Reminds me that, in the Spaceworld 97 beta of Gold and Silver, there are no new Pokemon that are Rock type, like at all. Didn't even have beta versions of the Gen II Pokemon that were Rock type in the final version of the game.
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Pokemon Legends - Arceus - 28th Jan 2022 *Official Content Only*
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Sorry for quoting again so soon but here's my take on this:
Alright so if we are to assume this leak about an "old Bear Pokémon getting an evolution" is real, here's our candidates (Putting it in order of what I think is more likely):
I doubt we're getting a split evo for it? Sounds odd to me to advertise Ursaring in some trailers instead of the new potential evo
Bear-ness is debatable (Red Pandas arn't bears) but it's definitely too recent to be called "old" so I am crossing it off my list
Also too recent, only slightly higher than Stufful because I can maybe see its ugly ass evo getting a new form given this game's battle mechanics sort of relate to Rapid and Single strikes. Still a big stretch though
Grouping these because my thoughts are more orless the same, they feel still somewhat recent to be called "old" altho BW is already over a decde old ;~; and the setting feels odd for either of them. With Cubchoo specifically that would be the fourth Unova mon to get a new thing (potentially fifth given Oshawott), which feels kind of like a lot.
Now THIS is what I call a good candidate! Spinda has pretty low bst (360) and unlike the above, it does not currently have any evolution. I'd say it's a pretty forgotten mon, and given the new (non-split) crossgens we have so far are of Stantler and Basculin (let's be real they too were pretty forgotten mons lol) it doesn't sound too far off to me that they'd try to save another pretty forgotten mon (Only leaves me wondering what type it's going to be - We already have the Normal specialist of the game using Wyrdeer, so it would have to be a dual-type if we are to assume every warden will have a new Pokémon tied to them)
Hope those all made sense
I doubt we're getting a split evo for it? Sounds odd to me to advertise Ursaring in some trailers instead of the new potential evo Bear-ness is debatable (Red Pandas arn't bears) but it's definitely too recent to be called "old" so I am crossing it off my list Also too recent, only slightly higher than Stufful because I can maybe see its ugly ass evo getting a new form given this game's battle mechanics sort of relate to Rapid and Single strikes. Still a big stretch though Grouping these because my thoughts are more orless the same, they feel still somewhat recent to be called "old" altho BW is already over a decde old ;~; and the setting feels odd for either of them. With Cubchoo specifically that would be the fourth Unova mon to get a new thing (potentially fifth given Oshawott), which feels kind of like a lot. Now THIS is what I call a good candidate! Spinda has pretty low bst (360) and unlike the above, it does not currently have any evolution. I'd say it's a pretty forgotten mon, and given the new (non-split) crossgens we have so far are of Stantler and Basculin (let's be real they too were pretty forgotten mons lol) it doesn't sound too far off to me that they'd try to save another pretty forgotten mon (Only leaves me wondering what type it's going to be - We already have the Normal specialist of the game using Wyrdeer, so it would have to be a dual-type if we are to assume every warden will have a new Pokémon tied to them)Hope those all made sense
Aside from Rowlet & Oshawott, I don't believe so.
Oh, well, I mean, I'd assume SYlveon is at least in this one since it's not as beholden to the past, but such is Eevee.
e: Building off the other topic I think we all have to admit it would be pretty funny if after both these games come out all the pokemon are STILL not in gen 8
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This might be a controversial statement to some, and things could easily change, but as of this moment I have no reason to believe that the upcoming Sinnoh games will jointly give us the complete National Dex. In my own time I've done a tally of missing Pokemon, and if we're generous and assume BDSP and Legends will at least complete Gens 1-4, we have the following Pokemon left:
Gen 5
Starters, Watchog, elemental monkeys, Zebstrika, Leavanny, Swanna, Sawsbuck, Alomomola, Eelektross, Meloetta (31)
Gen 6
Starters, Vivillon, Pyroar, Florges, Gogoat, Furfrou, Hoopa (21)
Gen 7
Toucannon, Gumshoos, Crabominable, Oricorio, Minior, Komala, Bruxish (11)
Now admittedly this isn't a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but whether these two games will cover these mons is a huge question mark at this moment. BDSP shows no indication of having any Pokemon from after Gen 5 at all, and all the post-Gen 4 mons in BDSP with the exception of maybe 2/3 of the starters are only in because they have a new form or evolution. I dunno, I feel like we should've seen footage of a Zebstrika or Gogoat wandering around by now if that was one of PLA's objectives? Don't forget, all this is assuming that SWSH will even be updated to add the Pokemon in these games, which is far from set in stone at this point.
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Well we'll see what happens I suppose. It is also a little interesting that other than Oshawott*, the gen 5 pokemon we've seen thus far (admittedly few) are all ones already in SWSH.
*Your counts in general are a little off, though it's more splitting hairs
You counted Oshawott line (and me personally i'd probably say the other 2 would be available, but one thing at a time) in gen 5
Gen 6 you missed Furfrou
Gen 7 you missed the Pikipek line
Are Pikipek/Trumbeak/Toucannon not still in the shadow realm?
