to illusions, offered support that Luffy required to beat Cracker, and now has a Yonko's power. Weak initially, quadratic improvement in power. I can't be the only one who sees this.
 
I still maintain that Nami, as the wizard of this D&D party, has become one of the most powerful Straw Hats, just shy of the Monster Trio (if she's even shy of Sanji). She has devastating AOE, basically can't be hurt due to illusions, offered support that Luffy required to beat Cracker, and now has a Yonko's power. Weak initially, quadratic improvement in power. I can't be the only one who sees this.
A lot of people are stuck in the 1v1 mindset even though those fights haven't been a prominent part of NW at all.
 
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I think Matthew and Jimbo are talking different kinds of development here

Sure, Sanji got specialized facetime and shit happened to him (he fell in love, had to leave it). A lot of it was recycled though (we already knew he would make food for anyone); in fact, as cool as the last page in the last chapter was...we already knew that about Zeff / Sanji. It's kind of like Chou Toshio 's point that sure, those moments when someone in the SH crew is dying and says "MY CAPTAIN ISNT THAT KIND OF GUY" are cool in the moment, but after you already know that it's like "ok cool I guess?"

Not saying year of Sanji wasn't cool, and that I didn't enjoy getting some facetime with him, but it's hard for me to call that DEVELOPMENT, especially since One Piece is very specifically a shonen manga. It doesn't matter that Sanji is a cook / tactician / spy; if he's going to be a major member of the eventual pirate king's pirate crew in a shonen, he's going to have to be a top tier fighter. It would have just been cool to get some of that as well (still hoping a sanji-specialized germa suit is left on the sunny Robin-style (jimbo's idea))

Brooke, I agree with you. He was cool as fuck. He almost single (well double with Pedro's distractions) handedly retrieved the copy of the red poneglyph. Development ala shonen perspective? A little lacking. We didn't even get a hint of potential haki from Chopper / Nami / Brooke (or maybe we did? If we did I forget / missed it).

Nami could have some shonen style development I guess if she takes Zeus and has brooke help soul refine it into some super weather upgrade.

tldr - i agree with both of you. this arc had the sh members do cool / funny things. it's a kind of a development. it just didn't have enough shonen style fighting development, and regardless of what you say about jobs being cook / spy / musician / doctor / navigator / whatever, it's still a shonen. they're still going to have to be elite (especially if you draw parallels with Blackbeard, who seems to have _everyone_ (most actually confirmed) on his crew as a super fighter).
What about Luffy learning to see into the future and Jinbei officially joining the crew?

I agree it would be cool if Sanji somehow learned to tap into his family’s powers...
 

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What about Luffy learning to see into the future and Jinbei officially joining the crew?

I agree it would be cool if Sanji somehow learned to tap into his family’s powers...
I mean, yes, but I think the issue is that it was highlighted as the year of Sanji and a -Sanji- arc. And Jinbe officially joined the crew but still didn't actually... This is just leaving us to have another Jinbe save during the Wano arc.
 

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I mean, yes, but I think the issue is that it was highlighted as the year of Sanji and a -Sanji- arc. And Jinbe officially joined the crew but still didn't actually... This is just leaving us to have another Jinbe save during the Wano arc.
jinbe will come back in the next 200 chapters like before and leave once again watch it happen
 

Akashi

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for those wondering, yes, i am taking full credit for predicting Zeus and the Raid suit, thank you.
that would be the case if more than half the one piece community/fanbase wasnt already theorizing zeus and nani/raid suit for sanji since the beginning of the arc lol
 
Great payoff/fanservice chapter, we did not get a reaction from revolutionaries so the theory that they'll appear in Reverie arc still holds for me
In at least two panels the newspapers are mentioning something about Vegapunk so this might be a teaser as well
 
there was also a picture of Whitebeard Jr in the newspaper captioned "WARNING". this probably means he's had his shichibukai status revoked or smth. we know fujitora's agenda is to abolish the shichibukai so if it doesn't come up during reverie then this must be it.
 

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im reading through one piece right now (at fishman island arc) and this shit is wild I hope it gets better post war arc because the marineford war was a hype as shit arc. pls tell me it gets better and im not just reading it just to finish the story

also sometimes i peek into this thread just because idgaf about spoilers TOO much so its wild af to see Luffy referred to as the "fifth yonkou" lol thats crazy especially this early into one piece. doesnt the manga sitll have like 3 years left until it actually finishes??
 
3 years? Not too sure about that. Probably at least 5 to 6 years at this point. You'll have a lot to look forward to regardless. After the Reverie, we'll have Wano and a few final arcs from what I can tell so far.

Either way, I'm hyped to see Luffy as the fifth emperor. Will the 1,500,000,000 Belly mark be his final bounty? The first Four Emperors are ridiculously powerful and much stronger than Luffy right now. Since Big Mom didn't get her ass kicked yet, will Kaido even be fought at all?
 
im reading through one piece right now (at fishman island arc) and this shit is wild I hope it gets better post war arc because the marineford war was a hype as shit arc. pls tell me it gets better and im not just reading it just to finish the story

also sometimes i peek into this thread just because idgaf about spoilers TOO much so its wild af to see Luffy referred to as the "fifth yonkou" lol thats crazy especially this early into one piece. doesnt the manga sitll have like 3 years left until it actually finishes??
3 years is like 2-3 arcs, we're definitely not that close.

And yes, it does get more hype. Fishman Island sucks though.
 

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3 years? Not too sure about that. Probably at least 5 to 6 years at this point. You'll have a lot to look forward to regardless. After the Reverie, we'll have Wano and a few final arcs from what I can tell so far.

Either way, I'm hyped to see Luffy as the fifth emperor. Will the 1,500,000,000 Belly mark be his final bounty? The first Four Emperors are ridiculously powerful and much stronger than Luffy right now. Since Big Mom didn't get her ass kicked yet, will Kaido even be fought at all?
during an interview, Oda latest editor revealed the progress of One Piece Manga already around 70 % - date July 17th 2015

with some simple maths, thats down to less than 10 years we have left for the manga to end since according to the interviews, one piece was planned for 3-4 decades to run, this can be alot longer due to oda health and breaks. one piece can still go through another timeskip and there's so much stuff to cover and the final arcs will not be a "few arcs" we still have space travel and the moon arc etc, since the moons are pretty important in the one piece verse, even after raftel arc one piece will still have ALOT to cover, the story is vase and needs to be completed in its entirety.

mmmm just because i'm taking all the credit doesn't mean the credit is due!!
im just saying u shouldnt take credit at all since oda already stated that nani WILL get a power up by the end of the arc, and then it was further hinted to be zeus, every interaction between zeus and nani proved this. obvious stuff like this are obvious, everyone knew nani will either use zeus just for that moment or she will keep zeus as an "power up", it was narrowed down to these 2 options because we dont know how big mom souls work, we didnt know if nani can just keep a part of big mom soul but it was indicated that it wasnt her soul exactly zeus just feeds off of her.
and about the raid suit, im quite confused about what u meant, everyone should know that sanji had a raid suit since birth and judge created the raid suits for each child before they were even born lol otherwise judge wouldnt have a raid suit that was suited for sanji because sanji wasnt even with judge for a solid 10 years of his life and it was already stated lol however u could be referring to whether he would get the raid suit or not if thats what u meant then thats my bad

and can everyone stop referring to reverie as an "arc", it will be a nothing short of a mini arc because nothing "big" will happen its just "talks between countries" no fights or anything will happen at the holy land its literally impossible unless someone from inside tries to interfere and somehow gets into the holy land undetected. oda wouldnt do that, its way too uncharacteristic of his writing style.
 
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