Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl - Release 19th Nov 2021

And so what if this means you need to have completed two different games to get this thing- it's the literal god of the Pokémon world, what do you want them to do, just hand it to you on a silver platter?
Why not? Lore status does not matter in the slightest. In terms of gameplay, it's still a single Pokémon.

Alternatively, they could just have given you the Azure Flute after beating Cynthia, no additional game required. That would have been DRAMATICALLY better.

They didn't have to implement the Azure Flute event at all. We are not entitled to it. They could have easily deemed the Arceus we get in Legends: Arceus to be enough for us and left it at that, but they didn't, and now people are complaining because this previous completely inaccessible event isn't even more accessible than they saw fit to make it? I'm sorry, but that comes off as entitled to me and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I for one am happy that we got the event at all.
So it's perfectly okay that someone that gets Legends has a chance to get two Arceus (thus, a redundant reward), while the ones that don't cannot get any?
 
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Why not? Lore status does not matter in the slightest. In terms of gameplay, it's still a single Pokémon.
It's a Mythical Pokémon. They are, by and large, not meant to be easy to get ahold of.

So it's perfectly okay that someone that gets Legends has a chance to get two Arceus (thus, a redundant reward), while the ones that don't cannot get any?
That goes to another aspect of Pokémon- the sense of community. People trading with one another to help them out. One guy has two Arceus, his friend has none, maybe the friend has something the first guy wants, there's the foundation for a trade right there. Besides, for the longest time you needed Let's Go to have any realistic chance at getting a Melmetal, let alone get one into the main series, but if you did have them, you basically have the makings of infinite Meltan and Melmetal. By and large, only people who have gotten a Manaphy can get Phione as well. Pokémon has been built upon the foundation of people trading Pokémon with other people to help each other out. This might lock people out of double Arceus if they don't play Legends, but it means that there'll be all the more people with a sudden surplus of Arceus, many of which might possibly be open to a trade.
 
I like the alternating between the smogoner type A (event distributions are bad, every pokemon should be obtainable in a single cart), and smogoner type B (legendaryes/mythical should be unique and hard to get, having them everywhere ruins their meaning)

Good news, the main Pokemon buyer is neither, it's a kid that doesn't care, probably will never get Arceus nor any of the mythicals because he put down the game after finishing the story anyway, and if he does he'll be glad to show it to his friends to brag that he can pet literally God in the latest iteration of Pokemon Arnie.

Praise actually intended playerbase for this game series being kids, unspoiled by the dumbness of adulthood and its hypocrisy, and only actually interested in well, having fun :)
 
They didn't have to implement the Azure Flute event at all. We are not entitled to it. They could have easily deemed the Arceus we get in Legends: Arceus to be enough for us and left it at that, but they didn't, and now people are complaining because this previous completely inaccessible event isn't even more accessible than they saw fit to make it? I'm sorry, but that comes off as entitled to me and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I for one am happy that we got the event at all.
I'm sorry (not really), but this by far and away the single stupidest take I've seen on these forums, and I've seen a lot of really, really dumb shit over the past few years. Did you get this game for free or something, or did you forget that you paid 60 bucks for it? Of fucking course you're entitled to the content in the game you paid for. The entire concept of event distributions (and yes, version exclusives and dual slot mode and all that other shit to try to get you to buy other games to access the content that's already in the game you own as well) has always been stupid and predatory.

Your entire post boils down to exactly what I took umbrage with in the first place; past distributions were worse (or non-existent), therefore predatory business practices are okay as long as they're slightly less predatory than previous distributions. And again, you are the reason why GameFreak will never actually improve in any meaningful way. Enjoy your 60 dollar DP reskin with an additional 60 dollar Arceus DLC.

I like the alternating between the smogoner type A (event distributions are bad, every pokemon should be obtainable in a single cart), and smogoner type B (legendaryes/mythical should be unique and hard to get, having them everywhere ruins their meaning)

Good news, the main Pokemon buyer is neither, it's a kid that doesn't care, probably will never get Arceus nor any of the mythicals because he put down the game after finishing the story anyway, and if he does he'll be glad to show it to his friends to brag that he can pet literally God in the latest iteration of Pokemon Arnie.

