That's just Hematite being a GOAT.
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Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl - Release 19th Nov 2021
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Another nice detail is the bibarel is seen being surfed on in the other trailer. I wonder if overworld moves will be accessible without needing HM slaves like in gen 7.
Perhaps it scales with the text speed. slow/med/fast
You know, I've been using the fact that we haven't seen the Legends starters past their first evolutions as a bit of evidence there might be new evolutions...but maybe they just love pressing the B button
Very strangely they have shown off Empoleon in trailers for this game and even Legends, but Infernape and Torterra have been completely absent and have not been shown off at all. Granted Empoleon was only shown off in this game through a Poketch appearance, but the other two have not been seen in marketing for this game in any capacity.
They seem to adamantly not want to show off Infernape or Torterra in particular while Empoleon has been soft-shown-off in shots that are easy to miss. I do wonder why they feel compelled to only show off Empoleon but explicitly conceal Infernape and Torterra from existence thus far.
They seem to adamantly not want to show off Infernape or Torterra in particular while Empoleon has been soft-shown-off in shots that are easy to miss. I do wonder why they feel compelled to only show off Empoleon but explicitly conceal Infernape and Torterra from existence thus far.
The fact they're, uh, well i mean guess for lack of a better term hiding Infernape & Torterra just makes me feel Empoleon was also meant to be "hidden" and someone missed it in their footage.
Although funnily enough, I think we've seen Prinplup but not Monferno & Grotle?
how odd
Its been a while since I've played Pokemon Insurgence, so IDK if its improved or not, but I don't think that's the best example to use. The game did have a lot of cool moments in the story, good music, cool locations, and an interesting concept in Delta Pokemon (which I think GF itself was inspired by for Alola forms), but the game was INSANELY grindy and had you fight against some near impossible mons and strategies (I remember that one boss with the Mega Beedrill being a HUGE pain in the ass). Its definetly a good game, but its something that is probably better for more hardcore players. It is also an open-source project, which makes it easier for players to give feedback on what they like and dislike, easier to get devs on board, and it doesn't matter nor harm the company as much if information is leaked (especially since the team is catering to a smaller audience). I would like Pokemon games to have as much content as Insurance, but I also understand if it doesn't since the game is made for a general audience and has a stricter deadline schedule (which I am indifferent on personally, though there are times where I am itching for a new Pokemon game like before SwSh came out).
I do. Why? Because I'm a customer. And so is everyone else who is complaining.
GameFreak, the Pokemon Company, and Nintendo wants to sell us this product, it's their job to convince us this product is worth buying.
But, from what they have shown us, to many of us who had played the original DP, many who were eagerly awaiting the Sinnoh remakes seeing how well the remakes for the first 3 gens were like, many who had played Platinum which had made significant improvements to the Diamond & Pearl experience, this is a subpar product. They want to sell us what is essentially a 3D facelift of the original Diamond & Pearl games with some slight new additions, features, & mechanics which are mostly just background or likely a necessary forced change. And notably, none of these shown changes are the improvements done in Platinum.
"Then don't buy it!"
I wasn't. But it doesn't end there. Because these aren't the last games they're ever going to make a remake of, we still have other generations which are getting older and no doubt they'd want to think about ways to rerelease Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn again sometime in the future.
Right now, GF could possibly be setting a precedent; testing the waters. "Can we just do a 3D facelift of the original vanilla games, being as lazy as possible, and still make a ton of money"? And if that answers comes out as "yes", well, unless someone on the staff has an exciting idea for the remakes than ORAS could end up as the last remake with any honest effort put into updating the region to modern standards. And ORAS itself wasn't a perfect game, once again also using the initial games as a basis instead of the better Emerald. Heck, even the current gen games have started to show GF cutting corners with it.
I like Pokemon. I want to buy the games. But not if they're like this. Pokemon can do better. It should be doing better. But GF have gotten either too complacent or in a rut (or both) with the core series games but refuse to ease their grip on it (letting the Pokemon Company or Nintendo take the reins, which possibly could mean making new games with little involvement from them; no, these games don't count, Masuda is still in charge of them).
