[OU RMT] FWG Core

[Unknown001]

Notes:
I've chosen an FWG core based team because it seems to suit my offensive play style, I peaked at the top 500 on PO in Gen 4 with something similar (Swampert/Heatran/Celebi) and have been loving the concept behind it.

Sorry if the thread seems a lil lackluster, first time writing one of these.

Team At A Glance

The Analysis

Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stealth Rock

Standard Air Balloon Heatran set. With Swampert leaving the team I needed someone to else play the role of Stealth Rocker and who's better for the job than Heatran on this team. His excellent resistances allow him to switch into a variety of attacks and fire back with an appropriate move.

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Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Dragon Pulse

Although Heatran has an amazing SAtk stat his speed is a bit of a problem. To alleviate the burdensome stat I chose a Scarf set. This is a pretty standard set except for the Dragon Pulse and HP Ice combo. Dragon Pulse is there to kill off any already dieing pokemon and can hit the next pokemon for neutral damage. I might switch out Dragon Pulse for Overheat and Fire Blast for Flamethrower.

Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Toxic
- Recover

There's not much I can say about this little guy cept that he's a great SDefensive wall that can spread statuses. His ability Storm Drain gave the team another immunity that would otherwise hit for neutral on a majority of them.
-Thank you AB2 for the sugesstion

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Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake

I needed a Stealth Rocker on the team and Swampert fitted the FWG Core. He also serves as a Pseudo-Hazer to wreck my opponent's set ups. The Roar used to be Scald till I realized how much trouble Suicune can give me if Virizion ends up dieing early.

Virizion @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 212 HP / 64 Def / 232 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Giga Drain
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Virizion completes the FWG core on the team. Virizion serves the purpose of taking out Bulky Waters and as a counter to weather teams. I've chosen Dezza's bulky CM set because of its longevity, although it sacrifices a lot of SAtk power it seems to be paying off a bit. The EV spread gives it 376 HP and 341 Speed (enough to outpace Zoroark and unScarfed Chomp); the 64 in DEF gives it the lil boost it might need to survive some physical attacks.

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Quick Attack

At first Quick Attack may seem awkward but it does an excellent job at revenge killing whatever pokemon resists Bullet Punch. Super Power delivers heavy damage to any Steel Types that may give the team a problem if Heatran dies off early and U-Turn is for the scouting opportunities.

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 HP / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psychic (thinking of going Thunder Bolt)

With his excellent SAtk and blistering speed and with the ability to break stalls/wall he was an excellent candidate for replacing Jirachi. He also provides another Ground immunity and Fighting resistance for the team. Psyshock gives an attack to take out those pesky Blissey and put a huge dent if not OHKO Scarfed Terrakion and unbuffed Conkledurr.
-Thank you for the suggestion Downf4ll.

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Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
- ThunderPunch

The EVs are of course set for maximum speed and attack to help serve Jirachi's role as revenge killer. Jolly Scarfed Jirachi is fast enough to switch into a +1 Dragon Dance Gyarados/Dragonite and hit them with the appropriate punch. Jirachi doesn't seem to serve much other than a check to the aforementioned pokemon and has been feeling pretty much like a filler pokemon as of late. I've been contemplating on taking out Jirachi for Lati@s in order to have more Fighting resistance and another Ground immunity.

Gengar (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Pain Split

Substitute, Pain Split, and Life Orb is just a wonderful combination on Gengar. Subs protecting him from statuses and Pain Split to heal off Life Orb and other damages while also crippling walls. Shadow Ball and Focus Blast are for coverage. It also serves the duo purpose as a Ground and Fighting immunity which the team was desperately needing.

Team Resistance Chart:

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Marriland didn't have a Storm Drain option for Gastrodon :|

Team Export:

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Gastrodon-Ea (Gastrodon-East) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Toxic
- Recover

Virizion @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 196 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Giga Drain
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stealth Rock

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Quick Attack

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hardy Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psyshock

Gengar (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Pain Split
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Offensive Threats:

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Archeops - I've honestly haven't seen many of these, I think Scizor can BP it and OHKO it

Azelf - It's not much of a problem or at least I haven't run into one that can cause any

Bisharp - Heatran /Virizion can handle him pretty easily (the Sub set)

Breloom - I should be able to handle it with Virizion/Latios

Chandelure - Haven't run into many of these but I imagine Heatran can wall the ones without HP Fighting and Gastrodon can handle the ones without Energy Ball; pretty sure Latios can check it extremely well