Praise actually intended playerbase for this game series being kids, unspoiled by the dumbness of adulthood and its hypocrisy, and only actually interested in well, having fun :)
The Smogon moral objectivist strikes again
 
I'm sorry (not really), but this by far and away the single stupidest take I've seen on these forums, and I've seen a lot of really, really dumb shit over the past few years. Did you get this game for free or something, or did you forget that you paid 60 bucks for it? Of fucking course you're entitled to the content in the game you paid for. The entire concept of event distributions (and yes, version exclusives and dual slot mode and all that other shit to try to get you to buy other games to access the content that's already in the game you own as well) has always been stupid and predatory.

Your entire post boils down to exactly what I took umbrage with in the first place; past distributions were worse (or non-existent), therefore predatory business practices are okay as long as they're slightly less predatory than previous distributions. And again, you are the reason why GameFreak will never actually improve in any meaningful way. Enjoy your 60 dollar DP reskin with an additional 60 dollar Arceus DLC.
If your take on what has been a core aspect of the franchise since day damn one is that it's predatory, that it exists solely to take advantage of us, and that it's stupid to view it in any sort of positive light, then you and I are gonna have to agree to disagree. If you could get absolutely everything out of the copy of the game you bought all by yourself with no outside help whatsoever, then what would even be the point of linking together with friends to trade? Some people are willing to go that extra mile, and some aren't, and that's OK, because the first group is now in a position where they can help the second group out so they don't totally miss out. People reach out for the help, arrange some trades, maybe even make new friends in the process. That is what this is all about, and if you can't see it like that, then I pity you.
 
Two main series games released in super close proximity. That's unheard of. Makes perfect sense that they would try and keep both games as equally relevant as they can.


Oh, no question. It's absolutely gorgeous, and it's providing a very pleasant aesthetic to the background of my holy Shiny hunt.


You know what? Past distributions were worse, but not in the sense that they were necessarily bad- rather, that this one is great! Instead of being locked to a specific timeframe where if you miss it you're screwed, as long as you have the necessary games, you have infinite access to Arceus moving forward, and it's not even Shiny locked! And so what if this means you need to have completed two different games to get this thing- it's the literal god of the Pokémon world, what do you want them to do, just hand it to you on a silver platter? Interacting with multiple games to get certain Pokémon in certain games has always, always, always been a thing in this franchise. Version exclusives are this at its most basic. Dual slot mode in Gen 4 was absolutely necessary for Pokédex completion back in the day. Wanted a Surfing Pikachu back then and missed the Yellow Forest event for the Pokéwalker? Better have Battle Revolution! Wanted Lugia and Ho-Oh in Gen 3? Colosseum and XD were must-haves for this purpose. You had to not only buy Pokémon Ranger to get Manaphy way back when, but if it was a used copy, you better hope the previous owner didn't get one, because it was one Manaphy Egg per copy, not per save file! And then you got the save file bonuses we've been getting so far. Gigantamax Pikachu and Eevee in SwSh. Mew and Jirachi in BDSP. Darkrai and Shaymin in Legends: Arceus. But this, easily the best one of the bunch, the only one that isn't Shiny-locked, this is where y'all draw the line and start complaining? They didn't have to implement the Azure Flute event at all. We are not entitled to it. They could have easily deemed the Arceus we get in Legends: Arceus to be enough for us and left it at that, but they didn't, and now people are complaining because this previous completely inaccessible event isn't even more accessible than they saw fit to make it? I'm sorry, but that comes off as entitled to me and it doesn't sit well with me at all. I for one am happy that we got the event at all.
This. This right here. Pokemon is about the journey. Sometimes that journey is across different games. Does that mean not everyone gets the mon? Yes, it can, because not everyone's journey is the same.

Now that being said, honestly I would not be surprised that a lot of the people complaining about this event would be worshiping the ground it was written upon if a 5th gen remake did something similar.
 
Because a single Pokémon is locked behind a 60 dollar barrier. A barrier that is somehow worse than Mew or Jirachi's.
Honestly, it is not any worse then Mew or Jirachi's or Shaymin's or Darkrai's. It has a cool lore tidbit to it that makes the extra requirement worth it. I mean..Arceus gives that flute to those he considers worthy..and for you to be worthy in BD/SP you have to complete Arceus. It is a heavy nod towards Arceus being trans-dimensional and still seeing you, the player as worthy even in a completely different game.
 
