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Pokemon Seminar - Maximizing Your Odds of Winning (August 14th, 2010)

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Well this was a great seminar and i learned a lot of stuff that should help me a lot so thanks guyz =].I do have 1 question tho...

I cant remember who (Probably Raecharzo) talked about a Rotom Vs Ttar situation where Earthworm went ballsy and superpower'd. Well why would the Rotom want to switch out for no reason?
Il just call Earthworms opponent "Victim" bcuz it makes me lol.
Lets see...Since he didnt mention what kind of set the Rotom was running i will just consider it to be something other than scarf.Now if the victim was aware that the Tyranitar was scarfed then wouldn't it be just ideal to stay in and just throw out a random WoW or Thunderbolt or w\e so the opponent dsnt do something random?Its basicly the same thing but you get to get your late game sweeper in safely.And if we suppose that the Rotom was fairly bulky and at a good health (Probably not) then he could survive the Weak Pirsuit anyway.But no1 is "THAT" stupid to actually let their Rotom die for no possible reason what so ever.
Now if the Rotom was scarfed as well then isnt it even more stupid to switch out when you can get in a free hit before then Pirsuit your ass? Even doing a bit with shadow ball never hurts.Unless he was using HP Psychic......
In another scenario if the victim didnt know what kind of set the Tyranitar was running (Dd,Mix,Curse..What else is there?) which is highly unlikely as if your unsure about the set people just go with a status move most of the time.And he would probably have been worried about DD and this probably wouldnt sent in Lucario unless it had Bullet punch and the Tyranitar was severly weakened because most people tend to be a bit more conservative than that with Luke.This scenario is highly unlikely however and he probably knew the Tar was scared but yah...

This is all prooven wrong if the victim was just plainly a noob or simply wasnt paying enough attention/Being careful.

I hope this all seems reasonable and if my logic is flawed do explain how =].
 
N00b Lyf3 said:
Well this was a great seminar and i learned a lot of stuff that should help me a lot so thanks guyz =].I do have 1 question tho...

I cant remember who (Probably Raecharzo) talked about a Rotom Vs Ttar situation where Earthworm went ballsy and superpower'd. Well why would the Rotom want to switch out for no reason?
Il just call Earthworms opponent "Victim" bcuz it makes me lol.
Lets see...Since he didnt mention what kind of set the Rotom was running i will just consider it to be something other than scarf.Now if the victim was aware that the Tyranitar was scarfed then wouldn't it be just ideal to stay in and just throw out a random WoW or Thunderbolt or w\e so the opponent dsnt do something random?Its basicly the same thing but you get to get your late game sweeper in safely.And if we suppose that the Rotom was fairly bulky and at a good health (Probably not) then he could survive the Weak Pirsuit anyway.But no1 is "THAT" stupid to actually let their Rotom die for no possible reason what so ever.
Now if the Rotom was scarfed as well then isnt it even more stupid to switch out when you can get in a free hit before then Pirsuit your ass? Even doing a bit with shadow ball never hurts.Unless he was using HP Psychic......
In another scenario if the victim didnt know what kind of set the Tyranitar was running (Dd,Mix,Curse..What else is there?) which is highly unlikely as if your unsure about the set people just go with a status move most of the time.And he would probably have been worried about DD and this probably wouldnt sent in Lucario unless it had Bullet punch and the Tyranitar was severly weakened because most people tend to be a bit more conservative than that with Luke.This scenario is highly unlikely however and he probably knew the Tar was scared but yah...

This is all prooven wrong if the victim was just plainly a noob or simply wasnt paying enough attention/Being careful.

I hope this all seems reasonable and if my logic is flawed do explain how =].
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Not even going to read all that as it's just a waste of time since it was a latias and not a rotom...
 
It was a Scarf locked Rotom stuck on Shadow Ball. Why would you leave a Rotom locked on Shadow Ball in on an unknown Tyranitar? If it doesn't have Pursuit you can get away unscathed by switching out, and if it has Pursuit you're dead anyways but the damage you do is minimal. If it's a Dragon Dance variant,it's even worse because you will have given it a chance to nab TWO Dragon Dances minimum. You would risk this just to get some resisted Shadow Ball damage in, when you could very well not even be trapped at all?

Either way, you're missing the point of that story. Basically the point was that there are times when blind predictions are necessary and good (in this example, if the rest of your team is weak against Lucario, and your only shot is to nail one on the switch). Otherwise trying to blind predict all match isn't a good idea, and if you get any advantage from doing so, it is from sheer random luck.