Because it's a simple thing to do. Why not use the Platinum teams? Why not use the Platinum dex? Why not go around and add in the Pokemon onto each route and wild location that Platinum added instead of putting them all in the Underground where we have to mess around with statues to change the environment?
Simple question.
How about another simple question, this time for you Worldie, Scorpio, and anyone else who has the problems with us criticizing the game: Why do you care? Why do you, who have decided you'll be getting the game, care that we are voicing what we see as problems with the game?
Is is because there's something about the game you like and want to discuss? Go right ahead! No one is stopping you. We'll all be happy to talk about something positive.
Are you worried our criticism will change your mind? If that's the concern, maybe that's something to look into.
Are you worried about GF, Pokemon Company, and Nintendo? They'll be fine. Are you worried about the 3rd party development team making the games? To be honest I am too, I have a feeling a lot of these baffling design decisions had been ordered by Masuda with possible backup from GF higher ups and they had no choice to do them. Sadly if that's the case I don't see them really coming out of this ahead: if the games are successful GF will take the credit, if it flops they'll blame it on the 3rd party developers. It's a lose-lose scenario GF purposely setup.
You too are customers and GF & Pokemon Company have shown you enough to convince you to buy the game. Great for you. But that doesn't mean the rest of us are convinced. But that shouldn't affect your enjoyment of a game that hasn't been released yet.
Does it need it?
It has its own entire promotion. This was posted just a few days ago:
... WAIT! They're saying PIPLUP!? Why are they using Piplup's English name? The Piplup Promotion, or rather the Pochama Promotion, is a Japanese promotion, like maybe a few of the products from it made it to the English store but not any of the promotional material nor the videos they've been posting for it on the Japanese Youtube channel.
Pokémon mainline games will still sell well, especially because how huge the fanbase is.I do. Why? Because I'm a customer. And so is everyone else who is complaining.
GameFreak, the Pokemon Company, and Nintendo wants to sell us this product, it's their job to convince us this product is worth buying.
But, from what they have shown us, to many of us who had played the original DP, many who were eagerly awaiting the Sinnoh remakes seeing how well the remakes for the first 3 gens were like, many who had played Platinum which had made significant improvements to the Diamond & Pearl experience, this is a subpar product. They want to sell us what is essentially a 3D facelift of the original Diamond & Pearl games with some slight new additions, features, & mechanics which are mostly just background or likely a necessary forced change. And notably, none of these shown changes are the improvements done in Platinum.
"Then don't buy it!"
I wasn't. But it doesn't end there. Because these aren't the last games they're ever going to make a remake of, we still have other generations which are getting older and no doubt they'd want to think about ways to rerelease Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn again sometime in the future.
Right now, GF could possibly be setting a precedent; testing the waters. "Can we just do a 3D facelift of the original vanilla games, being as lazy as possible, and still make a ton of money"? And if that answers comes out as "yes", well, unless someone on the staff has an exciting idea for the remakes than ORAS could end up as the last remake with any honest effort put into updating the region to modern standards. And ORAS itself wasn't a perfect game, once again also using the initial games as a basis instead of the better Emerald. Heck, even the current gen games have started to show GF cutting corners with it.
I like Pokemon. I want to buy the games. But not if they're like this. Pokemon can do better. It should be doing better. But GF have gotten either too complacent or in a rut (or both) with the core series games but refuse to ease their grip on it (letting the Pokemon Company or Nintendo take the reins, which possibly could mean making new games with little involvement from them; no, these games don't count, Masuda is still in charge of them).
Because it's a simple thing to do. Why not use the Platinum teams? Why not use the Platinum dex? Why not go around and add in the Pokemon onto each route and wild location that Platinum added instead of putting them all in the Underground where we have to mess around with statues to change the environment?
Simple question.
How about another simple question, this time for you Worldie, Scorpio, and anyone else who has the problems with us criticizing the game: Why do you care? Why do you, who have decided you'll be getting the game, care that we are voicing what we see as problems with the game?
Is is because there's something about the game you like and want to discuss? Go right ahead! No one is stopping you. We'll all be happy to talk about something positive.
