Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl - Release 19th Nov 2021

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DP's achilles heel was and forever will be the wretched Pokemon selection due to the restricted dex. Platinum solved that, and BDSP solved it even harder by going "fuck it, have a buncha shit not even in the Platinum dex via Underground". By those tokens, both of these games are immediately 500x better.
This is so true and something to be very thankful for if you get this game. More Fire types, like everyone mentions because of Flint, and getting Ice Types before Route 217 are massive improvements, but it bothers me so much that they seem to be only giving the unrestricted dex for the player. (Judging by the Ice Gym's Snover.) Platinum also unrestricted other trainers. Flint's Team, the Ice Gym's Medicham, and the Electric Gym only having 2 out of 4 Pokemon being Electric Types is something they should've fixed. I don't care if it's faithful because it's being faithful to the problems if Flint still has two Fire types. (I will never stop beating this dead horse after they brought it back for the remake without fixing it!)

You could say SwSh's Dragon Gym Leader didn't have all Dragons, but he's also based around weather and his non-Dragons are at least reptiles (Sandaconda and Torkoal) or rugged enough to not stand out among Dragons... Wait, does Gigalith learn any Dragon Moves? *checks* Huh, and neither does Torkoal. Well, that weakens my argument but at least that wasn't from a restricted dex. Diamond and Pearl didn't even try for Pokemon that matched the trainer's theme and slapped on anything that could learn any move of the user's type, like Lopunny's Egg Move Fire Punch or even just Drifblim's Will-O-Wisp. Even back when I didn't realize Flint only had 2 Fire types because there were only 2 Fire types, I thought Will-O-Wisp was a stretch. (Yes, I'm complaining about Status Moves and yes, I get the irony of me doing that.)


Judging by the Ice Gym's Snover, they didn't fix this. Oh, and the Switch caring case with Cynthia's Platinum team is just fuel for the salty fire. Now that I'm sure they didn't do the one fix that would make me buy this game, I'm happy to watch the world burn. I'm sure most players can burn the world better than Flint.
 
Yeah, as much as BDSP has quite a few disadvantages compared to Platinum, the increased variety and Box Link allowing me to rotate my team at any time will be things I will enjoy when I do end up playing it. And DP was a pretty good foundation to build on so by all accounts it'll be a fun game imo. I'll always prefer Platinum personally but BDSP isn't without its good points and will certainly be a more playable version of DP. Not having the glaring technical issues of DP or the ridiculous HM problem is also nice. It's still not going to be as good as Platinum, as much as I wish it could've been, but I suppose there will be some merit for those who do want to play it in the end.

No matter if you prefer Platinum or if you like BDSP more, one thing is certain though:



Begone with you, original Diamond and Pearl!
Void glitch / Retire glitch and potential upcoming ACE discoveries say hi :toast:
 
Massive speed issues notwithstanding (which Platinum also partially shares, but still shares enough to also be borderline unplayable without fast-forward), I do not think DP is that behind Platinum in terms of quality...
It's not even close. The speed issue was significantly rectified in Platinum which operates on the same engine as HGSS. The AI went from utterly random to quite competent in Platinum. And the revamped regional dex not only gave the player terrific options, but there's another point. In Sinnoh you're required to see all the mons in the regional dex in order to unlock the postgame. This made it so the opposing trainers also utilized these terrific options. That adds such texture and variety to a region. One of the main selling points of B2W2 is the execution of such a brilliant regional dex. Platinum is not too far behind.

This is on top of things like the Villa and the map aesthetic being revamped to add more diversity in the form of snow and tropical landscapes (maybe trivial). And of course Gym Leader/Elite Four rematches as well as the Battle Frontier (not trivial). Comparing DP to Platinum is like night and day.

On the other hand, comparing RS to Emerald, the latter does the villainous plot better, with better gym rosters and of course their own Battle Frontier. Big points, sure. But RS isn't losing on the regional dex which is roughly equivalent, the exact same AI in both games, and no mechanical issues like lack of speed or glitches in either case. RS even gets a big point in its favor as I said earlier, with having Steven as champion. GS vs. Crystal may as well be a wash, the differences being almost negligible. And RB may arguably be even better than Yellow in that the entirety of Yellow kind of feels like a shoehorned anime reference to me.

Yeah so, the gap between Platinum and its pair versions is like the Grand Canyon compared to the gap between other third/pair versions, in my view.
 
