Gen 1 Persian (OU) [QC 2/2] [GP 2/2]

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[OVERVIEW]

Persian carves out a niche in RBY OU with access to the strongest STAB Slash in the game, allowing it to constantly fire off an effectively 140-Base Power STAB move that ignores Reflect. It's not limited to just Slash either; Persian's special coverage, bolstered by its 22.46% critical hit rate, means that it isn't simply countered by typical Normal-type answers like Rhydon and Cloyster. This lets it pressure cores reliant on Snorlax and Cloyster as their physical checks. Persian's great Speed also allows it to outrun Tauros and tie with Starmie, which makes it an effective revenge killer. When paired with the tier-king Tauros, Persian can form a powerful sweeping core that can be very difficult to stop late-game.

However, Persian should never be considered a replacement for the rampaging bull, and this is partly why it's never seen true OU prominence. Persian is very reliant on its Speed and, ergo, very weak to paralysis—moreso than Tauros—exposing its meager bulk and making revenge killing very difficult. Due to this weakness, Persian is often forced out by Thunder Wave users like Alakazam. As a result, Persian regularly mandates multiple Pokemon to fall back on while offering little to no defensive utility in return. Additionally, Persian is reliant on Slash to a fault, dealing middling damage using anything else. Because of these factors, Persian is by no means a standard in RBY OU, but it is nonetheless a viable pick for more offensive teams.

[SET]
name: Slash
move 1: Slash
move 2: Hyper Beam
move 3: Bubble Beam
move 4: Thunderbolt

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Slash is the main reason Persian is viable, effectively ignoring Reflect thanks to its near-guaranteed critical hit rate. Hyper Beam allows Persian to KO Pokemon like Starmie, Victreebel, and Chansey after using Slash. It's perfectly valid to use Hyper Beam as a last stand in a tight spot as well, which, with the critical hit rate considered, can even flip the situation on its head. Thunderbolt gives Persian a fighting chance against Slowbro and Cloyster, 3HKOing them. Bubble Beam allows Persian to 2HKO Rhydon, and the Speed drop chance can occasionally prove useful against faster switch-ins like Alakazam and Jolteon, which are then put into an awkward position.

Persian is very straightforward and should ideally be used as a mid-game revenge killer, often as a more expendable Tauros. However, Persian should never be revealed until Gengar is accounted for, so as to not give it an opportunity to switch in and fire off an uncontested Hypnosis. Remember that Persian is faster than Tauros, which gives it the potential to duel the king of RBY OU. In a similar vein, Persian is also an excellent late-game cleaner when the opposing team has been paralyzed and most Pokemon will ideally be in Slash range.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Persian's fourth moveslot is fairly expendable, but its movepool is far from impressive. Body Slam allows Persian to scout while spreading paralysis for its teammates, though the damage isn't impressive. However, it's more consistent than Hyper Beam while dealing significantly more damage than Slash if it lands a critical hit, making Persian more effective at getting past Reflect Snorlax. Alternatively, Screech can be used alongside Hyper Beam to OHKO Pokemon like Starmie, creating mind games to encourage switches. It also gives Persian a very helpful way of checking for Counter from Chansey and Snorlax, potentially getting it off for free. Thunder 2HKOes Cloyster and deals more damage to Starmie, but its consistency leaves much to be desired.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Gengar**: Persian can't fight Gengar at all, possessing only its special coverage to have even a hope in doing so. Even Thunder only has a vague chance to 5HKO it, so Persian is often forced out while giving Gengar free rein to use an uncontested Hypnosis or force damage onto your team. Ideally, Gengar should be accounted for and dispatched before even revealing Persian.

**Paralysis**: Persian can't handle paralysis, which makes its bulk much more apparent and easier to exploit. Worse still, being paralyzed completely diminishes Persian's potential to revenge kill, making it little more than food for opposing Snorlax and Tauros. Many Pokemon, like Exeggutor and Lapras, possess strong attacks that can even 2HKO it with little consequence when it's paralyzed.

**Starmie**: Starmie is capable of stomaching Slash + Hyper Beam while Speed tying Persian, which, on top of its access to Thunder Wave, makes it very capable of downing the cat. Persian is capable of winning against a paralyzed Starmie, but it will often rely on full paralysis to win from full HP.

**Snorlax**: Snorlax is capable of 2HKOing Persian with Body Slam if it's taken any prior damage, and Snorlax possesses the bulk necessary to stomach three hits of Slash. However, if Snorlax isn't healthy or is using Rest, Persian can use Snorlax as an opportunity to switch in and threaten to deal serious damage. If Reflect Snorlax attempts to stall Persian with continued uses of Rest, Persian does have a 6.5% chance to 3HKO with Slash, which can be realized in continued interactions.