Are you worried our criticism will change your mind? If that's the concern, maybe that's something to look into.
Are you worried about GF, Pokemon Company, and Nintendo? They'll be fine. Are you worried about the 3rd party development team making the games? To be honest I am too, I have a feeling a lot of these baffling design decisions had been ordered by Masuda with possible backup from GF higher ups and they had no choice to do them. Sadly if that's the case I don't see them really coming out of this ahead: if the games are successful GF will take the credit, if it flops they'll blame it on the 3rd party developers. It's a lose-lose scenario GF purposely setup.
You too are customers and GF & Pokemon Company have shown you enough to convince you to buy the game. Great for you. But that doesn't mean the rest of us are convinced. But that shouldn't affect your enjoyment of a game that hasn't been released yet.
Does it need it?
It has its own entire promotion. This was posted just a few days ago:
... WAIT! They're saying PIPLUP!? Why are they using Piplup's English name? The Piplup Promotion, or rather the Pochama Promotion, is a Japanese promotion, like maybe a few of the products from it made it to the English store but not any of the promotional material nor the videos they've been posting for it on the Japanese Youtube channel.
The only way a Pokémon mainline game makes bad sales by Pokémon standards is releases way too frequent between mainline games on a single console, and there is a worry that might come true on the Switch system.
It’s unlikely that’s an inevitability considering the massive problems within the fanbase itself, so safe to say, it’s the even bigger fault for the fanbase for not agreeing with the Pokémon games deserving better quality. Especially since countless fans will never consider any future Pokémon good as long as National Dex will be absent.
I mean I don't think it was asking too much for them to use Platinum as the base instead of DP. The gap in quality between Platinum and DP is absurd. That's not me being overly pessimistic, jaded or whatever. It's just a flat out truth. DP does some of the sprite work better than Platinum. And that's literally it. You're comparing one of the best games in the franchise to one of the worst. It's just a foolish decision on the part of GF, ILCA or whoever's in charge.
Even RS got something big right that Emerald didn't by making Steven champion instead of Wallace. So it wasn't a total loss for ORAS to use RS as the base instead (though overall still a loss). BDSP choosing DP over Platinum is just an objectively awful design decision.
Others can feel free to disagree, but I went into this release with some hope and actually rooting for this game to succeed. So I wouldn't say I've been "negative" from the start. But as information has slowly unveiled itself, that hope has almost completely dissipated. At this point I'm just viewing this game as comedic relief for how badly they're botching it.
Even RS got something big right that Emerald didn't by making Steven champion instead of Wallace. So it wasn't a total loss for ORAS to use RS as the base instead (though overall still a loss). BDSP choosing DP over Platinum is just an objectively awful design decision.
Others can feel free to disagree, but I went into this release with some hope and actually rooting for this game to succeed. So I wouldn't say I've been "negative" from the start. But as information has slowly unveiled itself, that hope has almost completely dissipated. At this point I'm just viewing this game as comedic relief for how badly they're botching it.
OK so I read the last couple pages and aside from all the arguing, I have to ask that at some point wasn't it proven that expanded dex was gonna be the norm even above the underground due to a trainer sending out a Porygon-Z or something? The Porygon family didn't exist in DP, after all. Perhaps it was an... underground trainer, if they exist. Pretty sure we've never seen one.
Candice using a Snover is strange as hell, but then Cyrus uses a Weavile in a battle where previously it was a Sneasel, right? So a boss has had an edit made to his team to make it stronger, and Candice has an edit to make it weaker mon-wise, but now she uses Blizzard on Abomasnow so the sets are stronger. Might even imply Candice gives the Blizzard TM out, since I'm sure the reason it only had Avalanche before is because the AI would always use Blizzard if it had both Blizzard and Avalanche.
Are both sides not just confirmation biasing their own side and missing that there's evidence that goes both ways, and since there's evidence that goes both ways it means both sides are wrong? Seems like Gym Leaders are probably DP teams, but Cyrus can have a team in neither DP nor Pt. We don't know the policy on E4 and Champion, and it's fine for them to be treated differently (e.g. Phoebe had her ace Dusclops evolved into Dusknoir and Drake replaced his Shelgon with a Kingdra in ORAS; no gym leaders had such treatment) and if they're willing to modify Cyrus it seems likely they would modify the E4 and Champion as well.