Its been a while since I've played Pokemon Insurgence, so IDK if its improved or not, but I don't think that's the best example to use. The game did have a lot of cool moments in the story, good music, cool locations, and an interesting concept in Delta Pokemon (which I think GF itself was inspired by for Alola forms), but the game was INSANELY grindy and had you fight against some near impossible mons and strategies (I remember that one boss with the Mega Beedrill being a HUGE pain in the ass). Its definetly a good game, but its something that is probably better for more hardcore players. It is also an open-source project, which makes it easier for players to give feedback on what they like and dislike, easier to get devs on board, and it doesn't matter nor harm the company as much if information is leaked (especially since the team is catering to a smaller audience). I would like Pokemon games to have as much content as Insurance, but I also understand if it doesn't since the game is made for a general audience and has a stricter deadline schedule (which I am indifferent on personally, though there are times where I am itching for a new Pokemon game like before SwSh came out).
Game Freaks was not inspired by Insurgence, Delta mons are a thing ported from TCG to the main series: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Δ_Delta_Species_(TCG).

If someone has a problem with Insurgence, just tone it down and keep everything else. Done. I have talked about Insurgence because I didn't want to talk about other games made by GF themselves, but you can't just go from Platinum on the DS to BDSP on the Nintendo Switch. I do think people still aren't aware of how much difference there is between a handheld console like the NDS or 3DS and the Nintendo Switch. But it isn't a problem of power, its a problem of ambition.

The point remains. Platinum will be a more rounded game that BDSP having released more than a decade sooner and for the Nintendo DS. BDSP are not faithful. HGSS were faithful. FRLG were faithful. Games that retained the general sense of the same adventure but added and improved so much on it.
 
Massive speed issues notwithstanding (which Platinum also partially shares, but still shares enough to also be borderline unplayable without fast-forward), I do not think DP is that behind Platinum in terms of quality...
As someone who played Pearl recently...

That AI ain't it. RBY-tier.

DP is an underrated foundation tho. BDSP's biggest question mark for me rn is the post-game.

I really wish they add something like the Galar Leader tournament.
 

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I really wish they add something like the Galar Leader tournament.
Yeah, we need more of the Gym Leaders (and Elite Four and other notable NPCs) bantering back-and-forth to one another. If often feels like the only connection these characters have to one another is via the player. Platinum and Gen V did a a bit of that, Platinum via the Villa and Gen V had the Gym Leaders more working together, but it was still kept between the Gym Leaders who were shown to have a connection between each other. One of the most fun things about the Galarian Star Tournament was seeing how the Gym Leaders who wouldn't normally react with one another respond to the other (sadly it didn't do every single combination, though they threw in a few fun ones at least so it's not just pairs who are familiar with one another).
 
Oh wait huh I just realized. The fact that one recent trailer had footage of player at route 216 w/o any mon behind them means that followers in bdsp will in fact be toggleable. coolio
Could just be followers disabled in blizzard areas for graphics/interactivity/programming reasons. Remember when people were convinced that followers in HGSS would be toggleable because of (iirc) Azalea + Blackthorn Gym footage? ("Since when would they allow followers in one Gym but disallow them in another")
 

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Could just be followers disabled in blizzard areas for graphics/interactivity/programming reasons. Remember when people were convinced that followers in HGSS would be toggleable because of (iirc) Azalea + Blackthorn Gym footage? ("Since when would they allow followers in one Gym but disallow them in another")
Nah we've had previous footage of the player walking in the deep snow of the route with Abomasnow behind them
 

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I mean I don't think it was asking too much for them to use Platinum as the base instead of DP. The gap in quality between Platinum and DP is absurd. That's not me being overly pessimistic, jaded or whatever. It's just a flat out truth. DP does some of the sprite work better than Platinum. And that's literally it. You're comparing one of the best games in the franchise to one of the worst. It's just a foolish decision on the part of GF, ILCA or whoever's in charge.

Even RS got something big right that Emerald didn't by making Steven champion instead of Wallace. So it wasn't a total loss for ORAS to use RS as the base instead (though overall still a loss). BDSP choosing DP over Platinum is just an objectively awful design decision.