Also, I'm pretty sure it was Rotom, not Latias, but either way the point remains in tact.
 
No but if you dont know the set and it turns out to be a DDtar then didnt you just make a Pointless switch and now you have to Switch Out to your Flygon/Swampert w\e who also has to take a EQ/Fire Punch.
But i suppose i am missing the point.I coudln't sleep all night the day before so i was just going through the seminar in my head cuz i had nothing better to do for like 6 hours so it was a good way to pass time haha.

And Scofeild it was a Rotom =P.
 
I remember discussing this right after it happened so unless you mean something else phil, this was the turn in EW vs Sapientia for smogon tournament.

Sapientia switched in LATIAS (lvl 100 Latias ?).
Pointed stones dug into LATIAS.
LATIAS lost 12% of its health.
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
It's not very effective...
LATIAS lost 17% of its health.
Starmie lost 10% of its health.
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Earthworm switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Pointed stones dug into Tyranitar.
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
LATIAS used Thunderbolt.
Tyranitar lost 16% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
LATIAS is buffetted by the sandstorm!
LATIAS lost 6% of its health.
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Sapientia switched in LUCARIO (lvl 100 Lucario ?).
Pointed stones dug into LUCARIO.
LUCARIO lost 3% of its health.
Tyranitar used Brick Break.
It's super effective!
LUCARIO lost 97% of its health.
Sapientia's LUCARIO fainted.
The sandstorm rages.



Like, why would you even doubt my memory here, not to mention I have the complete log.
 
hahahahaha phil got told

im confused why he switched lucario into tyranitar though, as presumably the plan to deal with ddtar is to trick it with latias then beat it with lucario (or else he would have gone to his dd ttar counter?) i guess it makes sense if his plan is to intimidate + kill with metagross or something though, don't want to switch that into cb crunch...

edit: scofield send me the log plzthx
 
whistle said:
hahahahaha phil got told

im confused why he switched lucario into tyranitar though, as presumably the plan to deal with ddtar is to trick it with latias then beat it with lucario (or else he would have gone to his dd ttar counter?) i guess it makes sense if his plan is to intimidate + kill with metagross or something though, don't want to switch that into cb crunch...

edit: scofield send me the log plzthx
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I don't even know what happened in the battle, but if Tyranitar is Scarfed, Lucario takes minimal damage from Crunch and you know you can setup Metagross later. If its banded, Lucario takes around 50% I think and still can setup without fear of being revenged. If ttar is Dragon Dance, then you can easily switch to the Scarf Latias in that situation to Trick tyranitar on TTar's predictable Earthquake of Lucario. If Sapientia had just Latias, Lucario, and Metagross, then that was likely his best option for the rest of the Match. But yeah, without looking at the log, that's probably the likely reason for the Lucario switch.
 
Is the tutor program going to be postponed until the tutors have a chance to get better acquainted with the new metagame that's around the corner? Will the people who are currently waiting for a tutor get a say as to when they would like to receive a tutor?
 
Its a pretty simple equation. Rotom can't afford to stay in for a small chunk of Tyranitar's HP if it DDances. You always have to assume the worst case scenario. However from the Tyranitar's point of view, switching in Lucario was incredibly obvious (if he'd seen it) but he also knew that the Rotom user likely didn't have something else to take a powerful Crunch, and that the Rotom user shouldn't have risked staying in. Brick Break is actually the most logical move since so many switch ins to dark moves are actually fighting weak.
 
I can't really answer this, but I think its too early to postpone the tutoring program right now, since its going to take a few months to figure the effects of the new moves/abilities AND implement them onto shoddy battle.
 
Sage Abdul said:
I can't really answer this, but I think its too early to postpone the tutoring program right now, since its going to take a few months to figure the effects of the new moves/abilities AND implement them onto shoddy battle.
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Since it will take a few months we can assume there will still be 4th generation tournaments and maybe a last "Round" would be very helpful. Aren't you considering it?
 
zdrup15 said:
I have the same doubt. Can someone answer this?
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I doubt the program will be canceled, as 4th generation is still widely played and is considered the "main" generation still. 5th generation doesn't even have a reliable simulator either, and no, the alpha testing server on PO doesn't count.
 
This is becoming a Q&A thread. That is not the purpose of this thread. If you have any serious questions about the program, feel free to PM one of the staff members of Battling 101.
 
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