Candice using a Snover is strange as hell, but then Cyrus uses a Weavile in a battle where previously it was a Sneasel, right? So a boss has had an edit made to his team to make it stronger, and Candice has an edit to make it weaker mon-wise, but now she uses Blizzard on Abomasnow so the sets are stronger. Might even imply Candice gives the Blizzard TM out, since I'm sure the reason it only had Avalanche before is because the AI would always use Blizzard if it had both Blizzard and Avalanche.
Are both sides not just confirmation biasing their own side and missing that there's evidence that goes both ways, and since there's evidence that goes both ways it means both sides are wrong? Seems like Gym Leaders are probably DP teams, but Cyrus can have a team in neither DP nor Pt. We don't know the policy on E4 and Champion, and it's fine for them to be treated differently (e.g. Phoebe had her ace Dusclops evolved into Dusknoir and Drake replaced his Shelgon with a Kingdra in ORAS; no gym leaders had such treatment) and if they're willing to modify Cyrus it seems likely they would modify the E4 and Champion as well.
I am pretty sure the only trainers seen using Porygon-Z was likely us
The part in the latest trailer (that is, the one that also showed off his subordinates) showed Weavile but there's no indication that fight was his 3-trainer fight (likewise we don't know which of their respective fights Mars, Jupiter & Saturn are shown but it's a bit irrelevant for them since they always have their aces).
The fight in the commercial is his first fight, but he didn't send out any Pokemon.
Just a quick note, but before we delve into anything, I think it's important to remember the difference between criticism and complaining, because "criticism" and "complaints" are two very different things. Criticism puts focus on the thing being criticized. In other words, "here is what is wrong with this thing or person". Complaining puts focus on the person doing the complaining. "I don't like/I hate this, etc.". Criticism of a product is completely fine, but constant whining/complaining can come off as very much suffocating/asphyxiating, as it puts more focus on you rather than the product itself that you intend to criticize. Sad as it is, it's clear many people cannot distinguish the difference between criticism and complaining and it shows. I don't mean to police how people talk about these games, but do remember that neutral and objective criticism differs from constant complaining and that it's important to remember that if you intend to criticize something, do not let it be drowned in constant whining. The BBND folks and many people on Twitter, Reddit, and other social media folk fall into the "constant whining" category which drowns out many of the genuine criticisms people can have about this series, which are many.
With all that said though, having spent years in many Internet communities surrounding games, animation, and whatnot, and especially with this series, I have found that especially with a series as long running and vast as this one the audience is so vast that there will always be people who value different things about a franchise like this, and as such, opinions will always differ amongst many crowds of people considering the many kinds of people a series like this draws in. As such, there will always be disagreements about what is and isn't good about individual entries in a series like Pokemon. If you asked what could be done better about Pokemon, people will always have different, if not outright dissonant, ideas about what could be done, because people's perceptions about what they want from a Pokemon game will always differ. What some may consider problems with a game like this or even the likes of Let's Go or SwSh may end up being something someone else doesn't care about, or maybe even likes. I know a few people who unironically like the DP Gym Leader/E4 rosters (I am not kidding!). When you have a franchise that has persisted for 20+ years, has attracted millions of fans over such an extended period of time, and has people from several different age groups who enjoy the franchise there will always be disagreements on various aspects of a franchise. It's impossible to please everyone at this point with any singular game, because people will always disagree on one thing or another. Do I wish the games could be "better"? Yeah. But sadly *how* they could be done better is a different idea for everyone, it's the curse of Pokemon becoming too successful for its own good. Especially with such a massive audience, there's a lot of noise, bad ideas, and dissonance floating around.
It's important to know that yes, you can have an opinion, but also remember that you shouldn't expect everyone to agree with you. Please keep this in mind when discussing anything, not just with Pokemon, but with any topic in general.
