Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records

Peterko · Aug 22, 2009

that´s exactly what I was talking about, the the AI always finds a way, no matter how absolutely absurd and improbable it has to be...

sorry man, you know that we know that you deserve 500 like noone else does and at first I thought it was another "insanely awful start, happy end" post, but it wasn´t (and I called CH sky attack note: my tests din´t show it though, right when reading that moltres started to glow, it´s a high CH move and with the improved ratio it always does), so 500 is kind of a magical streak number now :/

very nice read of course, that´s the way the best aproaches battles to minimalize the low % of losing, would´ve been a perfect post #1000 in this topic if you´d have waited for a few more posts ;)

as for my challenges, despite them being very poor so far, I am not giving up

the team is very solid and I didn´t theorymon all of the leads which was a mistake, because charming staraptor is the way to go, only the CB one can "harm" steel (cc) and it will lock itself into brave bird anyway...so it was my mistake again and machamp´s cross chops can get and will get CHs, because of the improved hax the AI has on its side

...I know this is worth nothing at such low streaks, but I missed two +6 outrages in a row yesterday against powder charizard which was also mean

good luck with CLS in the plat. frontier, believe me, the hax there is even worse without your battle armor :o

Shelcario · Aug 22, 2009

Too bad Jumpman about the 1 battle away from the 500 mark, so I'm guessing you're giving up playing the Pearl battle Tower?

NinRac · Aug 22, 2009

:: finishes a deep exhale::

Wow....that was an intense read, Jumpman. Just...where to begin but Battle Tower seems like a cruel taunting game towards the players daring them to "just go a little further" until it finally sets you to a goal where your goal is high enough that the A.I. has enough time to finally setup that unimaginable odds to finally trick your near perfect setup. I still applaude your hard work because it is still a challenge to all of us as "to dethrone the king, be ready for a VERY long haul to truly define yourself".

But this is why I'm going to keep trying to beat any of your records in any part I can since I doubt I'll reach any of your battle tower records this generation.

Jumpman16 · Aug 22, 2009

Coronis said:
Ah, poor Jumpman, 1 battle away is always the worst. It would be kinda cool if you did get struck by lightning(and survive) this year as well. Those percentages must have taken a lot of calculating. At least now you can get to work on the platinum frontier:P

yeah, i dont post that if it happens at 470 or like 511...might get something similar at 501 but i really doubt i care since i knew this was my last stand

Peterko said:
sorry man, you know that we know that you deserve 500 like noone else does and at first I thought it was another "insanely awful start, happy end" post, but it wasn´t (and I called CH sky attack note: my tests din´t show it though, right when reading that moltres started to glow, it´s a high CH move and with the improved ratio it always does), so 500 is kind of a magical streak number now :/

very nice read of course, that´s the way the best aproaches battles to minimalize the low % of losing, would´ve been a perfect post #1000 in this topic if you´d have waited for a few more posts ;)

thanks...also sky attack isnt a high ch move, it has a chance to flinch, unless it's the BT where the CH chance is like 25% anyway lol

plat should be "fun" i guess, pokemon sucks and going for record is inherently not fun =/

Shelcario said:
Too bad Jumpman about the 1 battle away from the 500 mark, so I'm guessing you're giving up playing the Pearl battle Tower?

yeah there's no point, i'll just take out my "anger" on plat. like i said at the end i dont need that much luck against me to lose and what's the point of trying to break 500 again when i already have the record? would rather play plat

lati0s · Aug 22, 2009

"Add" this all up and you have a 0.00000369557% chance of a loss"

That is actually an extremely misleading statistic because it is not the chance that you would have lost the battle, it is the chance that you would have lost the battle in the exact way you did. Don't think that they are they same. There are a lot of other unlucky scenarios that could have led to a loss, you didn't even know if latios would be able to beat his last pokemon even if it didn't get critted.

good job anyway, and too bad about the hax.