Hear, hear. I have every confidence that SwSh's roster is final as of Crown Tundra (already a full year old), but I will be pleasantly surprised if it isn't.
I still maintain it'd make perfect sense for the 2022 update to come with a SWSH compatibility patch just because it will continue to be the competitive game pushed for VGC until gen 9 hits. It's an easy way to inject extra variety (both online, ranked mode, with casuals, new play options, and not just VGC) & adds extra incentive to pick up a game you might otherwise not
I'm also intrigued by both BDSP & LA having Origin markings from the get go, incidentally. Let's Go did get a mark, but only after SWSH came out; BDSP (the triangle with circles representing the lakes) and LA (based on arceus' mandala iirc) have it plainly visible in their respective games. Could mean nothing of course, you could make any number of reasonable (accurate, even!) guesses as to why but it certainly gets my emojis thinking.
I'm also intrigued by both BDSP & LA having Origin markings from the get go, incidentally. Let's Go did get a mark, but only after SWSH came out; BDSP (the triangle with circles representing the lakes) and LA (based on arceus' mandala iirc) have it plainly visible in their respective games. Could mean nothing of course, you could make any number of reasonable (accurate, even!) guesses as to why but it certainly gets my emojis thinking.
(also Furfrou from 6 and Pikipek etc from 7)
So some interesting things with that. The 2 gens of starters aren't a surprise, starter releases are difficult for a number of reasons. Vivillon, Florges, Furfrou, Sawsbuck, Oricorio, Minior, and Meloetta are all mons with significant alternate forms that I could see being a problem to program(I'm sure Smeargle will remain Dexited forever for the same reason). And Komala has the potential to be broken as hell. That leaves:
Watchog, Elemental Monkeys, Zebstrika, Leavanny, Swanna, Alomomola, Eelektross, Pyroar, Gogoat, Hoopa, Gumshoos, Crabominable, Bruxish, Toucannon. Some of those feel like just them not bothering to include the mon*, because it's not popular and we have 10 things that do the same thing already. Eelektross and Alomomola feel like GF actively trying to screw over stall. Hoopa(form-shifting legendary with 2 signature moves) and Gogoat(maybe they've been trying to figure out ride mons and don't want to introduce Gogoat without that) are ones that can theoretically be justified.**
The monkeys, though...the monkeys confuse me. They were EVERYWHERE. They were gym leader mons, restaurant battles used them, every new gimmick format or odd trainer pulled them out, they were as bad as Zubat. And then they didn't show up in Alola, and haven't been back since. Either GF figured out their gimmick is boring, which seems unlikely, or something strange is going on.
*Bruxish, Swanna, Zebstrika, Watchog, Leavanny, Gumshoos, Crabominable, Pyroar, Toucanon. Like, if you told me GF straight-up forgot these mons exist, I'd believe you.
**I'm not saying that IS the reason, just that I could understand if it was the reason.
The big unifying factor with most of the pokemon (& this applied to gens 1-4 missing) was the bulk of them were early route mons, followed by various seemingly random omissions
Like every single gen 6 pokemon? Those are available on the first like 3 routes of the game aside from Hoopa. All but 3 of Alola's missing dudes are from MeleMele.
Like every single gen 6 pokemon? Those are available on the first like 3 routes of the game aside from Hoopa. All but 3 of Alola's missing dudes are from MeleMele.
Simisear is literally the least popular Pokémon of all time according to that Japanese poll from Gen 6, and iirc the other two monkeys didn't fare well either. Game Freak most likely just realized that the monkeys were unpopular and that continuing to promote them would make it worse.
I've spotted a flaw in your theory.
The elemental monkeys rapidly faded out of commission after BW1. They were explicitly designed around Cilan, Chili, and Cress, and their entire gimmick was to be a tutorial for the first gym on type matchups, with one of the triplets using one and then you getting one of your own to counter theirs, while in lore their designs are meant to be mons who can cook with each playing a role in the cooking process with the whole Striaton being a restaurant thing. Without Cilan, Chili, and Cress, there's not much of a point to have them around.
They faded away after that, since in BW2 while they were still there, the triplets weren't Gym Leaders anymore so they were less prominent overall, and the only other game they were available in was XY, which threw them into the first forest, and they were likely in Kalos because Lumiose City has some fine dining restaurants which their cooking schtick works for so it made sense to put them there. They haven't been prominent ever since, especially since there are no fine dining spots in any games after that and Cilan, Chili, and Cress aren't in any of the other regions.
They faded away after that, since in BW2 while they were still there, the triplets weren't Gym Leaders anymore so they were less prominent overall, and the only other game they were available in was XY, which threw them into the first forest, and they were likely in Kalos because Lumiose City has some fine dining restaurants which their cooking schtick works for so it made sense to put them there. They haven't been prominent ever since, especially since there are no fine dining spots in any games after that and Cilan, Chili, and Cress aren't in any of the other regions.