**Exeggutor**: With its fantastic bulk, Exeggutor can win against Persian one-on-one, threatening with Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, or a 2HKO from Psychic. However, it will take massive damage in the process, often being forced to use Explosion much sooner than usual.

**Rhydon**: While 2HKOed by Bubble Beam, Rhydon is capable of threatening Persian, as it can 2HKO Persian with Earthquake while resisting Slash. Due to it effectively forcing Persian to use Bubble Beam, it can pivot to a specially bulky Pokemon like Alakazam to switch in with relative impunity unless a Speed drop occurs. Ergo, defeating Rhydon with Bubble Beam can actually be quite difficult, so Bubble Beam should be seen as a way to encourage it to switch out and force Slash damage onto the opposing team.

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- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
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Persian can pressure cores reliant on Snorlax and Cloyster as their primary physical checks quite effectively; this is genuinely high praise, though it suffers if it's forced to ever eat a hit. Include Starmie in the counters section, because it eats Slash + Hyper Beam, has a speed tie, and can Twave. Starmie beats everything.

- Bite to the first line of OO and spend ~two sentences describing why it's important and why it's useful.
- Starmie to #3 on the counters list.

After those are done, everything else looks good.

QC 2/2 Everything else about this post is check worthy but I want to resolve this issue.

edit: Bite's also kind of excessive when a Body Slam crit does the same thing; it can still be useful in some situations if it needs to fish for a bit of extra damage, and Persian has the speed to pull it off. Paraed Starmie can be Bitten after switching into a slash to put them into range for another Slash, since they are very pressured to recover. Pulling the check for now because this discussion is interesting, and I want to see where we end up.

 
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Slash
Hyper Beam / Body Slam
Bubble Beam
Thunderbolt / Body Slam

Or Slam as OO, as it's the best option to KO RestReflectLax & force it to just loop with no option.
 
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[OVERVIEW]

Persian carves out a niche in RBY OU with access to the strongest STAB Slash in the game, allowing it to constantly fire off an effectively 140 Base Power STAB move that ignores Reflect. It's not limited to just Slash either; Persian's access to special coverage, bolstered by a 22.46% critical hit rate, means that it isn't simply countered by Normal checks like Rhydon and Cloyster. This lets it pressure cores reliant on Snorlax and Cloyster as their physical checks. Persian's great Speed also allows it to outrun Tauros and tie with Starmie too, which makes it an effective revenge killer. All things considered, alongside tier-king Tauros, Persian can form a powerful sweeping core that can be very difficult to stop late-game. (removed extra line break below)

However, Persian should never be considered a replacement for the rampaging bull, and this is partly why it's never seen true OU prominence. Persian is very reliant on its Speed, and, (AC) ergo, equally very (nitpicky, but "more than tauros" primes one to think "what pokemon was equally weak to para as cat) weak to paralysis—moreso than Tauros—exposing its meagre meager bulk and making revenge killing very difficult. Due to this weakness, Persian is often forced out by Pokemon like Alakazam by with the threat of Thunder Wave. As a result, Persian regularly mandates multiple Pokemon to fall back on while offering little to no defensive utility in return. Additionally, Persian is reliant on Slash to a fault, dealing middling damage using anything else. Because of these factors, Persian is by no means a standard in RBY OU, but is nonetheless a viable pick for more offensive teams.

[SET]
name: Slash
move 1: Slash
move 2: Hyper Beam
move 3: Bubble Beam
move 4: Thunderbolt

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Slash is the main reason Persian is viable, effectively ignoring Reflect thanks to its near-guaranteed critical hit rate. Hyper Beam allows Persian to secure KOs thanks to being just a bit more powerful than Slash, KOing Pokemon like Starmie, Victreebel, and Chansey after using it Slash. It's perfectly valid to use Hyper Beam as a final goodbye last stand (clarity. feel free to tinker, but i changed bc the big association with beam and "final goodbye" idea is finishing off foes to avoid recharge) in a tight spot as well, (AC) which, with the critical hit rate considered, can even flip the situation on its head. Thunderbolt gives Persian a fighting chance against Slowbro and Cloyster, 3HKOing them. Bubble Beam allows Persian to 2HKO Rhydon, and the Speed drop chance can occasionally prove useful against faster switch-ins like Alakazam and Jolteon, which are then put into an awkward position.