Peterko · Aug 22, 2009

and post #999 in this topic goes to none other than METAGROSS

battle #72, ace trainer set4

latias vs metagross
R1: latias used trick, metagross used meteor mash, CH, latias fainted, attack boost #1
registeel vs metagross
R2: metagross used meteor mash, attack boost #2, registeel used curse
R3: metagross used meteor mash, registeel used curse
R4: metagross used meteor mash, attack boost #3, registeel used curse
R5: metagross used meteor mash, attack boost #4, registeel used curse
R6: metagross used meteor mash, registeel used curse
R7: metagross used meteor mash, registeel used iron head
R8: metagross used meteor mash, registeel used iron head
R9: metagross used meteor mash, registeel fainted
garchomp vs metagross
R10: garchomp used earthquake, metagross fainted
garchomp vs walrein
R11: garchomp used outrage, walrein used ice beam, garchomp fainted

...how´s that? a CH and 4 attack boosts in 5 rounds, that´s kind of cool, don´t you think?

the team worked absolutely perfect until this moment but please tell me what anyone could do against this? way to waste hours of time for nothing, again (39 + 72 battles today)

EDIT: saved the battle and watched it, boost #3 and #4 were one after another so 4 boosts in 5 rounds ._.
anyway, I think I should have gone to garchomp, SD and earthquake (+1 MM does 172 max to my chomp), +2 outrage would´ve OHKOed walrein as well...hmm so a different approach maybe next time?
the thing with latias is that I gave it purposely 158 speed to outspeed some 105 ones after trick etc. and with timid I can´t EV my latias so that it 100% survives a CH MM turn1 which sucks...yeah I could lower speed and raise def, but then it´s like a 50/50 OHKO if he CHs

Chinese Dood · Aug 22, 2009

Peterko said:
R10: garchomp used earthquake, metagross fainted
garchomp vs walrein
R11: garchomp used outrage, walrein used ice beam, metagross fainted

I liked how you hated metagross so much that you had him faint twice hehe. But yah, that's pretty ridiculous.

darkseeker4 · Aug 23, 2009

Well congrats jumpman on your crazy streak and to bad that you could'nt hit 500 but yeah the last few posts have been examples of how ridiculous and unforgiving the battle tower can really be.

And just a thought.Bibarel counters metagross pretty well being half water and having the ability to ignore stat changes or double it's own.If only it had aqua jet it would be uber :p

Peterko · Aug 23, 2009

bibarel gets quick attack (and waterfall)

if a registeel doesn´t beat (set up on) a metagross locked into MM then nothing does

as for the other two succesful trick teams (you know which ones I am talking about), the tricksters may not die turn1 to the CH and manage a t-wave, but seriously you can´t set up on that thing with scizor, hell, even the struggles are deadly...

yeah I´m mass trading items to diamond right and will restart the game after catching a few leggies, I know it won´t help because it´s not my trainer ID or anything, it´s the awfully improved AI hax

EDIT: @ below, there are still CHs and bibarel is not usable...just try to make a moveset that both beats metagross and doesn´t suck against the rest of the BT ;)

darkseeker4 · Aug 23, 2009

if a registeel doesn´t beat a metagross locked into MM then nothing does

registeel lost cause of attack boosts bibarel has hope with unaware and rest :/

@above,you have a point guess It can counter metagoss but cannot counter a whole lot of the tower.Cause sub/rest takes up 2 slots and without rest then curse amnesia is there but then only one slot for attacking which cannot be quick attack,so yeah no hope!

lone · Aug 23, 2009

Here is something I've been theorymoning for a while, but have not yet got around to breeding ingame to test out. Note that this is for use in the Battle Hall.

Battle Hall Weavile

Adamant-Focus Sash
252 Att, 252 Speed, 4 Hp
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch/Fake Out/Ice Shard
-Counter

Basically this Weavile using solid STAB coverage busts through a majority of the enemies in the Battle Hall with its 372 Attack and 349 Speed. Adamant is greatly preferred here since you need all the attack you can get, and also since even with a neutral nature you are only outsped by 5 things (Dugtrio, Alakazam, Crobat, Electrode, and Ninjask.)

I've been looking over the list and the biggest obstacles and here are what I have so far.

H411 | Scizor | Brave | Focus Sash | Swords Dance | X-Scissor | Counter | Bullet Punch | HP/Atk

The King of OU usage gives Weavile some problems, but not because of what it can do but because of what Weavile can't do. With Counter+Ice Shard/Fake Out you will beat Scizor 100% of the time, but that isn't the issue. The issue is by using one of the priorities over Ice Punch you may beat Scizor but you are much more open to Fighting types such as Machamp and Hariyama, as well as the surplus of bulky Grounds.