Cobalion - Haven't seen any of these yet

Conkeldurr - Gengar (if I have a Sub up) or Latios should be able to handle it

Deoxys-S - Haven't run into it yet

Dragonite - I think my team has enough HP Ice to take of it

Eelektross - Haven't seen any yet, pretty sure Gastrodon can handle it if it doesn't have Grass Knot

Electivire - Gastrodon or any of my other pokemon can handle it so long as i don't mispredict

Empoleon - Virizion should be able to handle it

Espeon - Gengar/Scizor

Escavalier - Heatran/ Latio's HP Fire

Excadrill - Heatran, idk what else; it's a lot more difficult to counter when Sand Storm is up

Garchomp - HP Ice it

Gengar - Scizor's Bullet Punch or Gastrodon would just tank it

Golurk - Gengar should be able to check it

Gyarados - Latios (Draco Meteor 2HKO without SR up), I don't think Gyarados can set up on me safely enough early to mid game, or at least that's what's been my experience vs it

Haxorus - I'll just have to outspeed it and hope to kill it quick, CB variants scare me more than the DD variant

Heatran - Latios (hopefully Surf can OHKO), Gastron (assuming no HP grass), Gengar (if Focus Blast doesn't miss)

Heracross - Latios (I believe Psychic OHKO, need to double check)

Hydreigon - The Scarf set can pose a huge problem if I lose Latios early, pretty sure Scizor can survive 1 Fire Blast from the Scarf Variant

Infernape - Latios, Gengar, oddly enough Scizor

Jirachi - Heatran, Gastrodon, Gengar/Virizion

Jolteon - Gastron can take care of or Scizor's Quick attack should dent it hard

Kingdra - I'd have to Draco Meteor it or Quick Attack it to death; Gastrodon might be able to handle the Special Variants, haven't done damage calcs for this yet

Krookodile - Gengar/Vizirion

Kyurem - Hasn't posed as a threat yet

Landorus - HP Ice it with Virizion/Latios/Heatran

Latios - Latios (assuming the opposing one isn't also Scarfed)

Lilligant - I have a lot of Ice

Lucario - Latios, Gengar; hasn't posed much of a threat yet

Machamp - this guy can be devastating if I mispredict, Gengar and Latios are the only things I can think of that can remotely counter him

Magnezone - I never had a problem with this guy and I doubt I will any time soon

Mamoswine - Scizor can make a pretty big dent on him

Metagross - not sure to be honest, I haven't played vs that many Metagross

Mienshao - Never really had a problem vs it yet

Reuniclus - TR Set can cause a lot of problems for me if I don't wipe out with Scizor's U-turn quickly or if I lose Gastrodon early

Roserade - Heatrn/Latios/Scizor

Salamence - Heatran, Latios, Scizor

Sawsbuck - Haven't seen him at all yet

Scizor - Heatran, anything on my team with Focus Blast

Scrafty- anything with Focus Blast

Serperior - Virizion/Heatran/Scizor

Shaymin - Virizion/Heatran/Scizor

Sigilyph - Gengar

Starmie - Virizion/Gengar/Scizor

Terakion - Scizor/Latios

Thundurus - Gastrodon should be able to handle it

Togekiss - the unScarfed one's aren't much of a problem for me

Tornadus - I have no idea on what to counter it with cept maybe Heatran

Tyranitar - Virizion (even without CM) or Gengar can OHKO with Focus Blast

Venusaur - can be problematic if I lose Heatran or Latio early

Victini - if it's a Choiced on a Fire move Heatran can take care of it other wise I'll just outspeed it with something else

Virizion - Latios should be able to take care of it

Volcarona - with SR up I can just revenge kill with Scizor's Quick attack

Weavile - it's too fragile to pose much of a threat

Zoroark - Virizion should be able to outspeed it and handle it with Focus Blast
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Defensive Threats:

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Alomomola - Virizion/Gastrodon, from the few times I've seen it it wasn't much of a problem

Blissey - This pink blob can be an issue, I usually just Split its HP with Gengar till it's in KO range for Focus Blast

Bronzong - most of em Levitate so I imagine Heatran should be able to handle him

Celebi - Heatran should be able to handle it, Gengar too

Chansey - Gengar Pain Splits til it's HP is low enough, Scizor can damage it too

Deoxys-D - Gastrodon's Toxic or Gengar's SubSplit then Shadow Ball

Cofagrigus - Gastrodon's Toxic or Gengar's SubSplit then Shadow Ball

Dusclops - Gastrodon's Toxic or Gengar's SubSplit then Shadow Ball

Ferrothorn - Gengar's SubSplit then Focus Blast / Heatran / Virizion

Forretress - Gengar's SubSplit then Focus Blast / Heatran / Virizion

Garbodor - Gengar's SubSplit then Focus Blast / Heatran's Earth Power / Latios' Psychic