Worldie, I do think you have a point though. While I still have my personal concerns for the game, I'll wait before I draw any conclusions, and if reviews confirm anything I find worth criticizing, I'll speak up about it...once the game comes out. Of course, in a respectful way, such as "Here's what BDSP ultimately did wrong". Speaking as someone who does try to see both the merits and the flaws of everything I enjoy, I'll draw my own conclusions on this game. But in the end, I'll have to wait for the game to come out proper and for reviews to come out analyzing the game to see what this game is. And not just BDSP for that matter. Legends: Arceus too. I did the same with SwSh in the past. In the end, I'll just let the game speak for itself first, then I'll get the fuller picture of what is and isn't good about the game, and possibly be able to give a clearer, more objective criticism about the game.
In the end, it's on me to draw my own conclusions about the game when it comes out. Generally my approach to any game before its release is "Don't assume anything" and of course, it's always important not to set your expectations too high for anything and keep optimism for any game cautious, because you never know how good or bad a game it'll be. In other words, "let the game speak for itself".
But Platinum is just miles ahead of DP as it seriously polished many of DP's flaws to a T. DP is an okay game on its own so BDSP will probably be okay on that merit, especially for the newer kids, but Platinum was just on another level, especially since it had the job of fixing a flawed game (which it succeeded in doing), something Emerald didn't (Emerald was just adding icing on an already great cake, RS were seriously just excellent out the gate).
In the end I'm just like "ohhhh well". I already had apprehensions about it being more like DP than Platinum in the first place so I'm not too disappointed or enraged by the recent unveiling of stuff but it is indeed a shame. If I buy it I'll probably still enjoy it since Diamond was still one of the most formative Pokemon games for me ever and I enjoyed it a lot back then, but yeah, my thoughts on the design decisions at the end of the day are just "Alas".
With all that said though, having spent years in many Internet communities surrounding games, animation, and whatnot, and especially with this series, I have found that especially with a series as long running and vast as this one the audience is so vast that there will always be people who value different things about a franchise like this, and as such, opinions will always differ amongst many crowds of people considering the many kinds of people a series like this draws in. As such, there will always be disagreements about what is and isn't good about individual entries in a series like Pokemon. If you asked what could be done better about Pokemon, people will always have different, if not outright dissonant, ideas about what could be done, because people's perceptions about what they want from a Pokemon game will always differ. What some may consider problems with a game like this or even the likes of Let's Go or SwSh may end up being something someone else doesn't care about, or maybe even likes. I know a few people who unironically like the DP Gym Leader/E4 rosters (I am not kidding!). When you have a franchise that has persisted for 20+ years, has attracted millions of fans over such an extended period of time, and has people from several different age groups who enjoy the franchise there will always be disagreements on various aspects of a franchise. It's impossible to please everyone at this point with any singular game, because people will always disagree on one thing or another. Do I wish the games could be "better"? Yeah. But sadly *how* they could be done better is a different idea for everyone, it's the curse of Pokemon becoming too successful for its own good. Especially with such a massive audience, there's a lot of noise, bad ideas, and dissonance floating around.
It's important to know that yes, you can have an opinion, but also remember that you shouldn't expect everyone to agree with you. Please keep this in mind when discussing anything, not just with Pokemon, but with any topic in general.
Worldie, I do think you have a point though. While I still have my personal concerns for the game, I'll wait before I draw any conclusions, and if reviews confirm anything I find worth criticizing, I'll speak up about it...once the game comes out. Of course, in a respectful way, such as "Here's what BDSP ultimately did wrong". Speaking as someone who does try to see both the merits and the flaws of everything I enjoy, I'll draw my own conclusions on this game. But in the end, I'll have to wait for the game to come out proper and for reviews to come out analyzing the game to see what this game is. And not just BDSP for that matter. Legends: Arceus too. I did the same with SwSh in the past. In the end, I'll just let the game speak for itself first, then I'll get the fuller picture of what is and isn't good about the game, and possibly be able to give a clearer, more objective criticism about the game.