H449 | Bronzong | Quiet | Leftovers | Extrasensory | Flash Cannon | Trick Room | Protect | Def/SpA

If Bronzong was physically based it would be a piece of cake, but unfortunately it is of the special variety. As an added bonus, it is EV'd in defense which means Night Slash is at best a 3HKO after a Fake Out, and there is the possibility that leftovers make it a 4HKO, especially since this lovely thing has Protect to rack up some leftovers. For this particular battle your honestly best bet is praying that the 25% critical hit chance lands and you knock this one down.

Will be updated as I run more calcs and get more data. I should have this thing ingame ready to go in a day or two max, so expect more info then.

Comments are welcome.

Peterko · Aug 23, 2009

lone · Aug 23, 2009

Wow....when you theorymon you really do theorymon. Thanks a ton for all that, and even though you have pointed out a lot more threats than I had found so far I still think I'm going to actually test it ingame, maybe I'll get lucky. Really lucky.

Jumpman16 · Aug 23, 2009

Peterko said:
the team worked absolutely perfect until this moment but please tell me what anyone could do against this? way to waste hours of time for nothing, again (39 + 72 battles today)

yeah, i would have gone with garchomp there with an unparalyzed metagross, i'd want metagross off my screen and would want to cut my losses asap. i think only weavile can kill +2 unsubbed garchomp and then registeel will be able to set up against that. as it played out you could have OHKOed walrein with +2 outrage (102% min, and i wont insult you by assuming anything less than a 31 Atk IV) and had a shot against poke three. if you're jolly you outspeed stuff like starmie #4 and froslass #4 on turn two or three so it's less problematic. garchomp is actually probably better than scizor as far as "one turn of setup" is concerned, and the stuff that CAN survive like skarmory and bronzong are every bit as owned by registeel as the threats to scizor are by latios

also optimal EV latias has max defense, enough speed to outspeed metagross after the trick to tw it, and rest in HP, and with max IVs a CH MM will only kill 41% of the time, so idk your latias IVs but your EVs should stll put latias at 136 speed, max defense and put the rest in HP

metagross sucks though, it's the main reason i was at first so happy to play with my metatarsal (metagross/tyranitar/salamence) team since i'd trick it into EQ. and not that it would have made much of a difference in this battle but i just looked at what gets lucky chant and both togekiss and mesprit do, there might be a viable trick team there somewhere...mesprit gets skill swap and charm too lol, also flash (direct fuck you to metagross and regice)...if i cared i might try to make a trick team with this poke, it gets everything cresselia does...i'd consider like tw/skill swap/charm/lucky chant or something (i know, "where did trick go")

Peterko said:
if a registeel doesn´t beat (set up on) a metagross locked into MM then nothing does

as for the other two succesful trick teams (you know which ones I am talking about), the tricksters may not die turn1 to the CH and manage a t-wave, but seriously you can´t set up on that thing with scizor, hell, even the struggles are deadly...

yeah even then I swords dance twice and kill almost every time with superpower, cress will reflect turn two after not getting killed by CH turn one but probably dying turn two etc

Peterko · Aug 23, 2009

yeah I know that 136 speed is the way to go, the problem is that I can´t magically create a new latias just like that, have to work with what I have

it´s the same latias as always, 29-2-29-29-31-31 timid

my current spread makes these stats: 185-77-129-129-150-158

speed may be overkill, but timid is a waste otherwise (143 min) and there are some 100 and 105 speed things I like to outspeed after trick :/

if I went 252 / 252 I´d get 186 HP and 141 def (although I like my HP to be odd, SE unSTABed hits...)

meta CH MM against 141 def = 165-195 / 186

hmm rand needs to be 96,97,98,99 or 100 (31,25%)...but who says he won´t get that when the time comes?

garchomp is jolly 29-31-31-9-31-31 but in that moment I got CHed with a boost (it was really late and I did another round just because) I thought hell please registeel set up somehow...chomp didn´t even cross my mind, only after that battle, while I was brushing my teeth, analyzing what happened...

it seems I lost my killer instinct...actually it´s there when I use the starmie team to run (basically hit and damage as much as you can, don´t switch unless it´s an electric attack for garchomp)...so yeah 3vs3 is about killing before being killed, this concept I was used to...it´s difficult for me to use a trick team

also I didn´t "risk" to sub against that monster´s last meteor mash (I considered it though), because, you know, if it didn´t miss 9/9, why would it miss the last one?