Honestly, it is not any worse then Mew or Jirachi's or Shaymin's or Darkrai's.
Uhm... you have to beat Legends, and not just have save data, to get Arceus. That puts it worse than the four of them, since you can't just borrow the game once, boot it, and return.

(Not that that is always a possibility because there may be no one nearby with a physical copy of the game, but it's less bad)
 
Because a single Pokémon is locked behind a 60 dollar barrier. A barrier that is somehow worse than Mew or Jirachi's.
If you're framing the situation as "I'm being forced to spend 60 bucks to get this one digital creature" then you're the problem in that situation.

This isn't a pay to win situation. This isn't a "if you don't shell out a buttload of money you're at a disadvantage" situation. This is just "do you have both of these games? Sick, here's an extra thing."

Nobody is forcing anybody to pay extra for the thing, because nobody is forcing anybody to get the thing. It's seriously not a big deal if someone doesn't get Arceus, or Mew, or whatever. Arceus and Mew and all those mythicals do not matter. They are extras. Bonuses. Non-essential. You don't need them.

This post has been kinda hostile, so I want close it by saying that if you're getting this upset over whether or not someone can obtain a virtual monster, you should reexamine what Pokemon means to you, because it doesn't seem healthy. Take some time for yourself, talk it over with family, see a therapist, however you want to do it. I say this without an ounce of snark or aggression.
 

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This thread has mostly run its course at this point and is just devolving into a bit of a mess. I'll go back through the last few pages and check out a few things, but you all need to remember that GameFreak can do whatever they want with any of their content. If you don't like it, have a wonderful day and just ignore the content. Stop getting into ultimately pointless arguments about it and move on.

I understand that people want GF to do better, want Nintendo to do better, want whoever to do better. But in the end, it's a business with one goal. If having Arceus locked this way sells even a single copy of Legends because of the link with BDSP then their reasoning is correct.

I'm not going to get into the morality of the choice or anything like that, and you can't have any idea of what GF might do next - For example they might have a free Arceus Mystery Gift lined up at some point as well. Remember, Eternal Floette was never released either.
 

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I was originally gonna post this in Little Things That Annoy, but I decided to go here because this is hardly what I'd consider a "Little Thing".


Now, I know what you might be thinking at a glance. "Dramps, that's a pretty nice lookin' game trailer you posted, but this is the BDSP thread. Were you trying to type multiple posts at once across subforums and got the tabs mixed up?"

Well, here's the thing. At a little bit before the one minute mark, this happens.
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Oh yeah. Ooooooh yeah baby. Not a supporting developer btw. THE PRIMARY ONE.

But wait, it gets better!

>ONE OF THE BIG SELLING POINTS IS THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE LONGEST DEV CYCLES OF ANY ONE PIECE GAME EVER MADE
>IT LITERALLY STARTED PRODUCTION AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE BDSP

Do you understand now? Do you understand the LAYERS of CUCKED we are dealing with here?! Ladies and gentlemen, the most anticipated Pokemon game of all time is comparable to Sonic and the Secret Rings!
 

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Which month with bdsp work with pokemon home?
Is Pokemon home for bdsp predicted to come in April?
No one knows. All we know for sure is the fact that they confirmed BDSP Home Compatibility will arrive at the same time that PLA Home Compatibility will: both games will get HOME compatibility together.

It's certainly possible that it'll release in May or June this year more likely, considering SwSh gained HOME compatibility four months after its release, as that came through in February 2020, and considering PLA (the real 2021 Pokemon game and the main project between the two) came out in late January I would expect a May/June arrival for BDSP/PLA compatibility possibly. We may have confirmation of when specifically it'll arrive in May/June as they may talk about it alongside the inevitable Scarlet and Violet info reveals that will arrive in May and June.

