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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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On the subject of pre-existing pokemon getting evolutions, all I can say is... why? I personally hate when pokemon from old generations get new evolutions tacked on in another generation. Usually they don't look much like their previous evolution/s and most of the time it's completely unnessecary. Rhyperior is just... I can't even. Take a cool looking pokemon in Rydon, make it fatter, add a new color that was never present in any of it's evo's, increase its all ready largest stats and we have Rhyperior.
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.... Just no.
I've seen people talk about Pinsir getting a "much needed" evo, but all it really needs is a move like Dragon Dance, if frickin' Whiscash can get it, so can Pinsir. Or make a new move called something else more applicable but still does the same thing.
You seem to have forgotton SOLID ROCK. Rhydon wasn't even close to the UU border when Rhyperior was OU, and anyone who says that Rhydon's evo was useless has obviously never tried Rhydon in OU, it can't survive even PHYSICAL attacks that it's 4x weak to.
And now it has Shadow Sneak, which does just about as much as Shadow Ball did back then.
It won't be able to do quite as much damage? 70 to 100 base attack is a very large difference. And Dusknoir MIGHT survive a weaker Pursuit. You could also, you know, WoW the pursuit user without switching out/
Well it could have easily just gotten the new ability in Solid Rock. But think about what you said about Rhyperior being "only" UU, if the "upgrades" didn't help it move up the tiers, what was the point? I contend that Rhydon could still have been used in the UU tier this generation.
rhydon could be used, but that goes for any poke (if i want i can use magikarp in ubers), the point is that rhydon dont work in this generation, but rypherior does thanks to higher stats and SOLID ROCK! if you got a problem with the artwork and/or sprite then its your problem but dont say rypherior was not nescesarry (btw, the point is that rypherior is better then you give credits for and he was OU a time ago)
But I mean, why is OU considered the holy grail of pokemon battling? Because it can't survive there it's useless? I never understand that mentality...
Look, all I'm saying is there is nothing that Rhyperior got that couldn't have just been given to Rhydon in generation 4, including SOLID ROCK. Things hit considerably less hard in UU, so with the stats Rhydon already had, he could probably still have stayed UU.
No. Rhyperior was said to be a useless evolution. Yet Rhydon cannot survive in the environment of almost all the pokemon (Aside from the broken ones), and Rhyperior struggles to. RhyDON cannot survive there, and it is an NFE who's evolution can, even if it struggles. Thus, it is useless.
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Then why, while Rhyperior was OU, didn't he spend time in UU battles? No, he's regulated to NU battles. Rhyperior is at least somewhat competent because it can survive weak SE special attacks. Rhydon has no such luxary.
On the subject of triple typed pokes, Venomoth would like to know why he still isn't flying.
Because with Tinted Lens, Sludge Bomb/Bug Buzz get perfect coverage for everything except 4 pokemon who are hit neutrally (Or in Gengar's case, SE) by Psychic?
For arguments sake let's say that RhyDON did NOT get the evolution this generation. Instead it got a new ability in SOLID ROCK, and the moves that Rhyperior got, y'know, like I've been saying all along. Sure, it would have been used in OU, failed (probably miserably) and been relegated to UU, where, as previously mentioned things hit alot less hard, it could have probably stayed where it was.
As for the second point, chalk it up to a pokemon getting a new evolution so people immediately forget about the previous one. I believe there's a few threads talking about the viability of such pokemon, the general consensus being that a large number of them are still viable.
Well, if a pokémon needs all the most widely used 'mon banned for it to survive, it's not the best... I've never really understood why anyone would want to play UU. I have absolutely nothing against UU 'mon, mind, but surely it's much more satisfying to win with NU/UU 'mon in OU, than having to ban a huge portion of the metagame before you can win.
Unfortunately, it can't. Rhydon had 2 abilities already, and it would have needed an evolution to get it. Nintendo realised this, and gave it an evo with Solid Rock. Problem is, you can't just evolve something and give it an ability with no stat gains. So, they gave it minor boosts to the stats it was already best in.
And THAT is why Rhyperior is what it is.
Or you could argue that, because the tier lists get larger as you move down from OU (barring BL) a greater amount of skill is needed to play because there are a much larger number of viable threats, both defensively and offensively, instead of just picking pokemon, X,Y,Z (Scizor, Blissey, Skarmory perhaps?) No?
Really? Are the abilities pokemon get set in stone for the rest of the time pokemon is around? I would hate to think. It could have just taken the place of Lightening Rod.
...Yes, something like that. Did any other pokemon change their abilities? The only way possible to fix it WITHOUT evolution is to do a reboot, a la Gen3.
What if someone decides Rhyperior should get a new ability?
Then it will evolve into a Normal type obviously. With high special attack and nothing else.
Sucks to be them.
The problem is this. Say Rhydon DID get Solid Rock over Lightningrod. That's all fine and dandy. But what would happen if I transfered a Lightningrod Rhydon over? The games can't fix abilities without evolutions. Thus, you'd be stuck with a Lightningrod Rhydon, and people are idiots enough to question that, maybe even sue Nintendo or Game Freak for that.
haha, oh wow
Ok, that makes sense, but would it not be possible to have the same pokemon from different regions have other abilities? Like Solid Rock Rhydon in Sinnoh be obtainable, but not in Hoenn? You could still trade over said Lightening Rod Rhydon to DPPt, but not be able to trade back Solid Rock Rhydon. Basically just how pal park works at the moment?
NEVER underestimate stupidity. Ever. EVER.
elchupo, that would work, but there could be problems as a result of that in the way abilities are coded. They probubly tried that before just giving up and evolving it.
EDIT: Let's change the topic. Gen4-Gen5 compatability is at least SOMEWHAT confirmed, thanks to the shiny beasts.
Ehh there's tons of stuff not hit super effective by that combo and a lot that resists all of it. Venomoth being my favourite Pokémon, I used to love running bug buzz/sludge bomb/HP ground/sleep powder scarf lead in OU. It was pretty good too, but so much resists it all.
Some means of having him immune to ground would be good though. And yeah I'm so hoping we get a bug legendary.
Except for the fact that Shadow Sneak is only half as strong as Shadow Ball. Dusknoir is at the bottom of OU, so I don't think Dusclops would be in the same spot. It wasn't a necessary evolution, but it at least did something. The increase in attack is the main reason why Dusknoir is usable.
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