In the end, it's on me to draw my own conclusions about the game when it comes out. Generally my approach to any game before its release is "Don't assume anything" and of course, it's always important not to set your expectations too high for anything and keep optimism for any game cautious, because you never know how good or bad a game it'll be. In other words, "let the game speak for itself".
Yeeeah, it's a shame. ORAS using RS was fine since Ruby and Sapphire were already strong games on their own, Emerald was just icing atop a great cake. Same with HGSS using GS, since the differences between GS and Crystal were fairly small anyway.
But Platinum is just miles ahead of DP as it seriously polished many of DP's flaws to a T. DP is an okay game on its own so BDSP will probably be okay on that merit, especially for the newer kids, but Platinum was just on another level, especially since it had the job of fixing a flawed game (which it succeeded in doing), something Emerald didn't (Emerald was just adding icing on an already great cake, RS were seriously just excellent out the gate).
In the end I'm just like "ohhhh well". I already had apprehensions about it being more like DP than Platinum in the first place so I'm not too disappointed or enraged by the recent unveiling of stuff but it is indeed a shame. If I buy it I'll probably still enjoy it since Diamond was still one of the most formative Pokemon games for me ever and I enjoyed it a lot back then, but yeah, my thoughts on the design decisions at the end of the day are just "Alas".
Exactly. It would have taken an almost equal amount of effort to slap a new coat of paint on Platinum instead of DP and just slightly modify the Spear Pillar events to account for the respective box legendaries. That would result in vastly improved games from the ones we're seeing. It really wasn't an outlandish expectation. So the jadedness expressed by some including myself might stem from the fact that even our completely reasonable expectations were not met.
Having said that, I genuinely hope people find enjoyment out of this game. I'm just not even considering buying it. I remember when I heard about the Exp. All and just thinking "fuck this shit".
Not really. But it didn't need a Mega either.
At the very least it's Mega made it flat out worse than regular Chomp, compared to others Megas making already good Pokemon way overpowered. Fun stuff for casual playthroughs and not fucking over competitive...or it would be if you could actually use Megas in XY before post game.
Dragon Dance Garchomp could probably be Uber worthy. Compared to other Dancers like Dragonite and Salamence it's faster and has better stab options (Dragonite went 2 gens with no useful STAB once Fairies were added)
Massive speed issues notwithstanding (which Platinum also partially shares, but still shares enough to also be borderline unplayable without fast-forward), I do not think DP is that behind Platinum in terms of quality...
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DP's achilles heel was and forever will be the wretched Pokemon selection due to the restricted dex. Platinum solved that, and BDSP solved it even harder by going "fuck it, have a buncha shit not even in the Platinum dex via Underground". By those tokens, both of these games are immediately 500x better.
Yeah, as much as BDSP has quite a few disadvantages compared to Platinum, the increased variety and Box Link allowing me to rotate my team at any time will be things I will enjoy when I do end up playing it. And DP was a pretty good foundation to build on so by all accounts it'll be a fun game imo. I'll always prefer Platinum personally but BDSP isn't without its good points and will certainly be a more playable version of DP. Not having the glaring technical issues of DP or the ridiculous HM problem is also nice. It's still not going to be as good as Platinum, as much as I wish it could've been, but I suppose there will be some merit for those who do want to play it in the end.
No matter if you prefer Platinum or if you like BDSP more, one thing is certain though:
Begone with you, original Diamond and Pearl!
CTNC
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This is so true and something to be very thankful for if you get this game. More Fire types, like everyone mentions because of Flint, and getting Ice Types before Route 217 are massive improvements, but it bothers me so much that they seem to be only giving the unrestricted dex for the player. (Judging by the Ice Gym's Snover.) Platinum also unrestricted other trainers. Flint's Team, the Ice Gym's Medicham, and the Electric Gym only having 2 out of 4 Pokemon being Electric Types is something they should've fixed. I don't care if it's faithful because it's being faithful to the problems if Flint still has two Fire types. (I will never stop beating this dead horse after they brought it back for the remake without fixing it!)