Gliscor - My team has a lot of HP Ice, should be able to take care of it

Hippowdon - My team has a lot of HP Ice, should be able to take care of it / Virizion is the main check to it so long as it doesn't carry Ice Fang or something

Jellicent - Gengar and Virizion checks it

Latias - Haven't played vs many of her, I usually just Draco Meteor or spam at it with Shadow Ball

Ninetales - Heatran / Gastrodon / Latios

Politoed - Virizion / Gastrodon

Porygon2 - Anything on my team with a Fighting move

Rotom-W - Virizion / Gastrodon (walls most of them)

Skarmory - Heatran is my usual counter vs it, Latios secondary

Snorlax - Superpower from Scizor or Focus Blast it to death I suppose

Suicune - Gastrodon laughs at the Mono attack variants until they PP stall, Virizion can check it too although I would end up in a Calm Mind war

Swampert - Virizion is my main check, haven't had much of an issue from the few Swamperts I've seen

Tentacruel - Gastrodon can wall it to an extent, Virizion can handle it but the Liquid Ooze one's scare me a bit

Vaporeon - Virizion or Gastrodon should be able to handle it

Whimsicott - I have a lot of HP Ice and Heatran too

Xatu - if I have SR up before he comes into play I'm not worried, other wise I'll just hit it with Shadow Ball / HP Ice

Zapdos - Gastrodon laughs at it for the most part, I'll Toxic and if I predict Roost I'll Earth Power
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[AB2]

Solid team, although you should watch out for Drizzle teams. Specs Politoed is going to shut you down quickly, especially since your only water resist takes a massive amount of damage from Specs Hydro Pump in the rain. X-Scissor Excadrill can be really problematic too because nothing on this team can take boosted hits, and it can be really annoying if it packs a Balloon. Swampert will be taken down by boosted Earthqakes and the rest of your team can't stand up to a +2 Rock Slide or X-Scissor either. Magnazone looks like it could be very problematic to this team since it traps and KOs both Jirachi and Scizor if they are choice locked onto the wrong move. From here, sweeps with pokemon such as Swords Dance Garchomp or Latios become even easier. Ferrothorn can also be very problematic for this team since you have 3 choiced pokemon meaning that it is going to gain a few free layers of spikes somewhere if they have locked themselves onto the wrong move. Also, Swampert is a really easy pokemon for Ferrothorn to come in and set up on considering that it can't do anything in return.

First of all, I would try running a Gastrodon over your Swampert. This allows you to combat Drizzle teams much more effectively because you can switch into pokemon such as Specs Politoed or Starmie and take no damage at all due to Storm Drain. Swampert also really isn't doing much for this team bar getting you up Stealth Rocks which Heatran can do for you much easier, which brings me to my next suggestion. An Air Balloon Heatran over your current one would work much more effectively in checking pokemon such as Volcarona and also not giving Ferrothorn the opportunity to set up on a favorable choice locked move. Air Balloon Heatran with Stealth Rocks | Fire Blast | Earth Power | Hidden Power Ice with max speed and special attack also helps patch up that nasty Excadrill weakness to an extent, although more can be done to help you with it. To be honest, I think that a Scarf Garchomp would work perfectly over your Jirachi as it gives you the ability to at least help that nasty Magnazone weakness and also can sort of check Excadrill. It will also gives you less steels that are trapped which helps you out quite a lot. Finally, I'd try running a Defensive Skarmory over that Scizor. Skarmory will help the Conkeldurr weakness that you commented on a bit and it can also switch into Excadrill and beat it with relative ease. Skarmory is also very good on this team as it makes an excellent defensive core with Gastrodon, checking many of the threats in the metagame. The choice of Leftovers or Shed Shell is up to you; however you have Garchomp so as long as you play smart, leftovers should be a fine choice.

Other than that, this team is pretty cool. Good Luck!

Gastrodon

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Calm 252 HP | 4 SpA | 252 SpD Storm Drain
Scald | Toxic | Earth Power | Recover

Garchomp

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Jolly 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe Sand Veil
Outrage | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Fire Fang

Skarmory

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish 252 HP | 240 Def | 16 Spe Sturdy
Spikes | Roost | Brave Bird | Whirlwind

 

[Downf4ll]

I second switching 'Pert for gastrodon, and using 'Tran with rocks. Also, instead of the SubSplit set I'd probably use SubDisable set. When I had gengar on my team I always ended up using disable more than pain split anyway.