EDIT: I´d bet my money on arcanine4 as the last pokémon in that match :D, extremespeed and then flare blitz steel lol

bloodghoul · Aug 24, 2009

ok ill ask this here as i didnt get any luck in the simple questions thread and someone told me to try here.
I am just wondering do you think this team would be good enough to get the coloured print in the battle tower??

Gengar @ Focus Sash Modest
4 HP - 252 SpA - 252 Spe
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Destiny Bond

Latios @ Life Orb Timid
6 HP - 252 SpA - 252 Spe
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Thunderbolt
~ Surf
~ Draco Meteor

Scizor @ Leftovers Adamant w/ Technician
76 HP - 252 Atk - 180 Spd
Bullet Punch
Superpower
Swords Dance
Roost

Gengar is there for the kill with Destiny Bond if nothing else. But maybe two kills with a super effective hit on the opponents lead.
Latios with the Life Orb for the switching of moves and the really good SpA
Scizor is there for the physical attacking power and after a Sword Dance most things are crippled by Bullet Punch. SuperPower for move type coverage. Roost is there for some survivability.

Thanks for the Help
BloodGhoul

darkseeker4 · Aug 24, 2009

@Bloodghoul.Definatly good enough to get to 50 though you might want to try counter>focus blast on gengar.

I just tryed doubles in castle and lost at 17,18,and 20 because I plus 5 levels and not heal myself after so many battles eventually killing me so I am going to do it till about 15 and then play normally.
I tryed the same with arcade and lost at 41 cause I was tired after playing so much and hit the team switch panel by mistake.
It's truly heartbreaking when you lose so low as so much time and energy is wasted!

Peterko · Aug 24, 2009

broke the curse of the seventies and am past 100 somewhere (like 112)...

didn´t have to face such an evil whore like the metagross from last time, but a heracross got 2 CH megahorns in a row against registeel, thankfully the first one on a sub, but still :/

then of course for the first time I had to face trick failing turn1 (4times total), right off the bat at #50 lol against the powder luca, later when I faced the same one again I missed twice in a row and he got a CH flash cannon (that´s already way under 1% isn´t it?) but latias somehow lived with like 3 HP (don´t remember correctly) and pulled the trick on turn3

regi also faced an ice punch freeze and many many CHs, but not gamebreaking

the worst and closest game was because I seriously messed up when I tricked the scarf onto a lopunny who got a CH ice punch (set4) and was faster even without scarf working (so I didn´t know if it actually had klutz or not), so the second ice punch fainted latias
- registeel came in and lopunny fire punched me of course, damn...somehow there was the unsubbed, 3curse registeel against a fire punching bunny and I went ahead and steel used all of its out-of-this-world-hardness to headbutt with a CH yay
- no need to make a party as any special fire toasts me at this point...foe sent out granbull (now I see it´s the set4 trainer with supposedly 21 IVs), dmg calc shows that LO close combat does 58 max and I was at 98...he did CC 57 damage and LO and -1 def meant another iron head KO
- last pokémon porygon-z and I missed the message but logically it was download raised its spA as def was +3 and no amnesia has been used...thunderbolt fainted the 52HP registeel
- now I´m screwed I thought to myself, he OHKO´s chomp and I have a feeling that outrage won´t be enough...dmg calc, I need rand 99 and 100 good lord, but then I remember that Zet doesn´t have flawless IVs and now the dmg calc looks a tad more positive
vs 155Hp/85def = 145-172 damage (now this is if zet´s IVs are really 21 and not 24)
- outrage, praying ... ... ... porygon-z fainted

#112 was against a PI and he opened with uber walrein, good thing trick didn´t miss because his sheer cold didn´t either, then I set up garchomp and won 2-0, walrein hit 2/5 sheer colds though

hmm this is what I´ve been thinking about, if the factory is +4 IVs each round, then it´s 24 and 31 and not 21 and 31 like in emerald and DP, right? I´m not sure how we will figure this one out

maybe by counting the struggle turns when I face one of those trainers?

yeah what to do against a lopunny? I´ve already decided to charm muk and also gastro (switch back and forth between lati & steel if it´s the special set4 one)