You could say SwSh's Dragon Gym Leader didn't have all Dragons, but he's also based around weather and his non-Dragons are at least reptiles (Sandaconda and Torkoal) or rugged enough to not stand out among Dragons... Wait, does Gigalith learn any Dragon Moves? *checks* Huh, and neither does Torkoal. Well, that weakens my argument but at least that wasn't from a restricted dex. Diamond and Pearl didn't even try for Pokemon that matched the trainer's theme and slapped on anything that could learn any move of the user's type, like Lopunny's Egg Move Fire Punch or even just Drifblim's Will-O-Wisp. Even back when I didn't realize Flint only had 2 Fire types because there were only 2 Fire types, I thought Will-O-Wisp was a stretch. (Yes, I'm complaining about Status Moves and yes, I get the irony of me doing that.)
Judging by the Ice Gym's Snover, they didn't fix this. Oh, and the Switch caring case with Cynthia's Platinum team is just fuel for the salty fire. Now that I'm sure they didn't do the one fix that would make me buy this game, I'm happy to watch the world burn. I'm sure most players can burn the world better than Flint.
Void glitch / Retire glitch and potential upcoming ACE discoveries say hiYeah, as much as BDSP has quite a few disadvantages compared to Platinum, the increased variety and Box Link allowing me to rotate my team at any time will be things I will enjoy when I do end up playing it. And DP was a pretty good foundation to build on so by all accounts it'll be a fun game imo. I'll always prefer Platinum personally but BDSP isn't without its good points and will certainly be a more playable version of DP. Not having the glaring technical issues of DP or the ridiculous HM problem is also nice. It's still not going to be as good as Platinum, as much as I wish it could've been, but I suppose there will be some merit for those who do want to play it in the end.
No matter if you prefer Platinum or if you like BDSP more, one thing is certain though:
Begone with you, original Diamond and Pearl!
It's not even close. The speed issue was significantly rectified in Platinum which operates on the same engine as HGSS. The AI went from utterly random to quite competent in Platinum. And the revamped regional dex not only gave the player terrific options, but there's another point. In Sinnoh you're required to see all the mons in the regional dex in order to unlock the postgame. This made it so the opposing trainers also utilized these terrific options. That adds such texture and variety to a region. One of the main selling points of B2W2 is the execution of such a brilliant regional dex. Platinum is not too far behind.
This is on top of things like the Villa and the map aesthetic being revamped to add more diversity in the form of snow and tropical landscapes (maybe trivial). And of course Gym Leader/Elite Four rematches as well as the Battle Frontier (not trivial). Comparing DP to Platinum is like night and day.
On the other hand, comparing RS to Emerald, the latter does the villainous plot better, with better gym rosters and of course their own Battle Frontier. Big points, sure. But RS isn't losing on the regional dex which is roughly equivalent, the exact same AI in both games, and no mechanical issues like lack of speed or glitches in either case. RS even gets a big point in its favor as I said earlier, with having Steven as champion. GS vs. Crystal may as well be a wash, the differences being almost negligible. And RB may arguably be even better than Yellow in that the entirety of Yellow kind of feels like a shoehorned anime reference to me.
Yeah so, the gap between Platinum and its pair versions is like the Grand Canyon compared to the gap between other third/pair versions, in my view.
Game Freaks was not inspired by Insurgence, Delta mons are a thing ported from TCG to the main series: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Δ_Delta_Species_(TCG).
If someone has a problem with Insurgence, just tone it down and keep everything else. Done. I have talked about Insurgence because I didn't want to talk about other games made by GF themselves, but you can't just go from Platinum on the DS to BDSP on the Nintendo Switch. I do think people still aren't aware of how much difference there is between a handheld console like the NDS or 3DS and the Nintendo Switch. But it isn't a problem of power, its a problem of ambition.
The point remains. Platinum will be a more rounded game that BDSP having released more than a decade sooner and for the Nintendo DS. BDSP are not faithful. HGSS were faithful. FRLG were faithful. Games that retained the general sense of the same adventure but added and improved so much on it.
As someone who played Pearl recently...
That AI ain't it. RBY-tier.
DP is an underrated foundation tho. BDSP's biggest question mark for me rn is the post-game.
I really wish they add something like the Galar Leader tournament.