Skarmory I'm not too sure about though. While I see the appeal for more entry hazards, your team would be stall. Now I don't know if you don't mind that or not, but yea, you'd play a lot differently if you switched scizor for skarm.

Finally, you don't need 2 revenge killers. Either keep Jirachi or Scizor (I'd recommend scizor) and replace jirachi for something that fills a different role. The thing is though, that role would change up how this team would play. So far it seems like bulky offense plus gengar, so if:

You want to keep it that way, I'd suggest DDNite, so you can set up from both sides of the spectrum (virizion for SpA, Dragonite for Atk). He also patches up your conkelderp, suicune and rain team weakness just a little.

Dragonite

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
Nature: Adamant (+Atk,-SAtk)
252 Hp/52 Atk/204 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Roost
-Earthquake/Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw

You could also use Latias, Reuniclus, and Rotom-W.

If you want to make it a little more offensive, you could opt for Starmie. It helps with everyone bar conkelherpderp, but it also provides rapid spin, which you don't have right now.

Starmie

Starmie @ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid (+Spe,-Atk)
252 SAtk/252 Spe/4 Hp
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin

Other candidates include Latios, Gyarados, Azumarill and Thundurus.

Finally, you could go the more defensive route, but I never, ever do that so frankly I'm even more inexperienced about this than I am normally. I guess in that case replace Jirachi with the skarmory AB2 suggested. Sorry I'm absolutely no help in this department >.<

 

[Aeromence]

Like downf4ll said, i suggest using gastrodon instead of swampert, but quagsire can also be useful with countering exca and every other setup sweeper in history.
Good team 2, i like that set of resistances

 

[Unknown001]

Solid team, although you should watch out for Drizzle teams. Specs Politoed is going to shut you down quickly, especially since your only water resist takes a massive amount of damage from Specs Hydro Pump in the rain. X-Scissor Excadrill can be really problematic too because nothing on this team can take boosted hits, and it can be really annoying if it packs a Balloon. Swampert will be taken down by boosted Earthqakes and the rest of your team can't stand up to a +2 Rock Slide or X-Scissor either. Magnazone looks like it could be very problematic to this team since it traps and KOs both Jirachi and Scizor if they are choice locked onto the wrong move. From here, sweeps with pokemon such as Swords Dance Garchomp or Latios become even easier. Ferrothorn can also be very problematic for this team since you have 3 choiced pokemon meaning that it is going to gain a few free layers of spikes somewhere if they have locked themselves onto the wrong move. Also, Swampert is a really easy pokemon for Ferrothorn to come in and set up on considering that it can't do anything in return.

First of all, I would try running a Gastrodon over your Swampert. This allows you to combat Drizzle teams much more effectively because you can switch into pokemon such as Specs Politoed or Starmie and take no damage at all due to Storm Drain. Swampert also really isn't doing much for this team bar getting you up Stealth Rocks which Heatran can do for you much easier, which brings me to my next suggestion. An Air Balloon Heatran over your current one would work much more effectively in checking pokemon such as Volcarona and also not giving Ferrothorn the opportunity to set up on a favorable choice locked move. Air Balloon Heatran with Stealth Rocks | Fire Blast | Earth Power | Hidden Power Ice with max speed and special attack also helps patch up that nasty Excadrill weakness to an extent, although more can be done to help you with it. To be honest, I think that a Scarf Garchomp would work perfectly over your Jirachi as it gives you the ability to at least help that nasty Magnazone weakness and also can sort of check Excadrill. It will also gives you less steels that are trapped which helps you out quite a lot. Finally, I'd try running a Defensive Skarmory over that Scizor. Skarmory will help the Conkeldurr weakness that you commented on a bit and it can also switch into Excadrill and beat it with relative ease. Skarmory is also very good on this team as it makes an excellent defensive core with Gastrodon, checking many of the threats in the metagame. The choice of Leftovers or Shed Shell is up to you; however you have Garchomp so as long as you play smart, leftovers should be a fine choice.

Other than that, this team is pretty cool. Good Luck!

Gastrodon

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Calm 252 HP | 4 SpA | 252 Spe Storm Drain
Scald | Toxic | Earth Power | Recover

Garchomp

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Jolly 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe Sand Veil
Outrage | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Fire Fang

Skarmory

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish 252 HP | 240 Def | 16 Spe Sturdy
Spikes | Roost | Brave Bird | Whirlwind

Swampert: will probably come out for the Gastrodon, the Water Immunity is too nice to pass up. And you meant 252 SpD not 252 Spe right?

