We're not talking about the Pokédex here, however; we're talking about text used in promotional materials to sell people on the Pokémon and hence the game. Previous promotional materials for Megas and other new game-exclusive forms have talked in relatively vague but still generally accurate terms about stat boosts.
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Sword & Shield **Official news only** DLC Crown Tundra 22nd October
- Thread starter DHR-107
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Things I’d like to know about the new gimmick, given what we know so far:
-Can you Gigantamax and Dynamax two different Pokémon during the same battle, or is the progression Base Form -> Dynamax Form -> Gigantamax Form (if applicable)?
-Do you have to Dynamax your Pokémon before Gigantamaxing it or can you go from the base form to the Gigantamax Form? If it’s the former, how long do you have to wait between forms?
-How long does Gigantamax last? Is the timer separate from the Dynamax turn limit? For example, if I Gigantamax my Pokémon on the last turn of it’s Dynamax Form, do I get an additional x number of turns in the Gigantamax Form?
-How does the HP Boost figure for Pokémon who have an absurdly high HP stat like Blissey? Is there a max HP number that a Pokémon can reach?
-How does the HP Boost figure for Shedninja, who has a hard coded HP stat of 1?
-How does Ditto Dynamax? Does it gain the ability todynamax/Gigantamax into transformed Pokémon?
-Can you Gigantamax and Dynamax two different Pokémon during the same battle, or is the progression Base Form -> Dynamax Form -> Gigantamax Form (if applicable)?
-Do you have to Dynamax your Pokémon before Gigantamaxing it or can you go from the base form to the Gigantamax Form? If it’s the former, how long do you have to wait between forms?
-How long does Gigantamax last? Is the timer separate from the Dynamax turn limit? For example, if I Gigantamax my Pokémon on the last turn of it’s Dynamax Form, do I get an additional x number of turns in the Gigantamax Form?
-How does the HP Boost figure for Pokémon who have an absurdly high HP stat like Blissey? Is there a max HP number that a Pokémon can reach?
-How does the HP Boost figure for Shedninja, who has a hard coded HP stat of 1?
-How does Ditto Dynamax? Does it gain the ability todynamax/Gigantamax into transformed Pokémon?
It's quite easily implied by the wording about Gigantomax that they follow the same mechanic, as Gigantomax is a form of Dynamaxing only available to members of certain species that are caught in Max Raids.
The footage shows a trainer directly Gigantomaxing his Pokemon as well.
https://swordshield.pokemon.com/en-gb/gameplay/gigantamax/
The key wording is
"The majority will keep their usual appearance when they Dynamax.", aka Gigantomax is a extra result of Dynamaxing specific pokemon.
If they are wise enough they'll have just excluded Shedinja's family from Galar pokedex to avoid this issue :P
I did not know this. It’s been implied that we’d have to Dynamax to get to Gigantamax in the past and I guess it just stuck.
-A better question then might be: If I have a Poke that’s able to Gigantamax, do I have to Gigantamax it or can I choose to Dynamax it? I have a feeling Gigantamaxing probably has more perks than Dynamaxing, but I can imagine scenarios where I might want to just take advantage of the HP boost and not have to use moves that have added effects like setting/removing hazards/weather/terrain.
Looking at the footage, it seems Gigantomax is "Dynamax+", aka all the effects of Dynamax still apply, on top of the Gigamax (the Gmaxed pokemon has a specific signature move on top of the Dynamax ones, for example Corviknight doesn't get "Max Flying" but gets his signature move)
Except the player is wearing this gold band, it would become impossible/hard to wear as more badges are added to it. Also it's missing a bulge that the bulge in the image has. While its a neat idea, having something physically on the trainer which the Badges attach to so we can see them on the overworld model, they way they're doing it here isn't it.The gold band is the "badge" accessory we saw in the E3 demo with Nessa.
In retrospect I think one way they could have balancing things out is by using BSTs to determine how much additional BST a Pokemon got: 399 & below is +175, between 400 & 449 is +150, 450 & 475 is +125, 476 & 599 is +100, 600 & 669 is +75, and 670 & above is +50.
Watch as it's revealed when a Pokemon Dynamax's/Gigantamax's the item they're holding is disabled until the Pokemon changes back to normal.
That was one advantage I originally thought was a major factor, since with Mega and Z-Moves you'd otherwise have to have multiple Pokemon sacrifice their item slot. But then again, considering you'd probably design a team around the Max/G-Max Moves there may not be as much freedom in competitive. You'd also have to be careful what Max Moves the Pokemon will have at its disposal, you don't want two Max Moves that'll summon Weather or Terrain thus cancel each other out. There's a lot of factors to consider.
Alternatively, we could also say a Pokemon's "Speed" is actually referencing their reaction time rather then how fast they can go. Pidgeot is a master of flight so knows how to dodge, weave, and maneuver around. Escavalier on the other hand probably first needs to build up it's speed and when it starts moving probably isn't able to turn easily.
From how I understand things:
1. If you Gigantamax that takes up your Dynamax.
2. A Pokemon can only either Gigantamax or Dynamax. Pokemon who can Gigantamax cannot Dynamax.
3. Gigantamax lasts the same 3 turns as Dynamax.
4. No reason to have a limit, which would mean Dynamaxing would be very beneficial to highly defensive Pokemon to soak up damage. Of course, would you want to waste your Dynamax on doing that?
5. It would remain with 1 HP. The HP boost is a percentage increase thus not affecting it's 1 HP.
6. If it's a Limber Ditto than Transform will turn into the Max Guard move, thus unable to do anything. Would probably be wise to wait for it to Transform first.