Persian is very straightforward and should ideally be used as a mid-game revenge killer, often as a more expendable Tauros. However, Persian should never be revealed until Gengar is accounted for, so as to not give it an opportunity to switch in and fire off an uncontested Hypnosis. It should be remembered Remember that Persian is faster than Tauros, which gives it the potential to duel the king of RBY OU. In a similar vein, Persian is also an excellent late-game cleaner, where when the opposing team has been paralyzed and most Pokemon will ideally be in Slash range.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Persian's fourth moveslot is fairly expendable, but its movepool is far from impressive. Body Slam allows Persian to scout while spreading paralysis for its teammates, though the damage isn't impressive. However, it's also helpful for being more consistent than Hyper Beam while dealing significantly more damage than Slash if it lands a critical hit, making Persian more effective at getting past Reflect Snorlax. Alternatively, Screech can be used alongside Hyper Beam to OHKO Pokemon like Starmie, creating 50/50 (colon -> slash) situations to encourage switches. It also gives Persian a very helpful way of checking for Counter from Chansey and Snorlax, potentially getting it off for free. Finally, Thunder is a valid option for 2HKOing Cloyster and dealing more damage to Starmie, but its consistency leaves much to be desired.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Gengar**: Persian can't fight Gengar at all, possessing only its special coverage to have even a hope in doing so. Even Thunder only has a vague chance to 5HKO it, so Persian is often forced out while giving Gengar free rein to use an uncontested Hypnosis or force damage onto your team. Ideally, Gengar should be accounted for and dispatched before even revealing Persian.

**Paralysis**: Persian can't handle paralysis, making which makes (unless you mean that its inability to handle is what exposes the bulk) its bulk much more apparent and easier to exploit. Worse still, this being paralyzed completely diminishes Persian's potential to revenge kill, making it little more than food for opposing Snorlax and Tauros. Many Pokemon, like Exeggutor and Lapras, possess strong attacks that can even 2HKO it with little consequence when it's paralyzed.

**Starmie**: Starmie is capable of stomaching Slash + Hyper Beam while Speed tying Persian, which, (AC) on top of its access to Thunder Wave, makes it very capable of putting the cat down downing the cat. (to make it sound a bit less like... euthanizing a pet. feel free to tinker) Persian is capable of winning against a paralyzed Starmie, but will often rely on full paralysis to win from full HP.

**Snorlax**: Snorlax is capable of 2HKOing Persian with Body Slam if it's taken any prior damage, and it possesses the bulk necessary to stomach 3 three hits of Slash. However, if Snorlax isn't healthy or in the middle of is asleep from (I imagine?) using Rest, Persian can use Snorlax as an opportunity to switch in and threaten to deal serious damage. If Reflect Snorlax attempts to stall Persian with continued Rests, Persian does have a 6.5% chance to 3HKO with Slash, which can be realized in continued interactions.

**Exeggutor**: With its fantastic bulk, Exeggutor can win against Persian one-on-one, threatening with either Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, or a 2HKO from Psychic. However, it will take massive damage in the process, often being forced to Explode much sooner than usual.

**Rhydon**: While 2HKOed by Bubble Beam, Rhydon is capable of threatening Persian, as it can 2HKO it with Earthquake while resisting Slash. Due to it effectively forcing Persian to use Bubble Beam, it can pivot to a specially bulky Pokemon like Alakazam to switch in with relative impunity unless a Speed drop occurs. Ergo, defeating Rhydon with Bubble Beam can actually be quite difficult, so it Bubble Beam should be seen as a way to encourage it to switch out and force Slash damage onto the opposing team.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[Amaranth, 265630], [Nails, 51373]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

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However, if Snorlax isn't healthy or in the middle of is asleep from (I imagine?) using Rest, Persian can use Snorlax as an opportunity to switch in and threaten to deal serious damage.
Implemented except the above quote, which is meant to imply switching in on the turn Snorlax uses Rest. Otherwise, it's difficult to try and score the 3HKO. Lmk if you want it worded differently.

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[OVERVIEW]

Persian carves out a niche in RBY OU with access to the strongest STAB Slash in the game, allowing it to constantly fire off an effectively 140 Base 140-Base Power STAB move that ignores Reflect. It's not limited to just Slash either; Persian's access to special coverage, bolstered by a its 22.46% critical hit rate, means that it isn't simply countered by Normal checks typical Normal-type answers like Rhydon and Cloyster. This lets it pressure cores reliant on Snorlax and Cloyster as their physical checks. Persian's great Speed also allows it to outrun Tauros and tie with Starmie too, which makes it an effective revenge killer. All things considered, alongside When paired with the tier-king Tauros, Persian can form a powerful sweeping core that can be very difficult to stop late-game.

However, Persian should never be considered a replacement for the rampaging bull, and this is partly why it's never seen true OU prominence. Persian is very reliant on its Speed, (RC) and, ergo, very weak to paralysis—moreso than Tauros—exposing its meager bulk and making revenge killing very difficult. Due to this weakness, Persian is often forced out by Pokemon Thunder Wave users like Alakazam with the threat of Thunder Wave. As a result, Persian regularly mandates multiple Pokemon to fall back on while offering little to no defensive utility in return. Additionally, Persian is reliant on Slash to a fault, dealing middling damage using anything else. Because of these factors, Persian is by no means a standard in RBY OU, but it is nonetheless a viable pick for more offensive teams.