Always a good stance to take. :)
I thought they were worth a recap since they are allegedly related to the infamous riddler, and the collage was posted before the found footage trailer (by Centro, see this tweet, which Khu says Centro stole from him). The reasoning behind why one of the clues points to a ghost-type Zorua/Zoroark did seem specific enough to warrant some attention. But, even if they are legit there's certainly no guarantees there isn't any false info or speculation being thrown own into the mix. Last night Khu started accusing eclipse of piggybacking off of their tweets and mixing in speculation in a way that made it look like actual hints/reveals of upcoming mons. How much of this is real, if any, will only become clear after the fact.
Anyways, moving away from alleged leak-based speculation: it will be interesting to see what the final type distributions of new forms and evolutions are. We already have two normal, psychic, ghost, and rock lines, with fire and bug with one line so far. While I don't expect equal distributions of types across the new mons, hopefully there are enough new lines that each type gets at least one representative. Fairy in particular could use a gen 4 representative beyond just the retconned Togekiss and Mime Jr.!
I disagree. I don't think they're going to give any Pokemon which has a Gen IV cross evo a Variant cause, in a way, the cross gen evo IS the variant.So, conclusion so far: although I think Hisui variants of Sinnoh mons are relatively unlikely, given the officially available information, if any do receive variants these four lines would be the most likely options, given that their lines have yet to appear at all in any art or trailers: the togepiline, duskull
line, sneasel
line, and lickitung
line.
... You know what if they're going to play this stupid game of pictionary instead of, you know, just telling us how about we just don't play along. Leaker, you want the credit for leaking the new Pokemon? THEN TELL US THE NEW POKEMON! What, you think doing this little game is not gonna get you in trouble if The Pokemon Company learns who you are? No, they will still go after you and fine you up the Stunky. So just stop beating around the bush.
CALLING IT NOW: Legends: Arceus is gonna have the ancestors of the triplets & we're gonna get Hisuian versions of the Monkeys. But since we're actually in a Japanese region this time they will be based on the Three Wise Monkeys:
- Pansage is a Psychic-type representing "Speak No Evil" (uses telepathy instead) & evolves via the Shiny Stone. Goes from Green to Purple.
- Pansear is an Electric-type representing "Hear No Evil" (can send out & receive Morse code instead) & evolves via a Thunder Stone. Goes from Red to Orange/Yellow.
- Panpour is an Ice-type representing "See No Evil" (its new habitat has given it permanent snow blindness (and snow is a good absorber of sound) so senses vibrations instead) and evolves via an Ice Stone. Goes from Blue to White.
Finally the triplet's ancestors have disabilities associated with the monkeys, BUT they use another monkey which is better at helping them through their disability: Pansage's is blind (thus uses Pansage's telepathy to show her "visions"), Pansear's is mute (thus Pansear uses its unique way of communicating to "speak"), and Panpour's is deaf (thus Panpour uses its vibration sense to detect sound waves to let her "hear").
Nah, I think they've got the right idea. Just coming out and saying "here are the new Pokemon" not only cuts the hype train abruptly short, but it also cuts people's interest in the leaker short. By stringing people along with cryptic pictograms, they not only allow people to actually be surprised when the Pokemon get officially revealed, but it also keeps people talking about the leaker and their leaks, since people will keep trying to figure out what the riddles mean, and the whole riddle gimmick in general has an air of mystery that makes things interesting.
But they're already based on the three wise monkeys lol, its why the Pours have closed eyes and the Sages' art show them doing signals with their hand (And why Pansear's art has it with its hand on its ear, it's trying to hear something)
Not gonna lie, besides Pour having its eyes closed, the connection between the Cooking Monkeys and the Wise Monkeys has always felt extremely tenuous. It's basically just "they're monkeys and there are three of them".
I do get what you're saying but while I agree the execution leaves to be desired, I'm personally not one to like it when Regional Variants just take a mon's og concept and makes a new design with kind of the same concept but with an improved take. I wouldn't be fully opposed to monkey variants based on them but personally doesn't feel like something the Legends variants are aiming to do / They don't really sound very interesting concepts to me to just take "Mon with loose concept into following concept more". Dunno, hope that made sense
Since thr topic of the Riddler has been brought up again, it should be noted that there was a little drama a few days ago. He called out other people like Ball Guy Leaks, Centro, and Eclipse of all mooching off of his info, and has decided ro only reveal the meaning hints after the pokemon have debuted via official trailers. But before he left, he named dropped one pokemon and heavily hinted at another outright
Hisuian Goodra, which i believe is hint number 8, and Hisuian Avalugg, which is supposedly Ice/Rock and is hint 10
We wouldnt be talking about them at all if it was just dust in the wind.
Riddler_khu, eclipse, and ball giy all hinted at Zoroark, and seem to circulate simillar reports. Another revesl or 2 can nail down whether everything is trustworthy or not.
Riddler_khu, eclipse, and ball giy all hinted at Zoroark, and seem to circulate simillar reports. Another revesl or 2 can nail down whether everything is trustworthy or not.
