congrats TRE - some great streaks there! you gonna do castle?
that is a pretty cool strategy, but a lot more luck dependant, since things can wake up quickly, have berries, etc. but yawn's flawless accuracy is awesome - something trick unfortunately does not have (why does trick often miss, yet when you get bright powder their move never misses).
well, no-one really saw drapion coming - we were all using straightforward stat-up pokemon. so something else might be possible. but probably not, until the 5th gen when something with a no-hax ability shows up.
thanks man :) and yeah, i still do consider my team/skill to be in a formitive stage. it was not the only thing i "learnt" during that streak, but most of the other things didnt cost me too much - i just thought, man if he had got a certain kind of hax, i would have been screwed.
twave is a decent idea for yanmega i think - drdimentio also pointed this out to me. i can see the logic.
and also its not like i ever really "go out of my way" to keep latias alive. most battles go like "latias used trick. lead used ice beam / shadow ball / night slash / dragon claw / signal beam / whatever. registeel comes in and its GG." ie i usually dont "need" to do anything other than trick. i have only twice "needed" latias again, and both times i paralyzed the opponent, hoping this would buy me time for a substitute on salamence (and both times failed, one being my loss, and another being a lucky escape). recover + charm is great for when an opponent uses stone edge - obviously salamence cant come in, and registeel doesnt like setting up on 5pp moves (although i do it sometimes, getting to +5/+5/+4/sub knowing i can get to full strength in the relevant stat in one turn, unless their hp is divisible by 4) and when there is a high CH chance...... so i usually stall with charm and recover (and twave if they are not part ground) and then either retrick, or let it struggle, and take back its scarf and begin on pokemon 2. if the opponent used something very dangerous (such as STAB brave bird or outrage) then i will often sacrifice latias, then go to steel via salamence for the intimidate. if they used an electric move (which is the only type salamence+registeel dont resist between them) i usually just stall it out similar to stone edge. i can see plenty of instances where flash would be great, and even better than recover. but the bottom line is you only get 4 moves, and the instances where recover>flash convince me to keep that, as it is more "reliable" - ive had enough 10+ turn freezes to know that a fully flashed opponent could still hit you multiple times in a row, even when it shouldnt (lol the BF obeying the law of averages).
EDIT: btw i didnt even realise it was the same as peterko's DP streak!
no, i definitely appreciate any comments that come my way :) so many thanks to both of you guys.
i guess i really misunderestimated (i love your previous president's speeches) yanmega. but still, if it didnt have tinted lens, and those moves didnt have a chance to raise all stats, you can see where im going, right? 1) its item didnt increase its attack (nor was it a hax item) 2) it was obviously going to use its STAB move, which wouldnt hurt registeel. 3) when its pp was up, instead of suiciding in a couple of turns, it would just switch to an even weaker move, allowing me to complete the setup. but yeah, tinted lens and the stat-ups mean i made a mistake in that case.
i usually do normal near the start-middle. basically a lot of those things are really bulky and can do annoying things to you like paralyze (body slam), have an ice move, etc.
exactly, eg dragon dance on turn 1, then you give it a scarf and watch it outrage you. it could even put you to sleep or something turn one.
Not to mention fasthippo and beachboy did a brilliant job of developing the Yawn stratergy which is much more effective then it looks as I have used it myself. Though may require more brains to use and more luck as well as less reliable but it got fasthippo quite far like top5 and beachboy is one on the battle arcade list and peterko did heck of a job with his LSS team...
that is a pretty cool strategy, but a lot more luck dependant, since things can wake up quickly, have berries, etc. but yawn's flawless accuracy is awesome - something trick unfortunately does not have (why does trick often miss, yet when you get bright powder their move never misses).
Im not denying that trick teams are the best but this isn't the "only" stratergy to get you score into a couple of hundreads...
And im pretty sure there are more stratergys out there to be discovered, pokemon is a vast world :)
well, no-one really saw drapion coming - we were all using straightforward stat-up pokemon. so something else might be possible. but probably not, until the 5th gen when something with a no-hax ability shows up.
very nice job on the streak (and funny that it equaled peterko’s best from dp)! glad you realize you could have played it better in hindsight, but i don’t think tricking is the right way to go at all especially when you know that it is yanmega three. i think you should have paralyzed it in spite of its lum berry. it can’t ohko latias without a ch, and you are either going to be facing a non-threatening speed boost yanmega with registeel, or you are going to be facing a paralyzed tinted lens yanmega with registeel. both are better than your alternatives of possibly facing a tinted lens yanmega that is almost guaranteed to boost its stats at least twice with 15 chances if you just switch in registeel without doing anything with latias, or getting garchomp just a sub and 2-3 Atk/Spe (depending on whether or not you have to roost) if you trick regardless of yanmega’s Ability.
that said, i almost cant resist given your confidence in recover over flash, as it is evident here that it would have helped you immensely from the beginning and would be the obvious move to use against yanmega3. you don’t really want to trick it and only give salamence +3, especially since set 3 trainers can very much use steel pokemon that can weather a +3 outrage. against a lum berry speed boost yanmega, using TW means a 100% of hitting every turn against registeel vs. 75% at best if you flash, and it only has a 56.25% chance of hitting latias twice anyway. against a lum berry tinted lens yanmega, using TW means a 70.3125% chance that yanmega will have a 100% of hitting every turn against registeel (accounting for CH chance) vs. 45% at best, hitting through the first two flashes.