Others can feel free to disagree, but I went into this release with some hope and actually rooting for this game to succeed. So I wouldn't say I've been "negative" from the start. But as information has slowly unveiled itself, that hope has almost completely dissipated. At this point I'm just viewing this game as comedic relief for how badly they're botching it.
Personally, I prefer Steven to Wallace as Steven is much much more interesting as a character, and i find him to be a much more compelling champion than the second water-type boss, let alone having to deal with the entirety of Team Aqua.
Very strangely they have shown off Empoleon in trailers for this game and even Legends, but Infernape and Torterra have been completely absent and have not been shown off at all. Granted Empoleon was only shown off in this game through a Poketch appearance, but the other two have not been seen in marketing for this game in any capacity.

They seem to adamantly not want to show off Infernape or Torterra in particular while Empoleon has been soft-shown-off in shots that are easy to miss. I do wonder why they feel compelled to only show off Empoleon but explicitly conceal Infernape and Torterra from existence thus far.
Weird, but hey, you won’t catch me complaining. Best starter gets the best treatment? You love to see it. Infernape and Torterra are great and all, but the penguin really takes the cake when it comes to sinnoh starters for me.
 
IoA & CT tied it to a NPC likely as just like...the best way to implement it, without needing to dedicate a new menu option to something that's only possible in 2 areas (albeit large) in the game.

Let's Go & BDSP let you do it anywhere (well, in any route or town anyway), so it makes sense to put that as a menu option.
 
Even RS got something big right that Emerald didn't by making Steven champion instead of Wallace. So it wasn't a total loss for ORAS to use RS as the base instead (though overall still a loss). BDSP choosing DP over Platinum is just an objectively awful design decision.
That's not something integral to gameplay though. That's purely opinion, whether Steven or Wallace is better. To me, I like Wallace more than Steven, so to me, Emerald was right at making Wallace champion, and RS and ORAS were wrong for making Steven champion.

If you want an actual gameplay advantage, RS doesn’t have any trade restrictions unlike FRLG and Emerald, meaning you can use the National Dex at any point. Sapphire also has another advantage over Emerald and Ruby when it comes to Pokedex completion in that you can obtain multiple Moon Stones, since Lunatone is found in the wild only in Sapphire. There's only one Moon Stone that can be found without Lunatone in the entirety of RSE, meaning you only get one either Delcatty or Wigglytuff in Ruby/Emerald.
 

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It was evident from the August trailer but I'm just wondering why the player character doesn't wear a hat in the early portion of the game leading up to meeting Rowan.

Is the player gonna go hatless until you get the Pokedex or something?
 
It was evident from the August trailer but I'm just wondering why the player character doesn't wear a hat in the early portion of the game leading up to meeting Rowan.

Is the player gonna go hatless until you get the Pokedex or something?
I think you'll probably get it when you go back to tell your mom you're going on a journey.

EDIT: Also here's a Gardenia one. Nothing notably new here except for text. https://s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/prod-lessar-contents/partner_5200e79c-a5ef-460f-813d-369cf109adea/arContent_15914/10_ナタネ_1031_ok.mp4
 
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OP has a comment where they post individual clips. It just seems mostly like character moments we've already seen from DPPt but if anyone can gleam something interesting that'd be neat
I dunno why but for some reason, I find it amusing that every single video about the remakes thus far has portrayed Cynthia as just a random npc you encounter thru the game and not the champion that made a lot of unsuspecting kids pull their hairs in frustration as the dreaded Garchomp ripped their teams to shreds
 

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Hi all,

While I understand there are conflicting opinions on what is being presented currently, please try and stay out of personal attacks on each other or on the Devs.

We all know how this usually rolls, but let's all just chill out a bit. Last few pages have been a bit frantic.

We're approaching release and I'm well aware people are going to get tetchy, let's just hold on for a few more weeks and everything will be out in the open.

I'll be talking with CRoll and Eisenherz about thread ideas for the subforum and we can likely start making some transitions over to that forum.
 
In game related discussion, does anybody here try to have their starter be the Pokemon that faces the Champions ace?

I didn't do it in Pokemon Shield because I was bad and dumb and Cinderace kept dying to anything Leon's Charizard did, so I gave him a panic attack with Eternatus.

I don't remember my battle against Diantha but I'm pretty sure Mega Lucario ripped through her whole team

But I did manage to have my Incineroar face off against Hau's Decidueye, and it felt really cool to end it with the Pokemon that started it.

And I plan on doing the same with Torterra destroying Cynthia's Garchomp. I'm going to use Weavile in my run, who could easily drop Chomp in one hit, but where's the fun in that?

Now...does Torterra learn any Ice moves?

ETA: No ice moves but it can learn Outrage. Your days are numbered Cynthia
 

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