[size=-2]391, Lopunny 1, Jolly, Focus Band, 140, 128, 104, 66, 116, 172, Return, Drain Punch, Charm, Mirror Coat, Attk/Speed
527, Lopunny 2, Jolly, BrightPowder, 172, 96, 104, 66, 116, 172, Focus Punch, Sweet Kiss, Attract, Thunder Wave, HP/Speed
663, Lopunny 3, Modest, Wise Glasses, 140, 86, 104, 116, 116, 157, Charge Beam, Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Sp.Attk/Speed
799, Lopunny 4, Jolly, Muscle Band, 140, 128, 104, 66, 116, 172, Dizzy Punch, Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Attk/Speed[/size]

hmm set 1, 2 and 4 are physical (set2 is hell)...set 3 will ice beam latias then I´ll switch to registeel and try to PP waste focus blast or something, after that it´s amnesia and gg
charming 1 and 4 will ease time for my other two...set 2 is just crazy... out of those 3 annoy moves it could use any...I should manage three charms but it´s faster than garchomp damn it, hopefully it won´t be a male bunny ._.
a -6 focus punch does 20 damage to my registeel and that´s unboosted lol

Zog · Aug 24, 2009

So I've been wifi battletowering with a trick team this afternoon and I just can't crack rank 4. It's full of scarf Togekisses and I can't do anything without being gayed by flinches, crits, freezes or two of those at the same time. The hax is just intolerable. Pretty much every other move of theirs crits, and if it's a high-crit move like Night Slash I can basically rely on it. Stuff like 7 air slashes flinching me in a row, 2 of them being crits and every single one of those flinches being crucial. It's just stupid.

Any recommendations? I'm using a trickscarf Uxie, a bulky DD Gyarados and a sashed Garchomp.

Pocket · Aug 24, 2009

If you have an Air Slash resist you can survive long enough to retaliate. Zapdos and Rotom-A have the benefit of resisting Aura Sphere, as well. You can scarf them to outrun Togekiss. Scarf TTar can work, too, also activating Garchomp's sand veil as a bonus.

I am brainstorming a Battle Tower team after prematurely ending my Togekiss streak at 180 (Did not expect the Golduck to be faster than my Timid Togekiss; yea, togepi was caught in the wild x[) Any comments on how good it would be? Assume perfect IVs for now... (even though Azelf's far from perfect in the speed department).

Azelf @ CSpecs / CScarf
max SAtk / max Spe
~Psychic
~Flamethrower
~Trick
~Signal Beam / Explosion

It would be pretty devastating if I give it CSpecs, but I may have to give it Scarf to be on the safe side. Psychic + Fire for coverage; Signal Beam is for more coverage against Psychic + Dark Types or Explosion to take 1 pokemon down. I know this isn't the totally abusive Trickster, but I just liked Trick locking the opponent's moves and preventing set-up while still keeping offense.

Heatran @ LOrb
max SAtk / max Spe
Timid
~Fire Blast / Flamethrower
~Earth Power
~HP Grass
~Substitute

Yes, it is august's featured Heatran on the Smog! It looks nice, so I am glad I am able to put him in. I think I would want Fire Blast for as much power against the dragons / Gyarados. Azelf covers Heatran's Fighting & Ground weakness sort of. Heatran, being a steel type, has no problem covering weaknesses of its team mates.

Quagsire @ Expert Belt / Leftovers
Water Absorb
max HP / max Atk for now
Adamant most likely
~Earthquake
~Ice Punch (wtf no Avalanche... that ruins this set kinda)
~Stone-Edge
~Yawn / Encore

Quagsire because of water immunity and Rock resist without any weakness to hard-hitting types like electric, psychic, or bug. Additionally it is one of the more reliable Gyarados & Tyranitar counters. Yawn / Encore to partially immobolize threats that Quagsire cannot handle and providing a safer switch to Azelf / Heatran.

I have no doubt that Azelf and Heatran will pull through, but the potential of Quagsire in Battle Tower is still uncertain. It does have nice versatility in its offense and support moves, as well as a nice synergistic combination of its typing to its ability. However its stats are sub-par. If I don't catch or breed a perfect-IV Quagsire, it may fail to dent the opposing force.

