Data Pokemon Sun/Moon Battle Mechanics Research

[UltiMario]

Check if Mud Slap, Mud Bomb, Mud Shot, and Drill Run can now hit Flying-types.

No, the bones moves also still don't.

Relevant for whatever 6v6 singles tier Klefki's in: Does Prankster Spikes fail on Dark types?

(Guessing not since it's field targetted but still...)

No, but it sure as hell blocks Defog.

 

[Count Bleck]

That makes five Abilities with misleading/incomplete descriptions, which honestly leads me to believe that there are more out there. The -Ate abilities are still under debate as to whether there multipliers have been nerfed to 1.2x, or if they stayed at 1.3x. But either way, neither of those multipliers are NOT what I'd consider a "little boost", as their descriptions say. A part of me thinks that it's worth testing every ability out in strange scenarios just to make sure no stones have been left unturned.

Question: Starting with Gen 6, it was determined that Toxic has perfect accuracy when used by Poison-Types. Are there other Status moves that have perfect accuracy when used by a Pokemon of the same Type as said Status move (like a Fire-Type using Will-O-Wisp)? And while this is a massive stretch, I'm not secluding this to the Status Condition inflicting moves, I'm also thinking about moves like Sweet Kiss and Kinesis. Probably not, as it doesn't work with Darkrai, and something this major would have already been reported, but it never hurts to try.

Also, does the Trick Room Glitch (ignore Trick Room when you're at 1809 Speed) still exist?

This would possibly explain why the status moves got nerfed... Maybe Electric Types can always hit Paralysis with T-wave? Can someone test this theory?

 

[Nexus]

TR glitch was only in Gen V iirc.

Something I forgot to ask for: see if Water-types are immune to Scald burns.

No they still get burned.

 

[oreofestar]

Dark types are now immune to prankster moves
https://twitter.com/pokemon_PhD/status/799099789476499456

 

[raikoo]

o_o can we get a few more confirmations cuz this is just...bizarre (no offense UltiMario)

https://twitter.com/palkia/status/799099305520988160
just recorded this to prove it

 

[13_luckynumber]

How did we find out about Water Bubble's hidden effect in the first place?

 

[Swaggy-G]

How did we find out about Water Bubble's hidden effect in the first place?

Some Anon on 4chan noticed Liquidation did more damage against Drifblim than a super effective Crunch. Someone else (me lol) linked the thread here and UltiMario determined the hidden effect.

 

[Jibaku]

Before we get too crazy on testing ridiculous hidden interactions...

I know this one's stretching it but...

With its Dex entry and official site saying that Zygarde-C can overwhelm both Yveltal and Xerneas, does Power Construct have a hidden effect vs Fairy/Dark Aura?

 

[Count Bleck]

How did we find out about Water Bubble's hidden effect in the first place?

Someone on 4chan was puzzled why a super effective Crunch on a Drifblim was doing less than Liquidation.

 

[UltiMario]

Dark Type Pokemon with Prankster will be effected by status moves bounced back with Magic Bounce/Coat. This is the case even if the Magic Bounce/Coat user is Dark Type.

 

[raikoo]

https://twitter.com/palkia/status/799103843103625216
since someone asked about field moves, etc against dark types.
tldw; hazards, weather moves, trick room all work fine against dark types, roar doesn't go through.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

So it seems it's just moves that target the pokémon, nice.

 

[raikoo]

https://twitter.com/palkia/status/799110273273659392
prankster assist is blocked as well, regardless of being an attacking move or not. i'd assume the same rules apply (tr, etc wouldnt get blocked)

 

[boxofkangaroos]

Terrain Extender doesn't work on Trick Room or Magic Room or Wonder Room, does it?

 

[EnbyChu]

Considering Dark's new immunity to Prankster, are there any other type-based immunities that could be new this gen?

Is Fire immune to freezing? Dragons immune to Intimidate? Psychics immune to confusion?

(can someone please test these, I'm actually quite curious for these specific ones)

 

[UltiMario]

Considering Dark's new immunity to Prankster, are there any other type-based immunities that could be new this gen?

Is Fire immune to freezing? Dragons immune to Intimidate? Psychics immune to confusion?

(can someone please test these, I'm actually quite curious for these specific ones)

None of these.

Terrain Extender doesn't work on Trick Room or Magic Room or Wonder Room, does it?

No.


I'm trying to think of stuff that sounds feasible, like Dancer having any hidden interactions at all (hint: there are none), but god it's hard to think of stuff as absolutely out of the box as this crap we've been discovering.

 

[EnbyChu]

None of these.

I'm both relieved that those buffs aren't real and a bit sad that those buffs didn't happen.

 

[UltiMario]

Someone asked about Z-Moves in normal move slots a long time ago. It looks like they're -- Acc 1 BP moves of their respective typings. Special Z-Moves function normally in a moveslot with their real base power and effects, albeit with none of the fanfare (there isn't even text for when you use it). All normal slot Z-Moves have 1 PP (and no, PP Ups don't work). You can use as many normal slot Z-Moves as you want in a game. You cannot power up a normal slot Z-Move with a Z-Crystal (it won't recognize the move as that typing at all).

 

[WalpurgisnachtUr]

Terrain Extender doesn't work on Trick Room or Magic Room or Wonder Room, does it?

Nope. Man I wish they'd at least give the -room moves auto-starter mons, it would give some of the slower mons a new lease of life.

Right now we have so many mons sitting at the bottom of the speed ladder and S&M is just going to oversaturate this problem further

 

[UltiMario]

Of all the motherfucking things

So I was like "These changes look like they're targeted at VGC, so let me see if there were any nerfs" so I looked at meta-defining things like Trick Room (unchanged, seemingly) and Aegislash.

Unless my memory fails me, if you used a Fighting, Normal, or Poison-type contact move on Aegislash while he's King's Shielding, the ineffectiveness overrides the contact and blocks the attack drop.

This is no longer the case.

 

[DuplexBeGreat]

That makes five Abilities with misleading/incomplete descriptions, which honestly leads me to believe that there are more out there. The -Ate abilities are still under debate as to whether there multipliers have been nerfed to 1.2x, or if they stayed at 1.3x. But either way, neither of those multipliers are NOT what I'd consider a "little boost", as their descriptions say. A part of me thinks that it's worth testing every ability out in strange scenarios just to make sure no stones have been left unturned.

Five? What are the others besides Prankster and Water Bubble?

 

[the mystery duck]

Does heavy weather still not extend to non-damaging moves of the type it blocks? (ex. primordial sea does not cause will-o-wisp to fail)

 

[UltiMario]

Does heavy weather still not extend to non-damaging moves of the type it blocks? (ex. primordial sea does not cause will-o-wisp to fail)

Still doesn't.

 

[Karxrida]

Since we're checking for random BS:

• Is Cresselia immune to Dark Void?
• Are Darks immune to Dark Void?
• Are Fairies immune to Dark Void?

 

[yetanotherperson]

Receiver/Power of Alchemy does not activate on "Self" KOs

I didn't fully understand what '"Self" KO' is supposed to mean, but I can confirm that Power of Alchemy does activate if your ally KO's itself with Memento or Explosion. For example, if a Prankster Whimsicott used Memento, its partner A-Muk would get Prankster after it faints.