[SET]
name: Slash
move 1: Slash
move 2: Hyper Beam
move 3: Bubble Beam
move 4: Thunderbolt

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Slash is the main reason Persian is viable, effectively ignoring Reflect thanks to its near-guaranteed critical hit rate. Hyper Beam allows Persian to secure KOs thanks to being just a bit more powerful than Slash, KOing KO Pokemon like Starmie, Victreebel, and Chansey after using Slash. It's perfectly valid to use Hyper Beam as a last stand in a tight spot as well, which, with the critical hit rate considered, can even flip the situation on its head. Thunderbolt gives Persian a fighting chance against Slowbro and Cloyster, 3HKOing them. Bubble Beam allows Persian to 2HKO Rhydon, and the Speed drop chance can occasionally prove useful against faster switch-ins like Alakazam and Jolteon, which are then put into an awkward position.

Persian is very straightforward and should ideally be used as a mid-game revenge killer, often as a more expendable Tauros. However, Persian should never be revealed until Gengar is accounted for, so as to not give it an opportunity to switch in and fire off an uncontested Hypnosis. Remember that Persian is faster than Tauros, which gives it the potential to duel the king of RBY OU. In a similar vein, Persian is also an excellent late-game cleaner, (RC) when the opposing team has been paralyzed and most Pokemon will ideally be in Slash range.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Persian's fourth moveslot is fairly expendable, but its movepool is far from impressive. Body Slam allows Persian to scout while spreading paralysis for its teammates, though the damage isn't impressive. However, it's also helpful for being more consistent than Hyper Beam while dealing significantly more damage than Slash if it lands a critical hit, making Persian more effective at getting past Reflect Snorlax. Alternatively, Screech can be used alongside Hyper Beam to OHKO Pokemon like Starmie, creating 50/50 situations mind games to encourage switches. It also gives Persian a very helpful way of checking for Counter from Chansey and Snorlax, potentially getting it off for free. Finally, Thunder is a valid option for 2HKOing 2HKOes Cloyster and dealing deals more damage to Starmie, but its consistency leaves much to be desired.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Gengar**: Persian can't fight Gengar at all, possessing only its special coverage to have even a hope in doing so. Even Thunder only has a vague chance to 5HKO it, so Persian is often forced out while giving Gengar free rein to use an uncontested Hypnosis or force damage onto your team. Ideally, Gengar should be accounted for and dispatched before even revealing Persian.

**Paralysis**: Persian can't handle paralysis, which makes its bulk much more apparent and easier to exploit. Worse still, being paralyzed completely diminishes Persian's potential to revenge kill, making it little more than food for opposing Snorlax and Tauros. Many Pokemon, like Exeggutor and Lapras, possess strong attacks that can even 2HKO it with little consequence when it's paralyzed.

**Starmie**: Starmie is capable of stomaching Slash + Hyper Beam while Speed tying Persian, which, on top of its access to Thunder Wave, makes it very capable of downing the cat. Persian is capable of winning against a paralyzed Starmie, but it will often rely on full paralysis to win from full HP.

**Snorlax**: Snorlax is capable of 2HKOing Persian with Body Slam if it's taken any prior damage, and it Snorlax possesses the bulk necessary to stomach three hits of Slash. However, if Snorlax isn't healthy or is using Rest, Persian can use Snorlax as an opportunity to switch in and threaten to deal serious damage. If Reflect Snorlax attempts to stall Persian with continued Rests uses of Rest, Persian does have a 6.5% chance to 3HKO with Slash, which can be realized in continued interactions.

**Exeggutor**: With its fantastic bulk, Exeggutor can win against Persian one-on-one, threatening with either Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, or a 2HKO from Psychic. However, it will take massive damage in the process, often being forced to Explode use Explosion much sooner than usual.

**Rhydon**: While 2HKOed by Bubble Beam, Rhydon is capable of threatening Persian, as it can 2HKO it Persian with Earthquake while resisting Slash. Due to it effectively forcing Persian to use Bubble Beam, it can pivot to a specially bulky Pokemon like Alakazam to switch in with relative impunity unless a Speed drop occurs. Ergo, defeating Rhydon with Bubble Beam can actually be quite difficult, so Bubble Beam should be seen as a way to encourage it to switch out and force Slash damage onto the opposing team.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[Amaranth, 265630], [Nails, 51373]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [A Cake Wearing A Hat, 388157]]

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