So I have thought up of other candidates that are less sturdy but have reliable killing power.

Victreebel @ FSash
lots in Atk / some in SAtk / max Spe
Hasty / Naive
Leaf Blade
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Stun Spore / Sunny Day

Breloom @ FSash
max Atk / max Spe
Adamant / Jolly
~Spore
~Focus Punch
~Seed Bomb
~Stone-Edge

Two grassers with the main purpose of annihilating Tyranitar and Water Pokemon. Sleep moves are a great supplement to their offensive power as well.

For Victreebel, I think I prefer Leaf Blade over Solar Beam, because at least that would provide me one solid physical Attack to hit hard against special sponges, which are most Waters and Tyranitars (sandstream boosts). Victreebel would also not have to worry about stupid Mirror Coat, too. Sunny Day is only an option, because I can easily make Heatran learn Sunny Day over HP Grass. Heatran can even afford to hold a Heat Rock since Sunny Day provides a much better boost than Life Orb. There's the Rock / Ground and Water Types, but that's what Victreebel is for.

If I should choose Breloom or Sunny Day Victreebel I may want HP Electric on Heatran, since I lost a reliable counter for Gyarados. I haven't caught my Heatran yet, so I can still make the choice between Electric and Grass hidden powers. Thanks for any opinions

-GZ- · Aug 24, 2009

Well, I just got pretty far on the battle tower(doubles), I got to a streak of 84 With the following team:

Salamence@Focus Sash
Rash
252spe,252spA,6attack

-Draco Meteor
-Earthquake
-Heat Wave
-Brick Break

+

Cresselia@Lum
Bold
252def,252HP,6spA

-Signal Beam
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Rest

+

Metagross@Occa Berry
Adamant
252attack,252def,6HP

-Meteor Mash
-Bullet Punch
-Earthquake
-Explosion

+

Abamosnow@Choice Scarf
Timid
252spe,252spA,6HP

-Blizzard
-Ice Shard
-Energy Ball
-Protect(lol)

I was planning on throwing Occa on Abamo but whatever, so I got to the 84th battle and I was about to win I think vs. Exeggutor, so it was down to my Cresselia and Metagross vs. Exeggutor Butu I was afraid that Exeggutor might get annoying. So I used Rest with Cresselia to get to full health to endure Metagross' Explosion(which has worked before) but it killed my Cress! I wasnt even thinking haha.

The Video Number is 91-83735-87341 if anyone would like to watch it.

Alex Practice · Aug 25, 2009

I just got the silver Print for beating Palmer for the first time with an AMAZING team so hopefully I'll be posting that when it gets ~100 wins :)

As for a streak I HAVE done...I just finished a 128 streak in the Platinum Battle Tower (Double Battles.)

This is the team:

Zapdos @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moveset:
~Discharge
~Heat Wave
~Thunderbolt
~Detect

Originally Chesto Berry, but I found that hardly ANYTHING got the chance to put me to sleep before dying. Life Orb just improved that chance. Thunderbolt seems redundant but doesn't hit my partner (If I have, say, Metagross out) and is stronger on a single target that I want to get rid of such as Walrein. Detect for blocking random Stone Edges while my Garchomp rapes face.

Adapted from zerowing's vgc team.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moveset:
~Earthquake
~Rock Slide
~Dragon Claw
~Protect

Isn't affected by Discharge, while Zapdos isn't effected by Earthquake. It's a pretty awesome combo. Yache Berry prevents things from OHKOing with Ice Beam (namely Latias/Latios) while Rock Slide is for more widespread damage that hits targets immune to EQ.

Metagross @ Lum Berry
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 6 Def
Moveset:
~Meteor Mash
~Earthquake
~Bullet Punch
~Protect

Protect is just good in doubles period but also prevents him from being damage by teammates. He's my first switch in after a knockout to revenge kill. Not much to say here. He works well. Lum Berry because he's my switch in to Ice attacks and he hates being frozen on the switch.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Moveset:
~Heat Wave
~Earth Power
~Dragon Pulse
~Explosion

Heatran is another Pokemon that can attack all enemies, and with choice scarf and explosion is able to take out problem Pokemon, especially things like Gastrodon which is a bitch to take out after it kills Zapdos with Stone Edge with just Metagross and Garchomp. I rarely had to use it due to how solid the team is, but it saved my ass 2 or 3 times against ice trainers.