Garchomp: I'm kinda iffy on what it can contribute to the team, tbh i never really had trouble with Magnezone before.

Skarmory: Idk if i would replace Scizor with it cuz it takes away some of the offensive capabilities of the team.

I second switching 'Pert for gastrodon, and using 'Tran with rocks. Also, instead of the SubSplit set I'd probably use SubDisable set. When I had gengar on my team I always ended up using disable more than pain split anyway.

Skarmory I'm not too sure about though. While I see the appeal for more entry hazards, your team would be stall. Now I don't know if you don't mind that or not, but yea, you'd play a lot differently if you switched scizor for skarm.

Finally, you don't need 2 revenge killers. Either keep Jirachi or Scizor (I'd recommend scizor) and replace jirachi for something that fills a different role. The thing is though, that role would change up how this team would play. So far it seems like bulky offense plus gengar, so if:

You want to keep it that way, I'd suggest DDNite, so you can set up from both sides of the spectrum (virizion for SpA, Dragonite for Atk). He also patches up your conkelderp, suicune and rain team weakness just a little.

Dragonite

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
Nature: Adamant (+Atk,-SAtk)
252 Hp/52 Atk/204 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Roost
-Earthquake/Fire Punch
-Dragon Claw

You could also use Latias, Reuniclus, and Rotom-W.

If you want to make it a little more offensive, you could opt for Starmie. It helps with everyone bar conkelherpderp, but it also provides rapid spin, which you don't have right now.

Starmie

Starmie @ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid (+Spe,-Atk)
252 SAtk/252 Spe/4 Hp
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin

Other candidates include Latios, Gyarados, Azumarill and Thundurus.

Finally, you could go the more defensive route, but I never, ever do that so frankly I'm even more inexperienced about this than I am normally. I guess in that case replace Jirachi with the skarmory AB2 suggested. Sorry I'm absolutely no help in this department >.<

Starmie: The only real entry hazard i fear is toxic spikes, everything else I can usually handle.

Lati@s and Thundurus: What sets do you recommend?

Reuniclus: Might give it a go cuz it seems like an excellent check to Conk

Like downf4ll said, i suggest using gastrodon instead of swampert, but quagsire can also be useful with countering exca and every other setup sweeper in history.
Good team 2, i like that set of resistances

Would you happen to be referring to the Swaggsire set? xD

Tied between on what to replace Jirachi with:
Garchomp: High Attack + Excellent Speed but 4x Ice Weakness really stands out, also not sure on how well it can survive an Earthquake from Excadrill
Lati@s: Levitate + Excellent Resistances but also a lot of weaknesses
Dragonite: Incredible bulk but Stealth Rock and other Entry hazards hurt Multiscale; if Dragonite goes in I would also have to find room for a spinner.
Reuniclus: Really fear faster pokemon setting up on him.

Set change responses:
Heatran (from ScarfSet -> Stealth Rocks): I'm really unsure about this because the 77 base speed is so hurtful (might be a case of old habits dieing hard) but I also see how incredibly useful Air Balloon useful is, especially vs Excadrill (btw does anyone have damage calcs of Excadrill w/ 1 SD Rock Slide? or can provide me with a 5th gen Damage calc similar to the one here on Smogon)

Gengar (SubSplit -> SubDisable): I'm also unsure about this recommended fix, if I switch to SubDisable set I'm gonna be forced to use Black Sludge/Left Overs as a form of recovery over Pain Split. The Pain Split set can cripple walls if timed right plus the ability to also have Life Orb to push for the extra damage to ensure that OHKO or KO seems hard to pass up.

Thank you guys for providing fixes, I honestly didn't think I would get any so soon due to me being a lurker here xD

 

[AB2]

Swampert: will probably come out for the Gastrodon, the Water Immunity is too nice to pass up. And you meant 252 SpD not 252 Spe right?

Yeah that was a typo, sorry for the mix up.

 

[Eternal]

I would also suggest that Gastrodon set AB2 recommended over Swampert. Since you're going to lack SR now, I would really suggest replacing that Dragon Pulse from your Scarf Heatran for Stealth Rocks. Heatran does get easy chances to set up Stealth Rock even if it is a Choice Scarfer. Not only will giving your Scarf Heatran Stealth Rock be a good idea, it will also surprise your opponent by making him think your Heatran is probably Life Orbed or some other item. You can easily switch out after you've set up Stealth Rocks, so you don't have to trap yourself with 1 move.