As for now though, we don't know anything about when specifically it'll happen, so as far as we all know it could be any time this year so it's still very up in the air as to when it'll arrive. But as I said, nothing is confirmed about BDSP/PLA HOME compatibility yet and we won't know until they explicitly confirm when it'll arrive in any upcoming Pokemon Presents or Pokemon info reveals that are to come up this year.
 
home updates usually just drop out of nowhere iirc
I don;t think they get like, a full lead up announcement
 
It's certainly possible that it'll release in May or June this year more likely, considering SwSh gained HOME compatibility four months after its release, as that came through in February 2020, and considering PLA (the real 2021 Pokemon game and the main project between the two) came out in late January I would expect a May/June arrival for BDSP/PLA compatibility possibly. We may have confirmation of when specifically it'll arrive in May/June as they may talk about it alongside the inevitable Scarlet and Violet info reveals that will arrive in May and June.
Pokemon HOME was a completely new release in February 2020 and the only other added game since then was Pokemon GO in November 2020, so by that trend we might be waiting for a while. Part of the BDSP wait specifically may have been because of dealing with the rampant cloning glitches first, which could have been part of the artificial GWS delay as well.

XY released October 12, 2013
Bank originally released December 25, 2013 (74 days)
Bank released again January 22, 2014 (102 days)
ORAS and Bank 1.2 released Nov 21 2014 (same day)
Pokemon GO released July 6, 2016
Sun/Moon released November 18 2016
Bank 1.3 (Sun/Moon/RGBY) released January 24 2017 (67 days)
VC RGBY released February 27 2017
VC GS released September 22 2017
USUM released November 17 2017
Bank 1.4 (USUM/GSC) released November 19 2017 (2 days)
VC Crystal released January 26 2018
LGPE released November 16 2018 as kind of a bank for GO of itself
SWSH released November 15 2019
HOME released February 12 2020, as well as the relevant Bank update (89 days from SWSH)
SWSH DLC 1 (Isle of Armor) released June 17 2020 and HOME updated at the same day, with the DLC move names apparently leaking from its servers around May 22
SWSH DLC 2 (Crown Tundra) released October 22 2020 and HOME updated at the same day, with the horses apparently leaking from its servers a few days before
HOME got GO support in November 11 2020 (273 days)
BDSP released November 19 2021
Legends released January 28, 2022

Games within the same generation of Bank were handled fairly quickly. So far it has been 130 days since BDSP's release and 60 days since Legends. I don't know if they have addressed HOME support anywhere since that initial Presents, but they may as well release support for both games at the same time at this point.
EDIT: I forgot about the SWSH DLC which was updated so early it led to leaks, so maybe that's another reason for their hesitation, though the games are released now so who knows.
 
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It just occurred to me that they're likely waiting on Home compatibility until after the online competitions are done for Gen 8 so people can't use moves only learned in BDSP or PLA in them.
 
It just occurred to me that they're likely waiting on Home compatibility until after the online competitions are done for Gen 8 so people can't use moves only learned in BDSP or PLA in them.
Couldn't they just require the competition to use Galar-marked mons (which can be applied at the cost of removing all preexisting moves) instead?
 
It just occurred to me that they're likely waiting on Home compatibility until after the online competitions are done for Gen 8 so people can't use moves only learned in BDSP or PLA in them.
For old moves this is already resolved by the mark system. Any old moves they gained in either game but can't have in SWSH would be wiped out when converted to the galar mark.
And as for new moves, Pokemon knowing those moves would either not be allowed into SWSH/BDSP to begin with (so you need to bring them back into LA To delete them) or they'd have an update where those moves are added to the list of "Please delete this". And again the mark system would ensure they don't cause official problems. No using Lunar Blessing Cresselia


Side note if they don't put out an update for the move list they really need to update Home itself to have a move deleter function.
 
Part of me still thinks that not having home compatibility ready before VGC in summer would have been a shame.
The VGC metagame already is pretty stale (mostly boils down to Zacian teams and teams that counter Zacian teams), and will likely stay the same until the actual VGC finals in summer.
Adding compatibility AND allowing the legality of BDSP/LA native Pokemon would *potentially* shake up the metagame a bit. I'm not really sure if it would, it sure would have before restricted format, but as of now unless for some reason Origin P/D are particularly broken it's also possible none of the new mons or moves makes a splash.

Also... as I usually say... any other company wouldn't pass on the chance to get additional sales by letting SwSh players use their shiny new toys (tm).
But GameFreaks doesn't really do logic (nor does Nintendo often enough).
 

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