anyway, i didn’t understand peterko’s inclination to keep latias as unfettered as possible, and i don’t understand yours either. if you were afraid of latias getting killed by a CH silver wind after you tricked on turn one, you should have been more afraid of the 50% chance yanmega was tinted lens and would do 36-42% to your registeel on the switch into the same exact first turn CH. it is incredibly rare to need your lead poke after setting up, and even rarer that it won’t be able to hamper the poke that hacked your set-up poke enough at a low HP even if you felt you had to switch it out instead of sacrificing it. especially with 154/158 speed, and especially because you *don’t* have a second hampering option in flash that you will need to use latias more than one turn for. you can only TW all the special attackers that gay your set-up poke, and while recover allows you to charm/recover/tw/charm, it’s secondary to my point of actually trying to keep latias at as high an HP total as possible when you first trick (and with salamence’s intimidate you don’t even need to rely on latias’s charm as much as you would if you weren’t using sala). latias is either going to get to paralyze the hacker or not by virtue of her speed and not how high her HP is. in this particular instance, registeel died and you couldn’t even consider tricking with your still-faster latias because of the chance it would use AP (and even then, OW is a 3HKO at +1), and this isn’t a coincidence—there’s almost nothing that, should registeel get hacked, you are going to want to actually trick, because salamence hates everything latias is locking the hacker into except bug moves. so that leaves tw, charm, and recover. you will only be able to tw basically anything once, and over half the time charm will be useless as will be recover
tldr; going out of your way to save your lead is not a good idea, especially if you don’t have the ability to significantly hamper half of the pokemon you’d face anyway. is my endorsement of flash starting to get through to you guys yet?
thanks man :) and yeah, i still do consider my team/skill to be in a formitive stage. it was not the only thing i "learnt" during that streak, but most of the other things didnt cost me too much - i just thought, man if he had got a certain kind of hax, i would have been screwed.
twave is a decent idea for yanmega i think - drdimentio also pointed this out to me. i can see the logic.
and also its not like i ever really "go out of my way" to keep latias alive. most battles go like "latias used trick. lead used ice beam / shadow ball / night slash / dragon claw / signal beam / whatever. registeel comes in and its GG." ie i usually dont "need" to do anything other than trick. i have only twice "needed" latias again, and both times i paralyzed the opponent, hoping this would buy me time for a substitute on salamence (and both times failed, one being my loss, and another being a lucky escape). recover + charm is great for when an opponent uses stone edge - obviously salamence cant come in, and registeel doesnt like setting up on 5pp moves (although i do it sometimes, getting to +5/+5/+4/sub knowing i can get to full strength in the relevant stat in one turn, unless their hp is divisible by 4) and when there is a high CH chance...... so i usually stall with charm and recover (and twave if they are not part ground) and then either retrick, or let it struggle, and take back its scarf and begin on pokemon 2. if the opponent used something very dangerous (such as STAB brave bird or outrage) then i will often sacrifice latias, then go to steel via salamence for the intimidate. if they used an electric move (which is the only type salamence+registeel dont resist between them) i usually just stall it out similar to stone edge. i can see plenty of instances where flash would be great, and even better than recover. but the bottom line is you only get 4 moves, and the instances where recover>flash convince me to keep that, as it is more "reliable" - ive had enough 10+ turn freezes to know that a fully flashed opponent could still hit you multiple times in a row, even when it shouldnt (lol the BF obeying the law of averages).
EDIT: btw i didnt even realise it was the same as peterko's DP streak!
lol pokémon
I haven´t read thoroughly the stuff that´s been posted in the past weeks, but I must´ve been blind to have missed the 459 post or something, because I´ve been "lurking" occasionally
first of all, congrats on the streak
yeah if it´s been said already, nevermind the following
you´re supposed to thunder wave lead yanmega, at least I do...(not trick and hell, I´ve never switched in steel just like that in my 3300+ battles with that team)...if it has speed boost, lol
if it has tinted lens, then you´re able to amnesia before mega attacks -> you "should" win
obviously, latias should be left out to die to ensure a smooth as possible set up for steel against those tinted special attackers
don´t know if I mentioned this, but the u-turn one tends to night slash first and u-turn afterwards (this is at least what I remember from the last 2 encounters with it)...t-wave + switch and then you should be able to get latias back with relative ease to trick the second poké, because of what they will use against registeel
yeah, no pokémon for me (playing diablo 2 lol)
happy 2010 everyone
no, i definitely appreciate any comments that come my way :) so many thanks to both of you guys.
i guess i really misunderestimated (i love your previous president's speeches) yanmega. but still, if it didnt have tinted lens, and those moves didnt have a chance to raise all stats, you can see where im going, right? 1) its item didnt increase its attack (nor was it a hax item) 2) it was obviously going to use its STAB move, which wouldnt hurt registeel. 3) when its pp was up, instead of suiciding in a couple of turns, it would just switch to an even weaker move, allowing me to complete the setup. but yeah, tinted lens and the stat-ups mean i made a mistake in that case.
I'm not an expert but wouldn't Priority moves or 1HKO moves mess you up?
Also, I'm using a boring old SD, Fire Fang, EQ, Outrage Sash Garchomp for the battle hall.
I have, Normal, Electric, Fire, Grass, Physic, Fighting, Flying left.
Which ones should I do first and which one should I leave till last? =D
i usually do normal near the start-middle. basically a lot of those things are really bulky and can do annoying things to you like paralyze (body slam), have an ice move, etc.
No, it DOES matter.
If your opponent is faster and uses a move before it gets the Scarf, then on turn 2 it can choose a different move. That can be troublesome. Also, don't forget that Uxie CAN get KOed or incapacitated by status, in which, if faster, you can still lock the opponent into one move. Understand?
exactly, eg dragon dance on turn 1, then you give it a scarf and watch it outrage you. it could even put you to sleep or something turn one.