Overall, your team is pretty solid. That Gastrodon change will make it even better.

 

[Downf4ll]

Ah, my apologies, I probably should've put the sets down for those pokes lool. Well here's the sets I think would help your team the most (WARNING LOTS-O-READING):

Latias

Latias @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
252 Hp/252 Spe/ 4 SAtk
Calm Mind
Roar/ Thunderbolt
Dragon Pulse
Hp Fire/ Surf

Feel free to use whatever move you want. Now that I look at it though I think this would be a better replacement for virizion instead of Jirachi rofl.

Fear not though, because if you DO end up replacing virizion with her I know the perfect poke to replace jirachi:

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Nature: Adamant
4 Hp/252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Seed Bomb
Substitute
Focus Punch
Spore

You wouldn't believe how useful spore is, and focus punch kills a lot of things. Used in tandem with Latios (using Roar and Hp Fire), they have perfect coverage, and hitting 10/17 types for SE damage.Ever since I discovered Breloom, I use it religiously (you could, alternatively switch the EVs between hp and speed, if you want a bulkier 'mon).

Latios

Latios @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
4 Hp/252 Spa/252 Spe
Draco Meteor
Hp Fire
Thunderbolt
Surf

Earth Power would be soo nice on this thing, but alas D:
(you could probably use a scarf hydreigon instead with the same set but with Earth Power instead of T-bolt and Fire Blast/ Flamethrower instead of HP Fire. Up to you). Anyway, this thing revenges anything that scizor fails to (since lets face it, scizor has shit coverage), and surprises the crap out of opposing latios by virtue of being scarfed. You would think that latias and Latios play around the same, but that could be further from the truth. While Latias walls Special attackers to hell and back with calm mind, while Phazing if they try to set up, Latios is a great stall/wall breaker and revenge killer. He replaces Jirachi for sure.

Thundurus

Thundurus @ Life Orb
Trait: Prankster
Nature: Timid
252 SAtk/252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave/Taunt/Focus Blast
Nasty Plot
Hp Ice

This guy is extremely offensive, and will most likely take out a lot of pokes before going down himself. If he does encounter something he doesn't really like though, he's got Thunder Wave/ Taunt to cripple them (unless you opt for focus blast. It's used mainly for ferrothorn and other elec resists. It's a slash on this though because you already have like 4 people who at least 2HKO ferro, so I doubt you'd really need it.) The problem though, is that he'll most likely end up killing himself from LO damage more often than he'll actually die to a move, but when you're trading him for like 3 of your opponent's pokes, it's not a bad deal.

Reuniclus

Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
Nature: Modest
252 Hp/ 252 SAtk/ 4 Def
Recover/ Shadow Ball
Calm Mind
Focus Blast
Psychic

Now you were probably going to use this or the trick room set (there isn't really anything else he's good at), but I'll tell you why this would be better: your teammates. Everyone bar 'Pert and 'Tran are fast, and because of this trick room would just be a very bad idea.

Now, why I recommended SR over Scarf:

You already have 2 other choiced pokemon. I'm not going to lie, 3 is 1-2 too many. Also, while the speed drop is slightly noticeable, you'll also be garnering more KOs with SR down, so IMO, the pros outweigh the cons.

Finally, SubDisable over SubSplit:

While I agree that you wouldn't have reliable recovery with SubDisable, you also have the ability to ruin choiced pokemon, which is a very good thing. Plus, Gengar isn't surviving very long anyway, and you'd also be able to ruin things like conklederp (especially him, actually), since he usually runs only 1 move that isn't fighting type. You can then proceed to sub again, and rape him with shadow ball.

 

[EonX]

I too back the swap from 'Pert to Gastrodon.
I actually use Shuca Berry on my own Heatran, though this is because I have a way around Excadrill if it finds a way to set up. If you fear it a lot, then go ahead with Air Balloon. Just remember it becomes useless once Heatran takes a direct attack. Another thing on Heatran with rocks is use Modest over Timid. Without the Scarf, Heatran won't outspeed a ton of important things with Timid so the extra power is better.
I can vouch for the effectiveness for that Latias set. Only thing I have different is Recover in the 2nd slot for more staying power. Kills Specs Latios most of the time with a CM boost since Latios rarely runs perfect Speed IVs due to HP Fire(you'd have to run Surf on Latias to do this without any risk)

 

[Unknown001]

I would also suggest that Gastrodon set AB2 recommended over Swampert. Since you're going to lack SR now, I would really suggest replacing that Dragon Pulse from your Scarf Heatran for Stealth Rocks. Heatran does get easy chances to set up Stealth Rock even if it is a Choice Scarfer. Not only will giving your Scarf Heatran Stealth Rock be a good idea, it will also surprise your opponent by making him think your Heatran is probably Life Orbed or some other item. You can easily switch out after you've set up Stealth Rocks, so you don't have to trap yourself with 1 move.