Now the basic strategy of the team is to just use multiple-hit attacks on both foes to quickly decimate the opposition. I found that I had Garchomp use Protect on the first turn 90% of the time after battle 50 due to EVERYONE packing Ice or Latias (which has somehow never outsped Garchomp despite having a higher base speed...haha.) while letting Zapdos KO/paralyze shit, or put them in range for two more attacks to KO in the case of bulkier things.
Metagross was rarely used, mostly it would just Bullet Punch and win the game if I had to send it out. I switched it in a few times, replacing Garchomp if its Protect was used up and Zapdos hadn't taken out their ice user and/or if it outsped Garchomp. Turns out I needn't have worried so much, as even a Starmie's Blizzard doesn't OHKO YaChomp. :/
Heatran was my anti-Ice guy whose Explosion could be used as a last resort.

The team got me to 128. I lost against Clown Frank.
His team was:

Bronzong
Gallade
Mr. Mime
Slowking

Trick Room...haha I fought ONE "competitive" team out of 129 battles and it was a fun match.

No battle video up...yet...soon, though. I'll edit when and if.

Turn-by-turn, the losing battle went like this.

Turn 1:
Earthquake. Hits both for 50% +
Heatwave. Brings Bronzong to 1 HP. MISSES GALLADE. -___-
Gallade Ice Punches Garchomp. Yache Activates...CRITICAL HIT.
Garchomp dies.
Bronzong uses Trick Room.

Turn 2:
I send in Metagross.
Bullet Punch kills Gallade.
Bronzong uses Hypnosis. It hits Zapdos.
Zapdos is asleep.
He sends out Slowing.

Turn 3:
Bullet Punch Bronzong, which dies.
Slowking uses Curse.
Zapdos sleeps.

Turn 4:
He sends out Mime.
Metagross Protects (Bad idea) to stall out TR and scout an attack.
Slowking uses Curse.
Mime uses Mimic but it fails.
Zapdos is still Asleep

Turn 5:
Metagross uses Bullet Punch on mime.
Slowking hits Zapdos with Aqua Tail for the KO.
Mime uses Psychic on Metagross for NVE damage.
The twisted dimensions return to normal.

Turn 6:
I send out Heatran
Protect with Metagross while Heatran Explodes.
Slowking OHKOs Heatran with Aqua Tail..****ing QUICK CLAW >____<

Slowking keeps Cursing.
Mime protects against Meteor Mash.

Mime copycats Gross.
Slowking uses EQ and kills Gross.

:(

There was WAY too much Hax in this game, but it was a good challenge and I got MUCH farther than I expected to. I got a double ability ribbon and a shit ton of BP and set a personal best, so I've got no regrets. It's not like I made a ton of mistakes or could have used a better team. TR, hax, etc makes any consistent powerful team go to hell :P

Peterko · Aug 25, 2009

updated the list

also posting to say that the group of trainers (you should know which ones, pokéfans, picnickers, campers, PKMN breeders, etc.) actually do have 21 IV pokémon after all, as I faced already like 2-3 pokémon that struggle fainted in 4 (possible with 21 but not 24 and 31)...

as for my current streak...I have never done so many battles in 1.5 days, but I´m not "halfway through" yet, although pretty close :)

I kind of laughed hard yesterday, when a paralyzed and confused kanga got two CHs in a row with outrage (I could laugh because steel didn´t care)

another note for trick-team users: beware of flingers lol...I won´t say anymore

EDIT: oh shi...stupid stupid stupid...faced a scizor, trick missed turn1, he SD, trick worked turn2 he scissored me and I tried to set up again with registeel against such a thing, thinking OK he won ´t get any more boosts like metagross did (+4) and scissor has less base power...well, I was at +5 and low health behind a sub when he CHed me twice in a row...now I calc damage on garchomp (long overdue) and he doesn´t KO and I can SD (lol the shock came when I realized I didn´t check scizor´s speed stat), but it worked and I fainted it after one SD...it was aruin maniac and I hoped for no sash/aerodactyl or whatever, econd poké magnezone died faster than it came out of the pokéball and3rd was lunatone lol
ok this is like the second or third time I messed up (tricking hariyama2 when I knew which set it was, accidentally tricking rhyperior4 twice in a row giving him back the CB, when I knew which set it was while I wanted to charm, luckily megahorn missed like 3 out of 10, and now this)