Of course the question is what would happen if an Imposter Ditto is sent out against a Pokemon that's already Dyanamaxed/Gigantamaxed? Either Ditto will turn to the base form or, more likely, Imposter will fail (like if it's against a Pokemon using Illusion or is behind a Substitute).
even then the mon can be a standard(ish) set before maxing, making it not useless if you don’t max
I've seen very interesting points being raised here, like what can happen if Ditto and Shedinja D-Max.
I'll raise you this though. We can safely confirm that there will be a fisherman with 6 Karps. (Even BW1 didn't dare to defy that rule)
What are the odds that GF will actually give us said fisherman with a D-Max Magikarp?
In all seriousness, the cooler thing about D-Max is that you can just wing it instead of losing in team preview.
I wonder how big of a wrench G-Max will chuck at it tho.
I'll raise you this though. We can safely confirm that there will be a fisherman with 6 Karps. (Even BW1 didn't dare to defy that rule)
What are the odds that GF will actually give us said fisherman with a D-Max Magikarp?
In all seriousness, the cooler thing about D-Max is that you can just wing it instead of losing in team preview.
I wonder how big of a wrench G-Max will chuck at it tho.
I think we can do one better. G-max Magikarp, where its status moves (read: Splash) turn into something ridiculous instead of Max Guard.
Has it been confirmed if the new Steel Move is a signature move or is going to be a move Tutor like Draco Meteor?
Nothing on that front so far.
While there's no confirmation, i'd consider the fact that Duralodon seems to have an animation specifically dedicated to it as a good sign that it's a signature move.
(Also, being a 140 BP potentially accurate move, I think it'd be far too powerful to be a tutor move)
But the recoil is high price. There's a lot of moves that are high base power and accurate that are widely distributed, like Head Smash and Draco Meteor.
You know those two aren't accurate right? :P both are 90% accuracy.
Then what counts as "accurate"? 100%?
Yes, "accurate" is only 100% (or unmissable).
The only accurate moves past 90 BP that aren't signature moves are the 120 BP phisical moves with recoil iirc (Flare Blitz, Brave Bird), and in fact, lot of 90 BP moves are also inaccurate or with severe drawbacks/conditionals.
Close Combat and Selfdestruct/Explosion too. Still physical moves with some sort of recoil, but yeah.
Then there's Earthquake at 100 with no drawbacks, Moonblast at 95, and a fair few moves at 110-120 that are 100% accurate with no drawbacks in certain field conditions.
There are many moves 100 % accurate and stronger than 90 BP (even outside of Z and signatures)
Earthquake is the best example with a wide distribution, Boomburst is the strongest without drawbacks, Sludge Wave and Moonblast are common too (although only 95 BP).
And with drawbacks, you have at least a dozen of moves, including Explosion, Self-Destruct, Solar Beam, Sky Attack, Water Spout, Eruption, Focus Punch, Close Combat, Superpower, Outrage, Petal Dance...
Adding that steel Pokémon are probably the ones switching in the most, the drawback becomes even bigger. I really don't see any precedent to hint that it would be a signature move.
Earthquake is the best example with a wide distribution, Boomburst is the strongest without drawbacks, Sludge Wave and Moonblast are common too (although only 95 BP).
And with drawbacks, you have at least a dozen of moves, including Explosion, Self-Destruct, Solar Beam, Sky Attack, Water Spout, Eruption, Focus Punch, Close Combat, Superpower, Outrage, Petal Dance...
Adding that steel Pokémon are probably the ones switching in the most, the drawback becomes even bigger. I really don't see any precedent to hint that it would be a signature move.
Fine, you make some valid points.
That said, I still think the fact it seems to have a dedicated animation and its huge similarity to another signature move (Mind Blown is basically identical but fire type) look like valid reasons for it to be a signature move, nontheless.
Unless I am really becoming blind and Duralodon was shown using the same animation for a different attack ...
That said, I still think the fact it seems to have a dedicated animation and its huge similarity to another signature move (Mind Blown is basically identical but fire type) look like valid reasons for it to be a signature move, nontheless.
Unless I am really becoming blind and Duralodon was shown using the same animation for a different attack ...
If I'm not mistaken, Duralodon does use the same attack animation for both Flash Cannon and Do-or-Die (going on all fours and opening its mouth like a cannon).
Steel Mind Blown: I don't think it would be a Signature (this feels like it'll only target one Pokemon while Mind Blown targeted all adjacent Pokemon, hence it being Signature among other things) but it probably won't be a TM/Tutor either. Sort of feels like a new Fire-type move they sneakily introduced in Gen VII called Burn Out. Super power Fire-type move with a unique effect, and due to this it's only given to a select batch of Fire-types. Imagine the same will be here, Steel Mind Blown will only be given to a handful of Steel-types, probably ones which have the Special Attack stat to make use of it (Metagross, Jirachi, Dialga, Aegislash, Celesteela, Magearna, Magnemite family, Lucario, Heatran, Genesect, Solgaleo).
I've been thinking about something yesterday. Since they specifically say that you can Gigantamax Pokémon you get from Raids, I'd say soft reset is kinda gone. Then how would things work? Well, I'd take Fire Emblem Heroes as an example. What we call IVs there is actually Nature in Pokémon. The heroes grow differently but at the top level, all heroes of the same "species" with the same IVs end up with the same final stats but in the middle, they have different ones. What if they do that? We don't have different IVs anymore, only different growth rates?