Overall, your team is pretty solid. That Gastrodon change will make it even better.

Thanks for the suggestion, it's been working out well so far :D

Ah, my apologies, I probably should've put the sets down for those pokes lool. Well here's the sets I think would help your team the most (WARNING LOTS-O-READING):

Latias

Latias @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
252 Hp/252 Spe/ 4 SAtk
Calm Mind
Roar/ Thunderbolt
Dragon Pulse
Hp Fire/ Surf

Feel free to use whatever move you want. Now that I look at it though I think this would be a better replacement for virizion instead of Jirachi rofl.

Fear not though, because if you DO end up replacing virizion with her I know the perfect poke to replace jirachi:

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Nature: Adamant
4 Hp/252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Seed Bomb
Substitute
Focus Punch
Spore

You wouldn't believe how useful spore is, and focus punch kills a lot of things. Used in tandem with Latios (using Roar and Hp Fire), they have perfect coverage, and hitting 10/17 types for SE damage.Ever since I discovered Breloom, I use it religiously (you could, alternatively switch the EVs between hp and speed, if you want a bulkier 'mon).

Latios

Latios @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
4 Hp/252 Spa/252 Spe
Draco Meteor
Hp Fire
Thunderbolt
Surf

Earth Power would be soo nice on this thing, but alas D:
(you could probably use a scarf hydreigon instead with the same set but with Earth Power instead of T-bolt and Fire Blast/ Flamethrower instead of HP Fire. Up to you). Anyway, this thing revenges anything that scizor fails to (since lets face it, scizor has shit coverage), and surprises the crap out of opposing latios by virtue of being scarfed. You would think that latias and Latios play around the same, but that could be further from the truth. While Latias walls Special attackers to hell and back with calm mind, while Phazing if they try to set up, Latios is a great stall/wall breaker and revenge killer. He replaces Jirachi for sure.

Thundurus

Thundurus @ Life Orb
Trait: Prankster
Nature: Timid
252 SAtk/252 Spe/ 4 Hp
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave/Taunt/Focus Blast
Nasty Plot
Hp Ice

This guy is extremely offensive, and will most likely take out a lot of pokes before going down himself. If he does encounter something he doesn't really like though, he's got Thunder Wave/ Taunt to cripple them (unless you opt for focus blast. It's used mainly for ferrothorn and other elec resists. It's a slash on this though because you already have like 4 people who at least 2HKO ferro, so I doubt you'd really need it.) The problem though, is that he'll most likely end up killing himself from LO damage more often than he'll actually die to a move, but when you're trading him for like 3 of your opponent's pokes, it's not a bad deal.

Reuniclus

Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
Nature: Modest
252 Hp/ 252 SAtk/ 4 Def
Recover/ Shadow Ball
Calm Mind
Focus Blast
Psychic

Now you were probably going to use this or the trick room set (there isn't really anything else he's good at), but I'll tell you why this would be better: your teammates. Everyone bar 'Pert and 'Tran are fast, and because of this trick room would just be a very bad idea.

Now, why I recommended SR over Scarf:

You already have 2 other choiced pokemon. I'm not going to lie, 3 is 1-2 too many. Also, while the speed drop is slightly noticeable, you'll also be garnering more KOs with SR down, so IMO, the pros outweigh the cons.

Finally, SubDisable over SubSplit:

While I agree that you wouldn't have reliable recovery with SubDisable, you also have the ability to ruin choiced pokemon, which is a very good thing. Plus, Gengar isn't surviving very long anyway, and you'd also be able to ruin things like conklederp (especially him, actually), since he usually runs only 1 move that isn't fighting type. You can then proceed to sub again, and rape him with shadow ball.

Latias: I think I might try the Phazer set.

Breloom: Tbh idk if I wanna really give up the wide attacking coverage Virizion gives but having Spore seems really useful especially behind a Sub.

Thundurus: He's a great sweeper I'll admit that but he seems to be easily revenge-killed plus weaknesses to Rock and Ice maybe problematic for me in the end.