Jumpman16 · Aug 25, 2009

well at the very least i think that these few roadbumps might be giving you a little more killer instinct than you had 1-2 weeks ago. when i changed over from starmie team to LLL i don't think i lost much killer instinct, but this probably has everything to do with the fact that no one yet had tried trick in the battle tower and because both linoone (which the first L stood for at first) and lopunny are NU pokemon.

i still remember the six pokemon i hated to see in the BT first turn with LLL: Metagross, Yanmega, Gliscor, Latios, Charizard, and Dragonite, in order of "ffffffffffff". Honorable mention goes to heracross, regice, froslass, rapidash, arcanine, rampardos and medicham, all of whom i either couldn't switcheroo first turn or didn't like to have to set up on (flare blitz, head smash, ice beam, etc). with CLS, there are only three pokemon i care about: metagross, yanmega and heracross. metagross for obvious reasons (and ones that make me seriously want to try skill swap uxie, mesprit or togekiss), and yanmega/heracross because they are the only two pokemon i can't trick turn 1, and even that that's only some of the time for both. i trick everything else i listed and don't care at all, only scarf rampardos and cb dragonite are pause for any concern

so for me, now, with CLS, i don't need a killer instinct because latios and scizordo all the murdering for me. for you though, it should be "fun" in that at least you realize it's not quite as easy as garo and i may have made it seem since last year

also to answer your previous question i still love flash because most moves aren't going to run out of pp before it matters. especially for things like lopunny, flash rules

Peterko · Aug 25, 2009

yeah it´s all about learning how to use your team, it´s definitely not as easy as it might seem "lalala trick team I win 350 without effort" (hint: wrong)...

that registeel is very difficult to use, but now I know what to do and pull through (unless horrible hax occurs)

loving them recovers on latias, beside helping me totally cripple stuff I wouldn´t be able to without recover (charm is awesome), I´m PP wasting stuff, where I would probably have to bring in steel for a min 10 turn set up and not always easy sweeping afterwards, now I have to keep track of the PPs but whatever, then I bring in chomp on the first struggle and always get at least +4 and sub

garchomp only "failed" to sweep by itself once so far (what I recall, you know, too many battles ._.), after set up as the oponent brought the sashtrode which broke sub with signal beam and, considering I knew its set, I switched to steel to absorb the boom :)

by the way, I´m marking (on my printed 700 poké list) all the moves the starters use against latias I lock them into...what I don´t like for example is that stuff uses OHKO moves (pinsir, rhydon, kingler)...this helps figuring out the AI a bit (although the most frequent is the most obvious ice move/shadow ball vs lati)

as I said, I´m charming lopunny, gastro and muk (have to see a muk yet though) and then reswitch depending on the situation...I faced bunny and gastro4 already and it worked out like I wanted (gastro switching back and forth but then got bored after 3 beams/epowers lol and tried trick, which worked)

jump will you continue your active 190+ streak with CLS now or what (or are you already since you lost in DP two weeks ago? if so, then I shouldn´t be happy to make a nice record if you jump over me right after

another random note: I love the fact that plat. is much faster than DP (attacks, lefties recovery etc.), saves a lot of time in bigger streaks

now I understand your nick at last, after reading about how you were a triple/high jumper, how far/high if I may ask? I´m a big athletics fan and like to mesure my own various efforts (we had physical tests after/before season while I was a competitive tennis player and always loved them..50m sprint, cricket ball throw from standing still, long jump from both legs without a running start, no. of sit ups per minute, medicine ball throw lol dunno how it´s called, picking up balls - 5 short sprints in 5 directions and a 12minute distance run)

Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records

Peterko

Never give up!

Shelcario

NinRac

Jumpman16

np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)

lati0s

Peterko

Never give up!

Chinese Dood

darkseeker4

Peterko

Never give up!

darkseeker4

lone

Peterko

Never give up!

lone

Jumpman16

np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)

Peterko

Never give up!

bloodghoul

darkseeker4

Peterko

Never give up!

Zog

Pocket

be the upgraded version of me

-GZ-

Alex Practice

Peterko

Never give up!

Jumpman16

np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)

Peterko

Never give up!