Reuniclus: I'm not too sure about not having any Defensive investments in the set you provided but it sees like it's worth trying.

Latios: Really liking the Choice set you provided right now although I replaced T-Bolt for Psyshock to get rid of Scarfed Terrakion and dent Conkledurr.

SubDisableGar: The ability to check Choice seems to be a good enough reason alone to use it not that you mentioned it, dunno why I didn't see it before lol

I too back the swap from 'Pert to Gastrodon.
I actually use Shuca Berry on my own Heatran, though this is because I have a way around Excadrill if it finds a way to set up. If you fear it a lot, then go ahead with Air Balloon. Just remember it becomes useless once Heatran takes a direct attack. Another thing on Heatran with rocks is use Modest over Timid. Without the Scarf, Heatran won't outspeed a ton of important things with Timid so the extra power is better.
I can vouch for the effectiveness for that Latias set. Only thing I have different is Recover in the 2nd slot for more staying power. Kills Specs Latios most of the time with a CM boost since Latios rarely runs perfect Speed IVs due to HP Fire(you'd have to run Surf on Latias to do this without any risk)

Is the Shuca SR set you're using 252 SAtk / 252 Spe or is it a custom one o.o?

Btw does anyone know a good 5th Gen Calc?

 

[Downf4ll]

Latias: I think I might try the Phazer set.

Breloom: Tbh idk if I wanna really give up the wide attacking coverage Virizion gives but having Spore seems really useful especially behind a Sub.

Thundurus: He's a great sweeper I'll admit that but he seems to be easily revenge-killed plus weaknesses to Rock and Ice maybe problematic for me in the end.

Reuniclus: I'm not too sure about not having any Defensive investments in the set you provided but it sees like it's worth trying.

Latios: Really liking the Choice set you provided right now although I replaced T-Bolt for Psyshock to get rid of Scarfed Terrakion and dent Conkledurr.

SubDisableGar: The ability to check Choice seems to be a good enough reason alone to use it not that you mentioned it, dunno why I didn't see it before lol

Btw does anyone know a good 5th Gen Calc?

Latias: Glad you like it! I always like latias better anyway, the Phazer set is a lot more useful than you'd believe.

Breloom: He only loses HP Ice, which isn't exactly a huge loss since you have Heatran and Latios, unless you really need a third way to kill Garchomp. Then again, I can't blame you, I hate that fucker >.>

Thundurus: Usually he's used as a lead, and it's actually a lot worse to revenge him for your opponent than for you. I mean consider this:
1. You kill your opponent's lead, and they bring in scarf latios or something to that effect.
2. You thunderwave. While this means that you died, you just crippled their main revenge killer, (and in this situation you prevented an unfortunate speed tie outcome with your own latios), and your sweeps will most likely be much, MUCH less hindered. That's basically a 2-for-1 deal, which I don't find that bad.

Reuniclus: I have to admit, defensive EVs would be a good idea, but I find that going for more than one CM never really works out the way you want to, so I EVed it the way I did so that it has enough power to destroy after just one.

Latios: Yea, he's a real powerhouse isn't he? Psyshock isn't really a good idea on a choice set though, or any psychic move for that matter. In fact, psychic would be better for killing herpderp and co. anyway, since they have higher defence.

Gengar: told ya :P

Also, you have stealth rocks and scarf on your heatran. Was that intentional? Since if it was then it's not a good idea :/

 

[EonX]

@Unknown001 yea it's a max Speed, max Special Attack EV spread with a Modest nature for more power on that Heatran. Base 75s rarely run a Speed boosting nature anyway.

 

[athleteandy1]

Having 3 Choice items (and only 1 of them knowing U-Turn) might be a tad unnecessary. I suggest you put Shuca or Balloon on your Tran instead of Scarf. Scarf with Rocks is not worth it. You already have another Scarfer, so why waste it on your Stealth Rocker? Also, on your Latios, with a little prediction or a special wall, he's not going to be dealing much damage. I advise either making him Modest with Scarf or Timid with Specs to get more power

 

[Unknown001]

@Downf4ll and @athleteandy1 yeah i think ima switch to modest Air Balloon Tran

on Latios: I'm not sure about Modest with Scarf because it would lose to Jolly Scarfed Terrakion/Hydregion (worse case scenario of not having reliable counters left)

 

[Downf4ll]

yea, keep timid. It also gives you an advantage against other possible scarf latios

 

[Unknown001]

Bump

Adjusted Virizion's EV spread and changed the threat list a bit